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Ok, whilst this isn't a complicated chemistry question, it may have a relatively complicated answer and I think the people here are best placed to answer it. Mods, move if necessary.

Why is it that the vast majority of RC's are of the hallucinogenic or hallucinogenic stimulant type? Why don't we see people bashing out analogues of barbituates, opiates, benzos and other downers? I was thinking it might be simply due to the fact that the type of person who is going to be experimnenting with chemistry is unlikely to be the same sort of person who has an interest in downers, but surely there's a massive profit incentive that would encourage them.

It just seems a bit strange that people are delving so deep in to the world of psychs and yet there is (from what I can see) almost zero activity with regard to other types of drug. Any ideas?
 
Yeah, good point. I still would have thought there would be some activity though. I mean, anyone who came up with a nicely euphoric downer could make themselves a mint, and not everyone has such an active conscience.
 
fastandbulbous said:
It might be that opiates etc kill people on a regular basis and no vendor wants that sort of thing associated with them - just think what happened with the fentanyl derivatives that ended up on the street...
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NO vendor? hah

no RC vendor could sell ANY fent derivative of anykind under their legal pretenses for long without having his/her ass kicked by interpol.

But illegally, sall good shorty. Fentanyl derivatives are common in the CIS countries, as recent as 2005, they kinda sprung up in 2000, and theres been multiple documented busts since.

They aint in North A cause no one in North A got the parts to roll that way. And the South A boys are too stupid, literally, to think outside the box of their traditional perspective of 'drug markets'.

But as ive predicted, 2007 will be the year of fentanyl derivatives in the mainstream media again. You can set your rolex to that.

Barbs are useless, no one whose capable of making barb derivatives would raise an eyebrow to the matter, such a small pointless market.

Tryptamine/phenethylamine RCs are fuckin lame, and ive lost all respect for those who pursue them, pursue money, not serotonin.


Look at it like this, the TRULY worthwhile RC's cannot be sold as 'RCs' because any governing authority would be on its ass in a heart beat.

So you end up with candy kids talking about their D-O-C to their D-M-T to sucking my D-I-C-K in their serotonin syndrome misery, no one talks about the good stuff cause no one has a hope in hell of ever seeing it, well, almost no one
 
Vendors do sell numerous synthetics that aren't psychedelics per-say, IAP, TMA, 4-FA, etc.

I guess some vendors/shady labs just choose to provide a selection based on demand.
 
um, whatcha talkin 'bout, Willis? just open up any SxxxAxxx or Txxxxs catalog and you'll find a heapful of non-hallucinogenic research pharms. they send updates of new developments in most areas which may be of interest to a given neuropsychopharmacologist...

its interesting, Sphinx, how you defer to predilection of money over some types of neurotransmitters...any specific reason as to why you dislike serotonin in particular?
 
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TMA not psychedelic? Time to read PIHKAL methinks. The others are effectively entactogens, which is a subset of the psychedelic experience anyway IMO. I'm just surprised that none of the vendors have gone down the dissociative route (DXM is way to dirty & nasty to be a dissociative IMO). Some have gone down the stimulant route and I, for one, am not going to complain about that!
 
Sphinx (Afterlife) said:
Look at it like this, the TRULY worthwhile RC's cannot be sold as 'RCs' because any governing authority would be on its ass in a heart beat...

...no one talks about the good stuff cause no one has a hope in hell of ever seeing it, well, almost no one
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Care to share your opinion on what you might consider the “good stuff?”

(Trying to ascertain if we are subscribing to all the wrong journals, you have a certain type of personal taste, or the next Shulgin has yet to publish… I am betting the middle, but am always open to surprises)

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I think it's a case of suply and demand; there are actually more depressants available from vendors, but the kind of people who want to nod, usually aren't the kind of people who go to lengths to import drugs... or even know what RCs are.
 
yep..i was wondering this very same question myself yesterday. id desperately love to get my hands on some opiate RC's. i guess that a fent deriv source would be tracked down much more quickly than a vendor selling phenethylamines.
 
illuminati boy said:
Care to share your opinion on what you might consider the “good stuff?”

(Trying to ascertain if we are subscribing to all the wrong journals, you have a certain type of personal taste, or the next Shulgin has yet to publish… I am betting the middle, but am always open to surprises)

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Its actually the latter

Anythang fentanyl is where its at.

Anythang with Serotonin activity leads to depression feelings in me at some point during its use, therefore ive created a no tolerance for serotonin augmenting, a drug to me should be nothing but pure bliss, and just bliss, nothing else, none of them psychedelic mindgames, no visuals, just bliss, a situation of such bliss you need not move an inch till it subsides, and then you seamlessly merge back to reality, without losing a second of sleep later, to awake the next morning without a bother.

Also, money is another incentive to all things great. IF that same 'slice of bliss' can generate an immense revenue for the one whom 'vendors it', whilst simultaneously costing them an absolute fuckin bust a nut in your pants cheap price in which the markup is $1 invested to every $100,000 dollars made... well then thats the candy cream coating on drug perfection.

And if that same product is so fuckin potent that the quantities needed to smuggle into ANY world market are so tiny relative to what they can be domestically cut up to that it makes for the most unstoppable chemical force mankind could ever witness, then that has to be the cherry on top that major criminal syndicates have yet to pop.

Its a triple threat muthafucka. The second it becomes 'syndicated' the war on drugs is absolutely fucked, well at least the war on opiate drugs, and the war on terror will just be beginning, because dont forget it all doubles as chemical weapons of mass destruction, and even if it dont end up in the hands of terrorists, the cartels would most definetly use it as a weapon against rivals and police, rigging jungle labs with fentanyl gas boobie traps, then walkin in and bustin caps in the back of some dumb junglas heads who just comatosed raiding the place and burning their bodies so as not to reveal what happened.
 
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Well thank you for the clarification Sphinx.

I have always been curious as to how the world will react to implanted nanotechnologies in the human central nervous system. What will the world do when you can ‘turn up’ your own dopamine or rewire your brain with a thought… assuming homo sapiens make it through the next 50 years with out blowing themselves back to the stone ages we might well find out.

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Sphunx... er i mean sphinx:

Thats all great if you want to get people addicted to a drug which can rob them of their posession, families and possibly even life.

Money is not at the very top of everyones agenda (i'll admit its quite high up mine though).
 
illuminati boy said:
I have always been curious as to how the world will react to implanted nanotechnologies in the human central nervous system. What will the world do when you can ‘turn up’ your own dopamine or rewire your brain with a thought… assuming homo sapiens make it through the next 50 years with out blowing themselves back to the stone ages we might well find out.
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no need to wait that long, matey, some of us are working and making inroads on this very topic! hoping to have fairly astounding and acknowledged results soon, perhaps within this decade.

nano-bio convergence all the way, think small and dont forget the FIELDS FIELDS FIELDS
 
Can't say I care too much about making myself totally unproductive and immobile. I got a free bottle of hydrocodone sitting here gathering dust and I didn't even sample it when I had the laceration that I got it for (I have a high pain threshold). Nor do most citizens, as anyone can walk down to the ghetto and grab some bags. You can make a zillion times more potent fentanyl derivatives, but the fact of the matter is a kilo of opium costs but $100 in afghanistan, and there's no shortage of farmers waiting to grow you some.

Not to mention death by respiratory depression.
 
Market saturation, I think. People who enjoy herion/coke/meth/whatever have little problem finding them. They are probably reluctant to spend money on an unknown drug. Pharms you can get from a Dr., or on the net. Plus there is no Pihkal/Tihkal of experimental opiates
 
I'm just waiting for MGS to comment on the thread title and the OP ;)

Also, I am sickened by how people are getting erections over superpotent fentanyl analogues. It is not that exciting, seeing how short they last. I think people better start making more long-lasting opioids, even if they are 500mg/dose.
 
^ Yes. If you aren't making the super-potent fentanyl analogues then shut-the-fuck-up. You don't have any, you can't get any, and you don't matter. No one cares about you, and fentanyl isn't real. There, I said it.
 
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