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Typical MDMA anxiety thread but advice really appreciated!!

jon6123

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This is quite long but I would really appreciate atleast one reply, thanks

Okay, heres my background:
im 20 years old, from the UK and just finished my first year at university, I wanna mention here that my mother is schizophrenic. I have been taking MDMA occasionally for the past 5 months, never mixing with anything apart from 1 beer before hand to relax, to keep this thorough i will list my dates and doses to follow the story:

mid january - 16th of a gram, pure and trusted.
After doing a lot of research I finally took my first. amazing experience, as the first time always is, slightly anxious before but completely legitimate as first time taking, peaked 2 hours in and had a 30 second freak out, but after that completely fine and awesome, amazing night and only a gentle come down

early feb - roughly between 16th and 8th of a gram, same source as before
in a drug orientated club, had a great time, this was what I would describe as a standard roll, felt amazing, relaxing next day

*day after last roll* - roughly 8th gram, same source
Completely numbed experience compared to the rest as expected, still nice but less feely, just relaxing, again the next day was very tiring as expected

End of april - just over 16th gram, much less trusted source
Friend of a friend game had some on a night out in a club, was with my girlfriend who was drinking, felt slightly irritable but still amazing, couldn’t decide whether I wanted to dance or sit down for most of the night which was annoying, but when I got home I managed to have sex with my girlfriend in a shower which was a truely amazing experience (even without orgasm) still unsure if this was completely mdma or it was mixed with something.

Early may - over a quarter of grams over the night, same trusted source as first times, different batch
Completely intense experience comparable to first time, very slow and clean come up in waves, slight 30 second freak out at the peak, with slight memory lapses of bits of the night as if I was drinking. Slight CEV’s when I closed my eyes to sleep, very mellow come down overall felt very very clean.

For the next 2 weeks almost I felt slightly disconnected from reality, like I wasn’t directly controlling myself and there was a lag between info sent and received and I was very aware of it, I also felt a slight bit of depression mid week, but as far as I can remember that faded.the disconnection faded (to my relief)
I believe this was probably too much mdma for me and I will never take that much again.

End of may - less than 16th -same batch as before
Me and my friends decided to split the leftovers from the roll 1 month before and each had a very small amount. As soon as I bombed it I felt very anxious and worried for what seemed to be an unknown reason, maybe connected to the depression and disconnected feeling from the huge roll last month. And also because there were 4 of us and my girlfriend who sometimes feels left out when we all roll as she only drinks. For the whole night I felt anxious about her and constantly thinking and assessing if she was having a good time.

As far as I know it was from this point that I have felt a slight uneasy feeling in the bottom of my stomach, and during the next week I started to feel depressed, maybe because of this feeling. Despite the mdma there were also external factors that could have influenced the depression , for example I was struggling to find work for the summer, and leaving university to live at home for 3 months, and knowing that it was possible I would not see my girlfriend for 3 months (she lives in france) when I think of these I feel a different type of sadness to the sinking feeling.
I began to really obsess about the depression and the sinking feeling which is rather heavy now, believing it was linked to the MDMA, which is kind of why Im here, to clear things up.
I keep trying to weigh things up in my mind, constantly thinking about MDMA and how it could have affected my mind, both chemically and psychologically, this is becoming a repeating thought and causing me great discomfort to the point where I feel so down and closed off it makes me run thoughts very very quickly which isn’t very nice.

1 week later - between a sixteenth and a quarter, untrusted source
1 week later it was my birthday and I was back home, I had a party of 8 of my closest friends from home at a friends house and decided to go to a club. For the whole day I had felt down and actually slightly sick and a couple of friends had noticed, I drank a small amount before entering the club. The sinking feeling was still going strong, I was finding it hard to talk to my friends and wasn’t enjoying the night. One of my friends was looking for some mcat, which I have heard isn’t a very nice substance and isn’t as nice of a high. I then decided to get drunk, I drank 2 quad vods (you can buy them here) and 2 jagabombs rather fast, but no faster than I have in the past. I then vommed them back up again in the toilets. £10 worth of drinks gone!
My mate came back saying he couldn’t find any but found a guy with some mdma, which he’d actually never tried before. I decided that I would go for it and see if it cured my feelings as a tester and also to finish my birthday well. I thought I might be able to think my way out of it too as a type of therapy.
The md was good and felt clear, the guy didn’t seem dodgey but im aware this was a dodgey move to take, but I met someone else who was rolling pretty well who had taken some off him so I took my chances.
The feeling in my stomach disappeared as I came up and I had an amazing night, it really made my birthday and it was nice to be free of the feeling. I had a nice comedown but slightly nauseous, as I had been the whole day before.



Its now 2 days since my party and I feel slightly better, but the sinking has just come back, not as nad as before as of yet, I have small waves of depressive thoughts and they are always directly linked to thoughts about mdma but no way near as bad as before. For now obviously

My question after all of that is this: Is it time to end my MDMA experience?

my next opportunity to take mdma is early august, my plan for now is to see how things go for the next 6 weeks, and time myself to feel completely better, if I am okay by then I will take again, if I am not, then I will wait until I feel better and take the next opportunity. When I am eventually completely better I will use that as a rule of thumb to how often I should take it, if it takes 4 months then I will only take it every four months regardless of how I feel.
I might update next week as to how im feeling then, but I feel a damn sight better than I did last week.

Thanks for your time

P.S. a month ago (when I felt okay) I decided that I might try LSD at some point, I am aware that if I feel like this its definitely a bad idea but if I feel well again in the future do you think it would be a good idea? I am never worried about dreams and thoughts at all but I have a small thing about drugs and my state of mind which im sure is linked to my mum and I wonder if that would become bigger if I took acid and ruin my trip, I am very self assessing and the future of my state of mind is something I ponder over a lot, but at the same time I feel very stable.
 
Hey man, i'm also a 20 year old uni student in the UK who's just begun to dabble in substances.
Tbh mate, you say your MDMA use has been occasional but in reality its not. You probably didn't realise this but you should only be rolling once a month maximum due to the brain's inefficiency to recover serotonin, the primary neurotransmitter released by MDMA. Serotonin regulates our mood, emotion, sleep patterns etc and therefore the influx gives us the feelings of euphoria, love and social awareness. After you have taken MDMA, serotonin stores are depleted which often causes feelings of depression/anxiety. As previously mentioned, the brain is not designed to replenish serotonin rapidly with it being said that 3 months is sufficient for a full recovery but 1 month as a minimum for reducing any possible harm.

It appears you've already experienced some of the possible adverse affects of MDMA where you mention your dissociation from reality and depressive thoughts. My first time I felt somewhat spaced out the next day but it wasn't bad at all so I can only imagine what you were feeling to a lesser extent. Depressive thoughts could be from the MDMA abuse and subsequent depleted serotonin. However, it could be your personality which only you can determine. I've always had strange, depressive thoughts prior to any MDMA use. Some of the things you mention I can relate to -
I am very self assessing and the future of my state of mind is something I ponder over a lot, but at the same time I feel very stable.
I find i'm often assessing who I am, where i'm heading in life even before drugs.

While it is possible that your recent depression is linked to your gf and not MDMA, the safest thing to do is to abstain from MDMA for a good while, 3 months minimum, 6 months recommended. Time to let your brain recover from the period of abuse then use it in moderation for special occasions.

Finally, while I don't doubt you've been taking MDMA each time as the UK is full of it currently, you still should be testing the pills/crystals you get to make sure your not taking some random research chemical or whatever. Especially in the case of pills where you can't even attempt to determine whats in it by eye. Your taking a big risk consuming untested chemicals on a night out where dealers profit on intoxicated people. When you take MDMA try to avoid re-dosing too. This could also help minimize negative adverse affects.

Stay safe man <3 PM me if you want.

Related reading - http://dancesafe.org/drug-information/ecstasy-slideshow

- http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml
 
^ He's got it. What it seems to me is that you have just done MDMA a little too often. Anxiety, depression, these things are supposed to happen after that. The receptors that get most damaged(serotonin) from frequent MDMA use are the ones that fight anxiety, paranoid feelings, agression, self-doubt and apathy. Most importantly they make you feel happy.

Take a break, that's what you need. If you want to roll again in your life, you can. You NEED to take a long break first. Let your mind heal.
 
or..maybe OP is just depressed and MDMA use has nothing to do with it... i know *plenty* of people who suffer from depression and have the exact same symptoms/experiences as OP but have never taken MDMA...

and herein lies the problem... at this point the most responsible advice is "stop doing MDMA for a while and see if it gets better".. which *is* good advice... except what if OP stops doing it and still feels like crap 6 months from now? then if he posts back he will get the "looks like you may have caused downregulation in your serotonin pathways... give it another year.."... in the meantime OP could be missing out on alot of fun because of his depression when its possible it is unrelated to MDMA use at all...
 
Hey thanks for the responses!

Okay the overall verdict seems to be that its chemical rather than psychological, and while scary, this is a good thing really. I was 50:50 as to whether it was worth taking a break if I felt alright by early august but now i am definitely going to miss a few opportunities and see how i feel mid september.

Jwills and goodballs, you're right I even noticed as i was writing my post that i have taken it much more often than i thought i had, what ive realised is that exams, assignments and moving from home and to uni through easter and coming back for summer and stuff can really bend your perception of time, for example my last time before monday seems like a month ago but in actual fact it was less than 2 weeks! the difference being that ive just moved home.

thelastclubkid whilst what you say is still fair i think that to treat it as chemical is probably the best as itll keep my mind at rest, when you feel anxious and have racing thoughts the worst thing to think about is something that could never end like depression. The thought of it being something that will regrow soon is very reassuring and makes me feel 10 times better than for me to think that i have become depressed and cant seek any way out of it. This said, the last time i felt like this was one summer when i was 15, which i guess was just standard teenage depression.

Either way a detox from drugs can never hurt, anything that alters your mood is prone to paranoid thoughts afterwards when you feel like this.

This is exactly what i needed and i really really cant thank you enough for the replies, i feel like my mind is at rest and i can relax atleast until september, the feeling in my stomach is still around but knowing that it probably will disappear is stopping me from obsessing over it and im starting to forget about it, kinda broke the vicious circle in a way.

any more words and experiences would still be appreciated, and once again thanks a lot
 
Hey Jon.

If you are looking for a Detox from drugs, and also a Recovery from Mdma, i know a few things that will help you a lot. I am also on a detox from drugs apart from cannabis. Last time i took mdma and ketamine was 5th of may I believe.

I am looking to either
A.) Stop taking them altogether
B.) Enjoy an occasional use of both drugs , once every 90 - 120 days.

Enough about me anyway, what happens when you use mdma too often is that your Serotonin levels get depleted and also your Receptors get damaged. Your brain needs time to 're-wire' these receptors so that your brain goes back to functioning normally. Some of the Serotonin Re-uptake pumps also get damaged.

There are many ways to use mdma more safely, i am glad to see that you have been keeping your Doses low though.

Things that will help you with your anxiety are:

- Cut back on Caffeine intake
- Cut back on Sugar intake
- Drink camomile tea (Of a night time perhaps)
- Drink green tea (L-Theanine is in green tea, and it is naturally calming, as well as Neuroprotective)
- Eat a high tryptophan Diet, mixed with Carbohydrates and Starches, to increase efficiency of serotonin production again
- Exercise. This will encourage new cell growth and the brain to heal much quicker
- Get Sunlight. This helps you to produce more serotonin
- Avoid stress/ try and keep calm as stress is linked to lower serotonin levels. Lots of people don't realise but stress can cause quite a bit of harm to your brain/ mental health

Valerian Root is also a helpful herb to relax you.

This is the list of High Tryptophan foods and some carbohydrates as well, as it says, combine list 1 and 2. I would avoid lots of Dark Chocolate if i were you though as the caffeine may make you more agitated or worse.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/entries/...equire-lower-dose-and-lessen-have-no-comedown

I PM'ed you too btw.

I hope this helps.
 
or..maybe OP is just depressed and MDMA use has nothing to do with it... i know *plenty* of people who suffer from depression and have the exact same symptoms/experiences as OP but have never taken MDMA...

and herein lies the problem... at this point the most responsible advice is "stop doing MDMA for a while and see if it gets better".. which *is* good advice... except what if OP stops doing it and still feels like crap 6 months from now? then if he posts back he will get the "looks like you may have caused downregulation in your serotonin pathways... give it another year.."... in the meantime OP could be missing out on alot of fun because of his depression when its possible it is unrelated to MDMA use at all...

Yeah thats a very fair point but in no way will MDMA used frequently aid depression/anxiety. Depressed individuals often turn to drugs which inturn can exacerbate their depression. The drug is not soley responsible for the depression but the combination is bad. I for one have always had relatively strange, depressive thoughts depending on my mood long before drug use. Only the individual can really determine whats going on. If the OP abstains from drugs and still has problems after like half a year then seeking help is the next step.

Glad your mind is at ease, all will be swell dude :)
 
and herein lies the problem... at this point the most responsible advice is "stop doing MDMA for a while and see if it gets better".. which *is* good advice... except what if OP stops doing it and still feels like crap 6 months from now

At least then, OP has minimised any possible further depression related to mdma use, and also OP can rule out mdma use as the source of their depression.
 
^ Exactly, No one is trying to say that all the OP's problems will go away after taking a break. But you know what? maybe they will. If they don't I'm not going to say its all because the MDMA at that point but right now it seems like a very likely possibility. You say you know plenty of people who are depressed anyways. Well psychology today can say that is extremely possible that most of these people are suffering from a chemical imbalance, particularly a low count of serotonin. How could taking a drug which effects serotonin more profoundly than any other, leaving you with a considerable less amount than you had the day before, not also have a very negative roll in all this? It is best to stay away from MDMA is you already are depressed. Other than that do what sam said, and follow general rules to lower your stress and anxiety.
 
^ Exactly, No one is trying to say that all the OP's problems will go away after taking a break. But you know what? maybe they will. If they don't I'm not going to say its all because the MDMA at that point but right now it seems like a very likely possibility. You say you know plenty of people who are depressed anyways. Well psychology today can say that is extremely possible that most of these people are suffering from a chemical imbalance, particularly a low count of serotonin. How could taking a drug which effects serotonin more profoundly than any other, leaving you with a considerable less amount than you had the day before, not also have a very negative roll in all this? It is best to stay away from MDMA is you already are depressed. Other than that do what sam said, and follow general rules to lower your stress and anxiety.

very true... and keep in mind i am not in any way advocating what is basically playing neurochemical roulette...

i guess its just that my experience with seeing depression in people around me has given me some profound insight into just how difficult it can be to fix... often the time it takes is measured in *years*... for me personally i couldnt abide letting myself miss out on that much life experience/ drug use/ partying... then again i have a much different view on life than alot of people and i have always been comfortable taking more risks than most...
 
I just rolled again for the first time in months last weekend (and before when i rolled once a few months ago, i hadn't done it for 9 months) and i get dat anxiety, i take larger doses than you though, but i iz got moar experience.
IMO/IME the anxiety you cant really do anything about, the anxiety/being completely floored feeling is why i am not sure i like MDMA anymore, least not that much.
For what its worth i am depressed more than the average person i think though, and have kicked the shit out of my brain from using d-amphetamine and dabbling in methamphetamine a little bit when i can get it...
So my having anxiety might have something to do with the heavy amphetamine use...yours idk. You're not taking very high doses.
maybe MDMA isn't for you, or you just cant handle your shit.
 
Hey once again thanks for all the responses, just like to upda te on how im feeling now, ive noticed some interesting things recently:

When I smoke a cigs, I now get nicci rushes again, which make me feel dizzy and actually paranoid for a bit, its fucking weird, I also get the anxiety back again but it fades pretty quick

The depression has gone completely, along with the feeling in my stomach which only occurs when I think of mdma now, but today I was thinking about mdma and I kinda came up slightly :S I felt all rushy and my back and neck went cold and my hands sweaty, it felt nice but not the same as properly coming up, I googled it and people have had it before when it lasts like 2 minutes but this lasted for like nearly an hour, my heart was always beating fast. I wasn’t thinking anything scary or worrying I was just playing online poker but I felt all tingly, I guess it kinda felt like adrenaline, has anybody ever had that? Or any ideas as to why? Just thought people might be interested, im not worried about it just odd

thanks
 
I feel you on a lot of those things man. Ever since I've been coming down from a terrible reaction involving MDMA I sometimes get the feeling that I'm rolling. My pupils get huge and I my eyes widen and I stay staring at objects as if I were in some e daze. The hairs on my arms stand up and I get these bizarre feeling of energy pulsing through my veins. It's extremely weird and I can't really explain it. I can't tell you why it happens either :\ ... I don't really worry about it either, it's obviously associated with the MDMA use and whether its psychological or neurological I'm sure it ain't too big a deal. It's not like it can really be doing any harm, or at least that would make sense anyway

It's also the same with cigarettes for me. I was never a smoker but I would smoke them on occasion. Now when I smoke one I get extremely nervous, paranoid, and feel dizzy and lightheaded. Not lightheaded in the good way like when you first start smoking, but in the way where you see spots and feel like you're about to fall over with tunnel vision drooling on yourself. I've stopped smoking completely since then...
 
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