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tying together the experience of exercise highs to drugs and feelings about life

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ehh... almost posted this to the neuroscience section of BL, but i don't really know about science. i was thinking maybe people wanted to find scientific reasons why i feel the way i do, but i know this thread is going to be a turn off to read for some on BL and there is no science behind my experience. these are the objective sensations that i get on drugs compared to exercise though, and i think people could benifit from realizing doing body scans and comparing drugs like this is helpful if you don't already... this really has nothing to do with harm reduction unless i want to get a bit silly with how doing body scans after and during exercise can be compared to the feelings of different drugs can get you to realize drugs are unhealthy, which isn't really even what i'm getting... this thread could actually be a trigger for people to give up on exercise and just abuse. i just want to talk about cross over feelings of things you can do sober v.s. being on drugs. that as far as harm reduction being a part of the guide lines of posting in this forum, i think realizing how your body feels could be helpful in harm reduction.... that it seems like it would be positive to say "realize what is making your body function better so you can experience more life." hell though, some ya'll like YOLO.. i don't know what's right. i just want to talk about my sensations and see if anybody else feels the same or i want to find out what others feel if they feel different.


i'll start by talking about my description of shrooms and how i always testify they are healthy feeling ime... as a forty year old, i didn't really exercise other than slow paced walking very often since i was like 16 and took heavy paced martial arts. i walked around a ton and skateboarded occasionally in my early years of drug use, but that was all at a slow pace. most of my experience with exercise is martial arts and jogging which i didn't habitually do since i was a teen.... i did a lot of shrooms from the ages of 18 until my thirties. i did a lot of lsd and analogues in my thirties. i don't do any psychedelics anymore, unless you want to consider pot a psychedelic. i'd like to describe the body sensations on these drugs compared to exercise.

i always felt like shrooms were cleansing. usually i would shit around the peak and that would leave me with a refreshed feeling, but i know from LSD making me shit waaaay more during the peak that shrooms have other feelings of physical well being which i found out now may be similar to exercise that aren't just from relieving one's self. i never really until recently thought to describe the feeling of shrooms as being similar to exercise. i don't really think it is 100%, but i think some of my feeling like shrooms being healthy feeling is because there is some type of energy peaking on mushrooms that is similar to post-exercise. the shrooms feel heavier sensation than exercise. i described feeling like i was melting with shrooms. exercise doesn't really have that, but there is a feeling i get post exercise that i got as a kid before using drugs that is definitely similar to shrooms... i've described liking the stimulation of LSD analogues much more than shrooms and being turned off by shrooms after getting into them.

i'll describe my body's sensations during shrooms v.s. l.s.d. analogues.... i feel like eth-lad is the most stimulating and best lsd analogue... i'm not 100% sure my experience with what i thought was real lsd25 is legit. could've been something else, but i do know all my experience with analogues is legit stuff.. i probably did have real LSD25. i've had different sensations during my what i believe were LSD25 trips from different sources. i don't know if it's because of different doses. i have more experience with analogues, and only scored what was supposed to be LSD25 on a few different occasions. if i was in fact using LSD25, i do believe there is cleaner v.s. dirtier acid. big debate... i even hear people saying that all of the analogues are going to be the same feeling.. i don't really buy it. i've done so many analogues and always have the same feelings which are different on the different ones. that if i'm not getting real physical sensations from the neuroscience involved with the drug's composition that i have a hella active imagination for placebo.

eth-lad is supposed to be stronger per UG than LSD25 and i usually would dose the same amount of tabs doing 1p, ald-52, and eth-lad, but i do have experience dosing smaller doses of ETH-LAD and i feel like it ALWAYS is the most stimulating. there is a particular subtly tingly sensation through out the body that is related to being on stimulants, but i never really felt the tingles of eth-lad on coke or high dose adderall.. eth-lad feels strong energy though like a stimulant more so than any of the other analogues. i've had stimulating LSD but it's not really tingly. i don't think lsd or analogues really feels healthy in a way like i've exercised like i do with shrooms. ald-52 and al-lad is probably the least stimulating of the analogues in a way that neither of them feel tingly. this really has nothing to do with exercise. idk. 1p-lsd is kind of in the middle of ald-52, shrooms (With out the feeling of exercising. 1p-lsd just vaguely has A TINY BIT of a shroom feel that LSD25 or none of the other analogues feel), lsd... YOU KNOW, i REALLY FEEL LIKE SOME ONE OUT THERE IS GOING TO THINK THESE DESCRIPTIONS ARE BULL SHIT, BUT THEY ARE SO STRONG TO ME, I'M JUST DOING THIS THREAD. I DON'T CARE. i always have BL staff tell me i'm posting in the wrong place... drug discussion dog. if you want to say that you feel like your body honestly metabolizes and has the same sensations for all the different ones because they are metabolized the same or whatever the science is, THAT'S FINE, but i think they are gonna find some day that there is something about what's in the drugs or some bizarre thing where different people's can notice certain stuff that is very apparent between the drugs.



LSD and mushrooms both make my spine feel stronger with having spinal arthritis and the pain is also HEAVILY masked even for days after the experiences. i think all of them might even be subtly healthy and aligning the body. maybe this is only for people that breath a certain way under the influence of the drug. there is something about shrooms though that i have to say feels like post-exercise again with the exception of the melting sensation.. after not really doing much exercise since i was a teen at forty, i will give you my experience with starting to ease back into exercise for the past 2 years.

i've been walkiing between 2 and 12 miles a day for the past years. on average four miles... i'm at the point where it's casual for me to go like 4 miles while doing tai-chi while jogging i about 2 hous. i rap to keep good breathing patterns. it's pretty graceful. i think what i'm doing is probably healthier than if i were to just tough it out and jog like a regular person. i go the same MPH as a jogger for some of the experience and stop and do cool downs with tai chi pretty frequently, so the cool downs where i'm stopped doing tai chi adds more hours to the distance of the walk. 2MPH doesn't seem like a fast speed, but i'm doing some intense exercise.

when i' done, i have to say i feel EXACTLY LIKE I USED TO FEEL EXERCISING AS A KID!!!!!! it's funny, i used to feel pretty good about exercising as a kid. that "Runner's High". i didn't really think it felt bad. i registered it as a good feeling, but after trying drugs i have to say that getting high on drugs is a better feeling A LOT OF THE TIME. like i said shrooms are more like exercise than the LSD stuff, and i don't like the shrooms... idk, i sleep less with the exercise and exercise will cause people to get LESS SENSATIONS DURING ASMR EXPERIENCES. i get heavy experiences with ASMR especially when not excersising.

2 winters ago, i went the whole winter with out exercising eating shit and laying down 15 hours a day either sleeping or listening to ASMR. i lost 25 pounds eating, a good amount of muscle was lost in my legs visibly. i was having VERY STRONG and VERY INTENSE experiences with ASMR. this unhealthy life style was better sensations physically than any of my experiences with drugs. i would get high on pot and listen to ASMR and get to the point where i was breathing so intensely that i was having heavy tripped out psychedelic ego loss experiences. it was fucking amazing. i didn't really feel bad at all. i really doubt this was healthy at all, TBH.

i started exercising cause the lack of weight on my legs bothered me. after starting to exercising i'm getting a great deal more tone. i sleep like 5-12 hours a night, usually like 8, never more than 12. sometimes i need to just catch up on sleep. i probably average 8 hours a sleep a night, and i feel like i have energy. when doing the ASMR, eating shit and not exercising, i had NO ENERGY. it felt good. i wasn't doing any drugs that involved crashing, so i think this led me to be in a state where i could experience a lot of ASMR... after exercising more, i feel like energy seems like stress to me. i don't really like it. i don't really like exercise. i don't really like shrooms. LOL


i feel like maybe this should be switched to the dark side at this point in the thread, but i'd like to hear if anybody wants to talk about how they feel physically on different drugs... i have to say despite the fact i can eat whatever i want when i exercise cause my body is healthy. i don't really like exercising. i don't really like being up more hours in the day... i get some really intense euphoria and feel great about my consciousness when exercising, but idk, it's kind of hard to deal with. right after i get done excersing i have to break down and do some yoga. because of my back problem, i can't do many stretches so my go to and mostly only stretch is trunk rotations. i can get into perfect breathing and stop the shroomy runner's high feeling that i used to translate to well being as a kid. i fucking hate it dude. that that is making me live longer... i want to live longer cause i love my consciousness, but the sensations of being alive are fucking pretty miserable at times.




i'll finish this off by saying that i don't really believe that everyone's brain chemistry is the same... that i have experience being drugged against my will with risperdal and i have to say easing into risperdal can be like nodding on opiates. that after being on risperdal for a while, there's not nodding, but it's pretty relaxing. i almost want to go on risperdal, but i get off on jerking off before bed. like i go through so much pain just to jerk off... idk. risperdal is supposed to deplete dopamine and opiates release and raise dopamine. that i just get tired on both of them. i definitely have experience with prescription opiates too. i'm not getting like fake drugs or anything....


SO I DON'T KNOW... i'd just like to hear how people's body's feel about different drugs... do you like exercise? i don't want to make anyone realize that they don't like exercise. i don't want to hurt people, but i want to let the internet know my experience... i feel like the internet is great because subjective experiences are repeated with different people... maybe i'm a very small minority with the sensations i'm getting, but it's really how i feel. i don't know if being schizophrenic is causing me to have a different experience with opiates than other schizophrenic. i believe i am hypersensitive as well...

with how i used to feel content exercising before trying drugs (i don't think it's the life for me), but i feel like some people would rather just live a life of going through the motions exercising and eating delicious food. that after trying drugs, i can't get over how amazing i can particularly feel.... just getting to eat some good shit a couple times a day, i really have to realize should be reason to live, but it's hard. i used to feel anxiety as a kid a lot too and exercise would help.... how i felt a couple winters ago, just getting baked and sleeping all day listening to ASMR, i was SO FUCKING HIGH AND AT PEACE.. like losing weight and realizing i have no muscle in my legs, like that fucks with my head. i don't really want to die, but i want to feel good. fucking paradox life shit god set up brain chemistry to get tested by god. lol HELL PUT THIS THREAD IN THE SPIRITUALITY SECTION AND GIVE ME SOME SOULFUL ADVICE IF YOU WANT... heh.
 
any one like just take psychedelics and do exercise and enjoy themselves,

like even as far as doesn't have the oral fixation of weed,

just expand their mind with psychedelics and keep up on keeping their body as strong as possible????



i'd like to quit weed, but how good i felt during my lazy ASMR winter... the fact that it this point it's how i get HPPD which i like... i just like to be fucked up all the time... weed is not really what's causing me anxiety. if i didn't exercise. i'd probably feel better. i'm pretty sure with how i felt during that ASMR winter... Like i've been thinking about cutting out eating much sugar and not eating fatty stuff and just eating the diet of a sedentary person with weed, but idk... i'll just deal with some pain to eat some good shit...


BL HELP YOU COPE WITH DRUGS, EAT THAT HEALTHY LIFE STYLE GOOD EATS SHIT!!!
 
yeah. it's funny i have a post about water having to do with harm reduction and another poster said that same thing that water has nothing to do with harm reduction

then a couple months later people were like "YEAH DUDE WATER!!!" in another thread.. it was funny shit. the person specifically was like "water has to do with harm reduction." lol

idk, just scan your body how you feel


that reduce harm by scanning your body and overcoming and using your mind....


harm reduction someone could come to this site that has yet to use drugs, think about my experience, and decide "maybe drugs aren't for me. i don't even want to know.."

bunjai
 
well we can either appreciate drug use or depreciate it here, its upto us
yeah harm reduction sites are hard to have cause a lot of people glorify drugs even when they aren't the healthiest thing.


by saying i'm noticing the feelings that exercise isn't as good as drugs, it could trigger someone to realize the same thing, but whatever...


really someone that hasn't tried drugs could come to this site, read this and decide not to try drugs which would be serious harm reduction.... good for them... for some drugs is like the phrase "play with fire your gonna get burnt." some don't really ever have any reasons to really do drugs, whch is a pretty controversial opinion on this site....




i totally see how this has to do with harm reduction, but this is kind of dumb as hell.... just move this to a part of the site that has to do with how people feel on different drugs compared to exercise if you are a mod... i'm honestly interested in different people's experiences, just anecdotes... LIKE SOMEONE COULD BE LIKE "I totally don't get how you think opiates and anti-psychotics have a similar vibe." i love to hear different people's experience.... but if you really get down in this thread, just thinking about how you feel is harm reduction, or if you don't have will, it could cause you harm... this site can potentially trigger negativity in so many ways.


totally off subject, but the ability to say "good for you" is a serious form of prayer... BRAH HAVING TO RESPOND TO THIS PERSON JUST BOTHERED ME. i guess i set myself up for saying "this might not be harm reduction" for that user to say that "you are right. it's not harm reduction."

idk some stuff just bugs me out..


ANYBODY FEEL LIKE METH OR STIMULANTS HAVE AN ADDRENALINE EDGE LIKE EXERCISE!!!?!?!? i've heard that before.. i don't feel that way at all.. stimulants and exercise aren't similar at all... HIT ME UP WITH THEM SUBJECTIVE DRUG EXPERIENCES DOG

maybe since this is a subjective experience move this to "trip reports." i thought that was about psychedelics but people post a lot of shit to trip reports..> GONNA HIT ME WITH EXERCISE iSn'T a dRuG though so it's not a trip report... bro comparing the trip of exercise to drugs.. you can ove it there. this fits this site.
 
you forgot the rule of thumb is to follow ur heart,
hmm... okay.. i think my post was because i thought you were trying to send me negativity.

the part about "saying good for you is a strong form" of prayer was kind of cause i thought you were trying to send me negativity.... sorry if you were just commenting... My B maybe. went off on a frustrated tangent.
 
that this could be posted to spirituality,

but i just posted it to "basic drug discusssion" cause i don't get how talking about sensations of drugs isn't "basic drug discussion" despite the fact it's not a specific way of reducing harm... i thought to put in the post things like alluding that i may have been better off before trying drugs and not realizing there are way better feelings than exercising.

i thought just describing drugs as a way to cope could be something going on in the thread for people to think about and that could help someone reduce harm.


that just giving subjective experiences for newbs to read on the internet can be a way to get someone to know how they themselves could possibly respond to drugs... realizing how people get addicted to different drugs could change someone in a way that is harm reduction...



REALLY THOUGH,
there is a bit of negativity spawned in my mind from this thread and it could just go to the spirituality section.


that saying just getting to get to think about food, and getting to enjoy yourself eating i wanted to imply was harm reduction. getting into a grateful state of mind. that describing that i am exercising cause i know that i will live longer is probably reducing harm. that this is in fact positive if you can do that.

but to get deep, bizarre and what some will definitely consider negative, that is living longer reducing harm? that put this in spirituality maybe???? HONESTLY WAS JUST KIND OF LOOKING FOR PEOPLE'S FEELINGS ON HOW AN EXERCISE HIGH COMPARES TO DRUG THEY TRIED. TOTALLY WAS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. DON'T GET WHY I JUST DIDN'T GET A RESPONE FROM THE OTHER ABOVE POSTER CURRENTLY IN THIS THREAD, but this subject kind of got me going crazy... feel free not to dwell on this and keep this thread where it is or on a part of the site where people can just talk subjective experiences, BUT TO GET INTO SPIRITUALITY!?!?!?!? OMG


like, "harm" could be living in pain. like it's a bit painful for me to exercise. i don't really feel good. i don't like being awake longer despite the fact sleeping too much is bringing me closer to dying younger. if i didn't have the hope of my consciousness being righteous and wanting to keep that on earth as long as possible, then i might be prone to just give up and go with the shutting down that i was experiencing the winter when i started sleeping more, eating like shit, and getting so euphoric from ASMR. that really being unhealthy promoted really wonderful feelings, just like people can be addicted to negative drugs and feel good... .... that is life meant to live as long as possible even if you aren't feeling good, or should you just YOLO and do what feels good????

idk, i found out recently the ozone layer started healing in 2016 i see a lot of hope that the planet is going to go on and thrive... there really is enough room to have a lot of people... like if the ozone layer weren't healing and me eating meat was contributing to the ozone depletion through methane gas, i'd probably just listen to ASMR and eat shit and feel good... that i want to live.... that staying healthy doesn't feel good to me like many people claim.


that i talk a lot about how pride from making "objectively in tune" music by ear brings me a lot of pride which helps me live. that i make it sound like i know more in a lot of threads if you keep up with me on BL. i've talked about how i had spiritual experiences with people that i believe have bad taste. i like to talk about how having good taste brings me to a higher level, but i've had people that enjoy types of art and music which i think is BAD, and these people are intensely spiritual people that i have had faith experiences with. they are a piece of humanity.

i have the over view of the 711 parking lot near my house and there is this kid that obviously gets money from the government cause i see he lives in the disabled housing.. i always see him smoking cigarettes and inhaling deep.. i have serious nerve damage where if i inhale a cigarette i'm gonna be in physical pain... idk, i never really liked that this kid was on disability and can handle smoking.. smoking causes anxiety. that if you can smoke and deal with the anxiety, you could probably deal with it and handle work imo... .. ........ ...... i was walking down the street rapping though and i saw this kid smirk at me.. i think i generally made him happy. i didn't really like him till how he responded to me smirking cause i was getting down rapping.

so off the subject of trying to get people's subjective experiences comparing drugs and exercise. i just want to post a spiritual message that i think that everyone has a reason to live because we are all just living on earth feeding off each others emotions and getting reactions from one another.. you should try to live and mean something to humanity or just having fun will create good flow on earth. there is a lot of new science so we can have a ton of people on earth. there really isn't a pollution crisis like people thought... that every one is just feeding off energy and if we all go with the flow and try to enjoy one another, it's a pretty cool place... you can see a lot of different stuff in people....


ANYWAYS, NOT REALLY WHERE I WANTED TO GO WITH THIS THREAD> SORRY
 
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