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Two friends ODd on Fent in front of me last night (no casualties) - it made me realise my use is fucked

alarminglynefarious

alarminglynefarious

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THIS IS WHY FENTANYL IS A STUPID DRUG TO ABUSE; HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW SMALL THE DOSING RANGE IS.

I had no idea that my opiate tolerance was so different than that of others til last night. I should have done the first bump.

This was some left over Fentanyl just some crumbs not weighed or measured yes completely stupid but there was narcan on deck and everyone in that room - all three of us were hell bent on getting our nod on. I know all about volumetric dosing i generally would be giving that advice and try to follow it. You don't need to drop it here because yes railing crumbs of Fentanyl is stupid, yes there are a a thousand things that can go wrong, but that's what happened, and i think a lot of those here on a pinch would eyeball - at least those with a tolerance and experience managing opioid ODs without panicking and running around like a chicken with its head cut off. This was all still stupid. It was hubris and it could have gone much worse.

Female friend lets call her Lamb went first - it was her apartment, her leftover crumbs, her treat hell even her Narcan, in retrospect i should have made her let me go first because we do have that level of trust and friendship she'd know it wasn't greed but in the moment i was on choch and just wanted her to be happy... Lamb does her bump and sits back, i do my share and start waiting for the come up and finally my boy Jose does the same. It's as Jose starts doing his bump i see that Lambs not just nodding her lips are turning blue... I yelled for Jose to get Lamb in the right position just in case she puked (im a weak guy and Lamb's a thick girl - especially as dead weight.) I hit her with the intranasal from one kit and load a syringe with naloxone praying that we don't have to go that far i tell Jose to make sure she's breathing keep her somewhat with us moaning whatever force her eyes open as i run to the kitchen to get ice which of course there is none so i cover Lamb's chest with frozen carrots and massage her until she starts moaning...

Now i notice Jose ain't moving. FUCK. Luckily his big ass knew to get in the right position cuz there was no way i coulda moved him and thank god we had multiple kits THANK GOD one nasal spray each did the job for both of them (eventually,) with chest massages and a lot of attention.

It scares the shit out of me that this entire time i was completely lucid and quote "moving like a nurse or something at least dog"

There was absolutely no difference besides the tolerance at play here. I'm not a big guy. It's been a good year since i've done smack or fent, i dabble in opioids but once every couple months it seems...

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED? Is my tolerance that much higher than normal people despite the fact that i'm not an addict anymore?
 
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That’s a crazy story and thank GOD you were there and lucid enough to think clearly and take charge of the situation. I’m not sure how long it takes for one’s opiate receptors to reset themselves. You might want to search that on here. But I’m curious, when you say you had just a few crumbs, do you mean like a few grains of salt?
 
I've been in house where one guy was dead for 2-4 hours before we noticed it. I was 15 or 16 at the time.
I've been in many situations like that.
I've seen more death than anyone my age should have.
So many friends dead and just a chick we grew up in same foster care in hanged herself.
I get it can be a great awakening, I wish you'll get better.
 
Here's the thing @DeadManWalkin' im pretty much out of that life, i thought Jose and Lamb were deeper in it but opioids were never their DOC - still i hadnt used fent or smack anything harder than pills in like a year i dont understand why i was completely fucking fine, just buzzed.

@BellaJewel i would say so little thicker than table salt and we must have each done a little less than the size of a grain of rice (INB4 that being the stupidest measurement in the world trust me i know i thought we were gonna lose Lamb i was about to hit her with naloxone injection after narcan spray after ice chest massage slaps, NEVER AGAIN)
 
alarminglynefarious said:
There was absolutely no difference besides the tolerance at play here. I'm not a big guy. It's been a good year since i've done smack or fent, i dabble in opioids but once every couple months it seems...

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED? Is my tolerance that much higher than normal people despite the fact that i'm not an addict anymore?
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Tolerance wouldn't be a significant factor here, unless they were completely clean off opioids as well and your once every couple month use was more than theirs. Did you possibly miss or partially miss your shot? It's possible the fentanyl wasn't distributed evenly, or even by eyeing it up you got the smaller piece. Regardless, excellent handling of the situation. Did you do rescue breathing, typically chest compressions and/or chest rub is unnecessary and actually recommended against doing (otherwise Narcan wouldn't work).
 
Deru said:
Tolerance wouldn't be a significant factor here, unless they were completely clean off opioids as well and your once every couple month use was more than theirs. Did you possibly miss or partially miss your shot? It's possible the fentanyl wasn't distributed evenly, or even by eyeing it up you got the smaller piece. Regardless, excellent handling of the situation. Did you do rescue breathing, typically chest compressions and/or chest rub is unnecessary and actually recommended against doing (otherwise Narcan wouldn't work).
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yes of course rescue breathing before all! jose was able to breathe on his own fairly quickly but fuck "lamb' scared the shit out of both of us. my once in a while use is definitely miles beyond theirs. we discussed it afterwards at least jose and i and they have essentially no tolerance (I DID NOT KNOW THIS BECAUSE LAMB HAD IT AND WAS HELL BENT ON DOING IT MY MISTAKE I KNOW I WOULDNT KNOWINGLY USE FENT WITH SOMEONE WITH NO TOLERANCE)

I just didn't realize mine was so different from normal people. Wake up call.
 
Fentanyl game is fucked up. Fuck USA, I thought I would come to do drugs there, but I have some junkie friends in USA and they OD like twice a week. That's how fucked up your game is.
 
Yeah, that's a scary situation, for sure. Opioid naive people using unknown purity and unknown weight fentanyl intravenously is a recipe for disaster. Your tolerance, then, is possibly what saved not only you, but quite likely your two friends as well. Glad to hear you did rescue breathing and spotting the blue lips was excellent, I'm glad everyone is okay. Those situations sometimes allow us to grow the most, my last overdose resulted in a near death experience and that allowed me to finally make some significant life changes.
 
Deru said:
Yeah, that's a scary situation, for sure. Opioid naive people using unknown purity and unknown weight fentanyl intravenously is a recipe for disaster. Your tolerance, then, is possibly what saved not only you, but quite likely your two friends as well. Glad to hear you did rescue breathing and spotting the blue lips was excellent, I'm glad everyone is okay. Those situations sometimes allow us to grow the most, my last overdose resulted in a near death experience and that allowed me to finally make some significant life changes.
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again this was railed. noone iv'd i'm sure this would have gone to hell if railing the shit put the two of them out. fuckkkkkk
 
alarminglynefarious said:
again this was railed. noone iv'd i'm sure this would have gone to hell if railing the shit put the two of them out. fuckkkkkk
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Oh, my bad about that part. It still applies to insufflation, as well :). Fentanyl has an insanely high intranasal bioavailability of around 90% (depending upon pH) so it's very similar to intravenous in terms of absolute amount available to arterial blood.
 
Deru said:
Oh, my bad about that part. It still applies to insufflation, as well :). Fentanyl has an insanely high intranasal bioavailability of around 90% (depending upon pH) so it's very similar to intravenous in terms of absolute amount available to arterial blood.
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i definitely know that now - fuck i feel so stupid that they didnt have a tolerance i feel so bad - i shouldnt have assumed but who else pulls out a bag of fent and lines it up confidently says my treat.

fuck. 'jose' wasn't that much of fright but i thought i was gonna lose lamb. and when this idiot comes to she's angry that i killed her high fuck man im staying away from that sorta self destruction.
 
if there is one thing in retrospect this experience screams it is that FENTANYL DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH OF A THERAPEUTIC INDEX TO ABUSE BE FUCKING CAREFUL

and i woulda told you i know what i was doing. shit they'll tell you i know what i was doing cuz we all survived but knowing what i was doing would have meant not doing it.
 
The potentially lethal dose is so low and effects of fent are pretty garbage. Strait down and right back up in no time.

What Is The Lethal Dose of Fentanyl?
Before discussing the potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, it may be useful to establish some perspective for those not familiar with the metric system. There are approximately 28.35 grams to an ounce. One milligram (1 mg) is equal to 1/1000 of a gram. One microgram is equal to 1/1000 of one milligram.

The medicinal doses associated with some of the more well-known narcotic medications, such as morphine, hydrocodone (the opiate drug in medications like Vicodin), and oxycodone (the opiate substance in medications like OxyContin) are often given in milligrams. Medicinal doses associated with fentanyl are often given in micrograms.

This illustrates the potency of opiate drugs in general and the increased potency associated with fentanyl compared to these other very potent narcotic medications.

According to the book Opiate Receptors and Antagonists: From Bench to Clinic, the following amounts are generally considered to be lethal doses for these opiate drugs for an average person who has not developed tolerance:

  • The lethal dose of fentanyl is generally stated to be 2 milligrams. This lethal dose considers that the individual has not developed significant tolerance; however, even in individuals with significant tolerance, the lethal dose of fentanyl is extremely small compared to the potential lethal doses of many other opiate drugs.

Fentanyl: What Is a Lethal Dosage? | Oxford

Lethal doses will vary depending on who is taking the drug. Learn more about Fentanyl misuse and how to get treatment for Fentanyl addiction.
www.oxfordtreatment.com www.oxfordtreatment.com

Glad you all made it through and had the foresight to have Narcan handy.
 
Glad everyone is okay. This has happened to me more times than I can count. How I have not bit the dust myself is a mystery. There have been weeks where I stay home alone and smoke unmixed fent, go unconscious, wake back up and smoke more until I pass out again... its fucked. And I am a small guy ( at the time I was under 120LBS)... why have I been so lucky? Maybe its survival bias. If I had died I wouldn't be here making this post.

Fentanyl is playing with fire. Yet I know how hard it is to stay away. Good luck to you my friend.
 
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