U.S. attacks Canadian pot laws

jdude3 said:
Although there is an argument that *most* of the "detrimental effects" are due more to the prohibition of the drug than the effects that it causes. Loss of job, spending too much money, getting arrested, etc. etc.
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Not in my experience, all the negatives i've encountered were caused directly by weed, not it's illegality.
I'm not trying to bash weed here, i think it should be legal, but it's a drug and CAN couse some real problems to some individuals
 
Yes, by all means let's attack the policies of the largest landmass in the world in some kind of alliance with us, who shares an enormous border with us, everyone of whom's citizen's (whether they pretend to or not) understand every word we say. Let's do that. Let's thwart the enormous growth of high-potency marijuana (***), becauce bob forbid there could ever be a safer, cleaner, freer, nation than the USA.


(***)Smoking shitty pot causes emphysema, too, folks.


Bitching about it here will not change it. Those of you too young to vote in the last pres. election will will make the next. And the old coots will be dead. Congressional elections are important, too. I am not such a kook to believe the H. Clinton will makw the dem bill in 2008 and I think we will be damned, but please realize that 2000 was a sign. We have power. Sure the Bushes are an empire. But they are ugly and dumb. Natural selection Works.

Quit bitching. Volunteer to drive to the polls, or better yet--man them. The average age of a poll worker is about 70. You DO get paid. The hours suck, but you aren't going to change the world pulling tubes over your laptop.
 
teetmanike said:
Not in my experience, all the negatives i've encountered were caused directly by weed, not it's illegality.
I'm not trying to bash weed here, i think it should be legal, but it's a drug and CAN couse some real problems to some individuals
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Are you sure it didnt have more to do with HOW you used it, WHERE you used it, HOW OFTEN you used it, WHY you used it, WHY YOU REPEATED to use it? Some people just dont want to accept responsibility for their actions.
 
androoo said:
"This is a problem. It requires joint action and we will continue to work with Canadian government on this.


i'm tired and it made me giggle :D :D :D ;)
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Dont be ashamed, It got a rise out of me too :D

Oh and I'm all for hanging Canadian flags all over the place...GO CANADA!
 
DexterMeth said:
Are you sure it didnt have more to do with HOW you used it, WHERE you used it, HOW OFTEN you used it, WHY you used it, WHY YOU REPEATED to use it? Some people just dont want to accept responsibility for their actions.
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I don't blame the weed, i know i'm the one to blame, i'm just saying that one CAN get psychologically addicted to it.
 
That's right teetmanike, you just go a head and keep trying to make a justification case for all of the prohibitionist politicians. They'll just love you for it!

It's people like you who provide the false statistics to the prohibitionists, which result in maintaining laws that place people in jail for their recreational use of things like pot.

You smoke pot because you like it. That's not an addiction. If you feel that you don't have the self control to not smoke it, it is your own lack of self control. 8)

Stop embracing policies that are putting people in jail. :\


Read my sig...

"The United States has 5 percent of the population of the world but 25 percent of the world's prisoners." - LEAP
 
Well gee... i live pretty fuckin far from the states and i probably will never be included in those statistics. And we don't have that bullshit here (it's hard for me to imagine that people are actually being put in jail for weed :( ) so... chill out man :)
 
Considering the way that US drug policy creeps from one country to another (and is underway in being addapted by the UN), I'd say that you should start looking over your shoulder.

There are some places in the US where if you are caught and convicted with a joint 3 times you get a life sentence. It is referred to as a three stricks law.
 
But it is. It's like saying video games are addictive. Its like saying spegetti is addictive. Its not. Its your own lack of self control. No one here is trying to bash you/attack you/be mean to you. Invalid user name just likes to preach the facts as they are. Im sorry if reality is a little harsh for you.
 
"The law in some provinces is that unless you actually commit a violent crime against another individual, the tendency is for you not to get serious jail time."
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Oh, so if you're selling pot, you deserve serious jail time for all the HARM you're causing?

Holy fuck...

Well, Canada doesn't exactly believe in putting like 50% of their fucking population in prison - unlike the states.

Hey! Lets put our drug users \ low end dealers in prisons! That will solve our problem!
 
IU and DexterMeth, I don't get what your beef is. I have known people addicted to pot, just like people addicted to things like video games and television. Maybe we should replace "addiction" with "compulsion to use/consume". I don't understabd the need to criticize a "weak" pothead. It just seems macho.

The big problems in Canada are selctive enforcement of current pot laws -- I blaze on very busy streets, but know that I can access resources to back me up, it'd be different if I were younger, less educated, or black or aboriginal -- and along the same lines the enforcement of trafficking and grow laws. The cops keep trying to create panics around grow ops, and the media generally plays right along. Again there's a lot of racism in the hysteria -- generally aimed at Asians and First Nations people.
 
fungus44 said:
IU and DexterMeth, I don't get what your beef is. I have known people addicted to pot, just like people addicted to things like video games and television. Maybe we should replace "addiction" with "compulsion to use/consume". I don't understabd the need to criticize a "weak" pothead. It just seems macho.
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It's not an addiction. But you are misunderstanding the exact reason why I am come down on this so hard.

The United States government is in the process of attempting to convince the public that marijuana use creates a dependency, when in fact it does not. The wording, the statistics, even the use context references. All attempting to make marijuana use appear under the same "problem" group traditionally held by heroin. Essentially taking us back to the 1930's with films like "reffer madeness."

There's nothing macho about what I am doing. I'm arguing against prohibition, and the governments involvement in regulating the private lives of it's citizens.

The reason that some people are compulsive marijuana users is NOT due to a chemical addiction. It is, as you've already said, the same as being a compulsive video game player. Associating marijuana use with substance abuse terminology isn't "cool," it just plays right into the hands of those prohibitionists who are trying to spin 'yet another lie' far out of control.
 
[passes doob]

Perhaps the challenge for anti-prohibitionists is that we need to find a language that deals with the problems faced by compulsive users of "non-addictive" drugs. Maybe start a discussion elsewhere?
 
fungus44 said:
Perhaps the challenge for anti-prohibitionists is that we need to find a language that deals with the problems faced by compulsive users of "non-addictive" drugs.
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I agree, but I honestly don't think that things will change in that respect. Some people like to use the word "addicted" as a "cool word."

Unfortunately, there's nothing cool about the US Drug War, nor the US's influence on international drug policy. As I am sure the millions lingering in prisons for victimless drug crimes could attest to.
 
"It seems that everything's gone wrong since Canada came along, BLAME CANADA" LOL South Park what good satire.
 
I'm aware this thread is old. But fuck the US in regards to its' bullying. Where I live the best weed is grown locally and not imported from afar. That most times get the generic moniker BC's and is derogatory. I hope someone really lets the control freaks in power know that Canadian pot is the least of the US' worries. Like an abusive husband who can't make ends meet at home but goes all over the neighbourhood telling everyone what they should do in their relationships. Thats what the US is. Fucking hell… and I live there too. Sigh… soon it will be time to head North. Peace.
 
Invalid Usename said:
The reason that some people are compulsive marijuana users is NOT due to a chemical addiction. It is, as you've already said, the same as being a compulsive video game player.
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Invalid Usename said:
You smoke pot because you like it. That's not an addiction. If you feel that you don't have the self control to not smoke it, it is your own lack of self control.
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I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just curious as to what a cocaine addiction is to you? Isn't this too the user's own fault for not being able to limit him/herself?

And what exactly is a "chemical addiction"?
 
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