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Trying to figure out maintenence or rehab on a tiny budget.

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koko

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I apologize if theres another thread with this info, i simply don't have time to search through them all. i currently take pretty much any drugs out there except i never smoke crack, do any kind of amphetamines, or huffing. i also do not do any bath salts or any of that new shit. what im into mostly is prescription painkillers, im normally taking 70mg hydrocodone at a time as many days of the week as possible. the hydrocodone is just easiest to find and cheapest generally. what i really prefer though is oxys/roxys, i was real hooked on them badly for a few months, and morphine. anyway i desperately try to have any kind of pain pill everyday which with my budget means half the week im feeling sick half the week im either just ok or actually high. makes it impossible to do a very good job at where i work so i dont get many hours, call in sick alot. obviously im getting tired of all the problems this addiction has caused me for the last 6 years i believe its been and i want to know the best way to go about getting treatment when i make about $600/month. i also do not have a vehicle so i could not go to any daily clinics as well as i cant afford the methadone/suboxone clinics that are here anyway. please help i want to start moving on with my life without giving all my money to drugs instead of the things i really need.
 
i don't think methadone/suboxone are a great idea unless you desperately need it. If you are just taking 70mg of hydrocodone a few times a week there is no need for maintenance treatment unless you think it's an easier way to get high every day. Try taking the money you spend on hydrocodone and spent it on kratom instead. At least you'll be more stable and won't have a monster tolerance from maintenance drugs.
 
its really not that i just want an easier way to get high everyday for the rest of my life. Methadone isnt something ive really wanted to do because i know how horrible of a solution it is for painkillers addiction. ive had many friends try the methadone maintenance and all that happens is all their money goes to that, they keep increasing the dose so that they feel it enough to get rid of cravings, they have to make it to the clinic at the right time or they're screwed, and they never actually want to get off of it which is what you're supposed to do eventually. i also do know of course how worse the withdrawals for methadone are compared to the opiates i prefer. I have had several friends, and i have also researched a lot about suboxone, and everyone hails it as a miracle drug for addiction. the real reason i want to try maintenance as opposed to simply detox and then trying to abstain is ive done this many times before. ive been able to detox myself for over a month before but all it really does is get me really really excited to get high again with a low tolerance. from what ive heard from suboxone it doesnt get you high like oxys and morphine it just helps you not have cravings or withdrawals. so if i can be on a medicine that i am able to spend the same amount of money on every month affordably, get to a point where i dont crave oxys and morphine and such, then ween off the subs, that would be my goal. of course if i am on a subs program i would also then have the day to day energy and motivation and money to seek out a good psychiatrist or maybe just therapist to help my mental issues ontop of the addiction issues.
This is what i've been thinking but i still would really appreciate more suggestions as to a better option because i dont want to deal with this anymore, im either high and able to function and get things done, or im feeling like crap and can barely get out of bed, which leaves me with getting nothing at all done that i need to do, and im always very close to getting fired due to calling in late or sick or not working very well because im not high enough to have energy or motivation.
Also ive never heard of this kratom, can you find supplements in most stores or do you need to order it online? how does it make you feel, is it very effective? do you still go through withdrawals while detoxing and taking it or does it do anything to help that as well?
 
koko said:
Also ive never heard of this kratom, can you find supplements in most stores or do you need to order it online? how does it make you feel, is it very effective? do you still go through withdrawals while detoxing and taking it or does it do anything to help that as well?
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i see your reasoning now. I'm in the same position, cannot quit completely so just want something sustainable that will keep me from craving and wasting tons of money.

Kratom is pretty effective for that. It's a plant that contains some opiate-like alkaloids. There are many strains (kind of like cannabis), some are more stimulating, some are more sedating, some are in between. So it's great for energy, focus, motivation and also gives enough of an opiate effect to get rid of cravings. It's also relatively cheap. You can find it in some headshops but online is best and to find the best vendor you should join a kratom forum and look for reviews. I think it's worth a shot before trying suboxone.

Kratom should alleviate most of your withdrawal symptoms, it shouldn't be a difficult transition as your tolerance isn't that high. It carries the same risk of addiction and dependence as other maintenance treatments but it's much more mild and easier to handle.

it's pretty easy to just say well detox and live life without drugs but i know how impossible that seems sometimes so kratom is IMO a nice compromise. It's also much easier to quit than methadone/suboxone or other opiates/opioids.
 
medicaid isnt that easy to get appaerntly, according to what they've told me. anytime ive applied for foodstamps even when accepted for foodstamps they would automatically say i wasnt qualified for medicaid. when i started having several medical problems piling up, i have seizures, schizotypal syndrome, bipolar, insomnia, irritable bowel syndrome, acid reflux, anxiety, among others, i pursued medicaid. i applied and got to the point of the interview, one of the first questions was if i had applied for disability and i hadnt, they said i had to first apply for disability to be considered at all for medicaid. then they also said i had to wait something like 6 months before i could re-apply for medicaid after that. so im trying to get down to the social security office soon to apply for disability so then even if im turned down i can re-apply for medicaid since i believe its been the amount of time it needs to be for me to re-apply. but i want more options incase that doesnt work, or something that can atleast help me short-term until i can get medicaid and get quality treatment. my primary care physician has told me with my problems itll be impossible to get health coverage unless provided by my job and right now i am not eligible for benefits at my job.
 
Your PCP may not be an expert on SSI and other benefits. There also is "Cover Florida," a state-subsidized program with low premiums and deductibles.
 
As others have recommended, Kratom could be a good way to help. Sold at majority of head shops, plus shorter withdrawal times than Methadone I'm pretty sure.
 
Cid Lysergic said:
As others have recommended, Kratom could be a good way to help. Sold at majority of head shops, plus shorter withdrawal times than Methadone I'm pretty sure.
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Will all due respect for your desire to help, kratom is not rehab. For each post there is on this forum singing the praises of kratom, there is at least one from another person desperately trying to quit and sorry they ever started.
 
Truue dat Missykins! Kratom can be useful in the path out, but must be respected. It does in fact seem to be easier to quit than a serious opiate addiction. A heavy H user can be wrapped around their porcelain god puking and shitting themselves for days. I never heard such a thing from kratom WD, but the psychological WD symptoms and cravings can be just as bad, esp after acute withdrawal when PAWS rears its ugly head. ALL WDs are unpleasant.

I neither sing the praises of kratom nor deny its potential usefulness. IMHO I think kratom can be useful as the taper of a taper. For me, I tapered down from a mega poppy pod habit. The first time I quit the pods, CT, I was in pure misery for 5 days when it started to get worse, so I relapsed. Second attempt: tapered down my high poppy pod consumption over a month to 1 gram per day, with mild-moderate withdrawal symptoms the whole time. But I could function. I basically see it as spreading out the misery. Then after the jump from 1 measly gram a day the WDs I got surpised me. So I got hold of some kratom, and am now doing a slow taper from that. Back in my pod habit, I could toss n wash 15 grams of kratom powder and not notice a thing. Now 3 grams kratom once or twice a day keeps me able to function, and I have a job where I have t be extremely capable, alert and aware the entire time.

Anyway, I suggest the use of kratom for those who have serious opiate habits and who are trying to taper. Taper your opiate/opioid habit to its minimum. Suffer as much manageable WDs as you can. Then, jump from the opiates, and use kratom JUST ENOUGH to get you through. Continue to suffer minor to moderate WD symptoms, and taper down the kratom as you did your opiate of choice. That is my humble suggestion, and is working for me so far.

Peace and love,
pnm
 
That depends on how out of control your habit is. If you have no ability to moderate or maintain a consistent dose, I'd say go to rehab.

If you don't have a problem keeping your use low, and keeping yourself in check, I'd probably recommed maintenance. It has worked brilliantly for me.
I have been steadily decreasing my dose for the last 8 months, have no temptation to abuse full agonist opiates (on sub), and will be off this shit soon.

Then after that its nothing but pot for me. I don't want to know it with opiates. That warm, fuzzy, euphoria gets old after enough years of fucking up your life over it. I just don't enjoy opiates anymore or look forward to taking them. Sure they feel good, but sobriety feels 1000s better imo. Mainly because you can ACTUALLY FEEL when you're sober. When you're on opiates all the time you're not even a real person imo, just a spaced out, flat shell of a person.

Good luck whatever you do! - Bo
 
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