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Why? Because. Why anything? Because everything.
So, I'm sure this isn't unique to me, and may already have been covered. But I used the search function and there was nothing.

Anyway, I find that when I am with a loved one on a large dose of acid (may work on other drugs, but this is the only times it has happened to me) I sometimes get the feeling that I am losing track of if we are two separate people. This first happened during sex, where I totally lost all sense of who I was and could feel her feelings as my own. In fact, the words mine and hers didn't apply. I asked he about it and she agreed that she had had the same experience, and could also see my aura (but I digress). More recently I have found that even cuddling can bring this on a bit, although not in quite such an intense way.

So my questions and invitations for comments are thus: similar experiences?, do you think you both have to have the same experience for this to happen or can one feel it and the other not, what circumstances bring such experiences on (I would guess that love, same wavelength, good place, and lots of psychedelics), and do you think there is any spiritual meaning to this?

Peace and love my fellow earthlings ;)
 
i do believe that is the feeling of ego loss, or losing your individuality. It's happened to me plenty of times, the best were on dxm though, i'd feel that everything was one, one consciousness. The idea that it was two becoming one rather than everything becoming one was likely due to the fact that two people were present.

On other psychedelics that specific experience is often brought on by sexual intercourse. It seems symbolic of the two becoming one idea as you are connected physically and emotionally with another person. There's no specific way to get to these places other than sex and high doses IMO. Dissociatives seem to cause this more often for me, but LSD has as well along with plenty of other psychs.

i do think there is spiritual meaning to it, that we are all part of one thing, cosmic consciousness. We as individuals are just pieces of the whole. Of course this could be bullshit but it's strange that many other psychedelic users (Bill Hicks said it quite well, search on youtube) come to this same conclusion not to mention other religions holding similar beliefs.
 
Ah you want to discuss the phenomenon in general here while the music part is covered in another thread? My original suggestion then, okay wonderful.
 
it completely depends on who you are with and what you are doing while high in order to get this effect again.
one day my friend was bein my trip sitter while i tried somethin he told me about...somthin about robitussin gettin you screwed up.
Well, this was my first time and he suggested 1 bottle being enough...but me, like a dumbfuck, did 3 bottles. he said i was talking all kinds of crap about how the earth, moon, sun, and everyone on earth as well as the lake were all one being (we were out at his place on the lake).


sorry, forgot to add this part:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=18833

Read this. this is what i was originally aiming for when he told me about the robitussin trip. its a very intriguing website
 
Its funny to read people saying disassociatives kill ego more than psychedelics, I just feel like I can't do anything on ket, mxe, diphenhydr, etc. They make me feel like everything is 0, which in a way is 1 too, I suppose. After dosing on most disassociatives I feel like the only thing I can do is sit there and try to zone out. I do the same thing with lsd, say, but I feel a lot happier because of the body high. I feel the connection between everything more on psychedelics, and the euphoria really boosts me up to being really happy about this identity and new found resoluteness, something or other.

I've personally never "shared" trips with anyone, but i've only tripped with other people a couple times. I hear about it a lot though and being a druggy person people ask me about it. I agree, the two (or all) becoming one makes sense, identity is all in our head, and love and union really can make 1 organism out of any number of living things.
 
RobotRipping said:
i do believe that is the feeling of ego loss, or losing your individuality. It's happened to me plenty of times, the best were on dxm though, i'd feel that everything was one, one consciousness. The idea that it was two becoming one rather than everything becoming one was likely due to the fact that two people were present.
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I agree, definitely what I feel as well. I find it very scary losing my ego on my own on lsd, and has lead to a total serious bad trip in the past. Perhaps that is why it comes to me with other people. On the other hand on dissasociatives I am fine with it and it is interesting, although I ultimately find myself coming back without being about to really make much sense of the experience apart from that I lost myself.

RobotRipping said:
i do think there is spiritual meaning to it, that we are all part of one thing, cosmic consciousness. We as individuals are just pieces of the whole. Of course this could be bullshit but it's strange that many other psychedelic users (Bill Hicks said it quite well, search on youtube) come to this same conclusion not to mention other religions holding similar beliefs.
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Yeah, I agree. I am very much of a panpsychicism point of view. With a bit of Buddhism thrown in for good measure. But again, it may all be bullshit.
 
Wow, cool thread. Excellent questions. I also wonder -- is the blurring of human boundaries a result of an actual synchronization of your thoughts and feelings? Or can the other person be thinking something totally different?

I've never experienced this, but I hope to someday. The closest I got, was melding with a sort of "imaginary" person, on DPT.
 
It's cool to see other people have similar experiences. I have become one with other people on a few instances. One was a result of 2c-b, nitrous, and hand holding. One more on mushroms. The last on 25i-NBOMe. It takes a very comfortable environment to be tripping in, and someone you can really let go and be yourself around.

Whenever it happens, it can be an extremely powerful bonding experience between the 2 people. Sort of experiencing 'the other' together. Really makes you feel like you've been there and back with each other. I believe space is an illusion and everything is pure energy.
 
cryptix420 said:
I believe space is an illusion and everything is pure energy.
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Totally. Space is a vibration that our eyes happen to be able to perceive in the way that they do - sight. But in the end that vibration is nothing but energy.
 
No, there was no sarcasm :)

And yes excellent topic for a thread. Unfortunately I have not shared a psychedelic with a truly loved partner yet in these years, but trust someday I will. I've had one of the best DMT trips ever with my girlfriend (at the time) close by watching me with big eyes but she was not a tripper. And in fact I think she is not a sort of person who should. But wild enough at heart by herself, maybe it's ok. Anyway her presence was pleasant and I remember almost breaking through sitting calmly in lotus position, I was proud of that kind of stability. I remember majestic gears of golden fire turning in cosmic clockworm for one thing.
On MDMA, I've felt closeness with flings that was amazing. And yes a few times with brief relationships I remember tripping. It was like forgetting yourself in the beauty of the other. Though like I said: true love and both tripping - not yet. Not yet two people becoming one.
I've been at parties, does 300 people becoming 134 count?
 
Yes I have definitely felt this kind of connection while under the influence of psychedelics, particularly with my current partner who I already have a very strong connection with. It is like we can communicate wordlessly and can feel what each other feels. I haven't had sex on psychs in a long time, but I do recall having an experience similar to what you describe where it was almost like I couldn't tell where my body ended and their's began. My theory is that psychs heighten all your senses, including intuition and empathy. Perhaps it heightens some hidden ability we have to communicate through energy or thoughts, and it breaks down the barriers that make us feel separate from other people. Psychs also make me feel much more connected with nature and the universe, like I feel like we are all part of the same energy. Once recently I even had the feeling of being everything, I think I even thought to myself "I am everything". I have also had shared visions with a number of people.
 
A long time ago, my girlfriend and I took some acid together one afternoon. Our egos were sufficiently battered such that they expanded, and I would consider myself to have identified with all reality - total ego loss - and she experienced the same thing, so it was more than "two people becoming one", it was two people becoming everything.
Then, a few hours later, our egos returned to our bodies.
It was a tangible feeling of smallness and limitation.
I could feel (and "see") my ego return, and hers as well. They both returned simultaneously.
I asked her, to make sure "Did you just feel that?"
But she had, of course.
What a wonderful chemical <3


(Edit: this is not exactly about two people becoming one, but I felt that it was close enough, and relevant to the topics in this thread. )
 
i have bonded and become closest to my gf the first time we took acid together. But on other occassions on shrooms or 2c-i i feel we lose some kind of closeness almost and awkward feeling between us, maybe its just me.
 
I have experienced this on multiple occasions, with my first trip buddy and with my wife. It feels almost like I imagine telepathy would be like, where you don't need words to communicate. The difference is that you don't feel like you're communicating with someone else, or like you're communicating at all, because the two of you are one. Like Gong says: You are I and I am you
 
I've also had an experience like this on acid. No sex was involved, but there was kissing, holding, etc. I think it makes perfect sense that the standard boundary-dissolving aspect of psychedelics can lead to this sort of experience when strong emotions for and a physical connection to another person is present.

As for the "spiritual" component, I think this is a misguided question. Experiences like this are certainly spiritual in that they match the standard definition of spirituality, but if you think about what the word means, you'll understand that there's nothing special about it or the class of experiences that it's typically associated with.
 
soluna said:
Gong?
John Lennon!
It's bullshit though, obviously- unless you're a religious believer or something; then believe away!
I believe I can fly, I believe I can touch the sky.....
'Cause I worked it out in my head; using words and drugs and religion!
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I don't know if and when John Lennon said those words, but my point was that Gong used them to express these exact feelings we're discussing right here.

And the question whether these experiences are real cannot be dismissed as simply as calling them bullshit. We're discussing them because people do get these feelings. Like many aspects of tripping, they could be beyond our current understanding of reality, or just a different way of viewing the world. Wether true or not, you can usually take something of value out of them. I agree that you have to be careful to blindly accept them as true, but when you dismiss them as bullshit so easily you don't do justice to the psychedelic experience IMO.
 
soluna said:
I call it bullshit because our brains can perceive a waking state and a dream state. The dream state cannot be talked about using (logical) language because language and logic doesn't exist there (dreaming is illogical to a logical mind, so it is ignored). So when people take psychedelics they have 'logical' notions of their waking state, but they are also experiencing the dream state (or dream/awake, rather) where language and logic are not strictly defined and are changeable. So I call it bullshit because it forgets literall half of the life that we can experience, preferring to seek answers in myth and religion and language based (logical) one directional philosophies and science that ignores any reality to psychedelics or dreams at all - preferring 'psychosis' as a label. Understanding reality starts with understanding what our experience of life is, not dismissing half as irrelevant and meaningless.

I have every respect for the psychedelic experience, don't get me wrong, I just have little respect for binary thinking and science that knows the laws of nature, that's all. Science has no more to say than 'serotonin receptors' and 'hallucinations'. Big deal. People go into the psychedelic experience with reverence and awe as a pilgrim into sacred space - the space is your mind, all of your mind. But not many people take their experiences very seriously, and prefer a schizophrenic state of mind with the logical belief in god, and/or being god, and/or being the universe. Which I find strange, honestly.
(I am the walrus, john lennon, by the way - never heard of Gong to be honest).
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Imo one of the most fundamental values of the psychedelic experience is the oportunity to experience first hand how subjective your own experience of reality actually is. This opens the mind to question anything you encounter in life, wether it's religious dogma or our present day western view of things. Your view about tripping and the connection to dreaming is an assumption as well (and it might even be true). The point is, there's no way to be absolutely sure either way. What's really interesting though, is philosophising (is that a word?) about different ways to view reality and their respective value. It can help you understand people who have radically different views from yours, or help you deal with issues in your life that your own view doesn't allow you.

I agree that a lot of people cling to their own view of reality, and in the psychedelic community there's definitely some dogma. But this thread is interesting imo because people do experience these feelings of becoming one with someone else. It had an impact on my life to experience this and it made me think about the relationships I have with people.
 
@apple core I totally wonder if it's legit happening or not too it's weird often the person ur with is having the same trip and I'm like are they seeing feeling all this too? Are we really on the same wavelength right now?
 
First, thanks everyone for the interesting replies. For a start it's good to know that people have similar experiences on a number of drugs.
Solipsis said:
Though like I said: true love and both tripping - not yet. Not yet two people becoming one.
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Interestingly a few people are pointing out experiences with friends of a similar nature. So I suppose it's more to do with trust and openness than love. That's just the only times I have felt completely comfortable with someone.

slimvictor said:
A long time ago, my girlfriend and I took some acid together one afternoon. Our egos were sufficiently battered such that they expanded, and I would consider myself to have identified with all reality - total ego loss - and she experienced the same thing, so it was more than "two people becoming one", it was two people becoming everything.
Then, a few hours later, our egos returned to our bodies.
It was a tangible feeling of smallness and limitation.
I could feel (and "see") my ego return, and hers as well. They both returned simultaneously.
I asked her, to make sure "Did you just feel that?"
But she had, of course.
What a wonderful chemical <3


(Edit: this is not exactly about two people becoming one, but I felt that it was close enough, and relevant to the topics in this thread. )
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As robot tripping pointed out, I think this is an ego loss of sorts but I have never had proper sustained full on ego death (of the type some like you report). I suppose I'm a bit scared of totally letting go, but with someone I trust it is easier. However, taking enough mushrooms/lsd to take me to that place is definatly something I intend to do at some point.
 
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