Yeagerx
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I use marijuana,percocets,tabs, and focalin frequently. I've heard DXM is pretty crazy. Gotta wait until I get some money though(Blew all my money on percs)
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Trying some DXM
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I use marijuana,percocets,tabs, and focalin frequently. I've heard DXM is pretty crazy. Gotta wait until I get some money though(Blew all my money on percs)
Special J
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You don't need a lot of money. $5 at Walmart will get you a 300mg bottle of robogells, which is a good start. Pop 3-4 for the test, and the rest a couple days later. Best not to push it to hard the first time. Weed's great though. A good bowl will really put you over the top. For that matter I've had good luck mixing it with percs. But I wouldn't necessarily advocate that. More that can go wrong. Go with weed if you need a boost, just watch out for the Dex peak. Without mixing anything, your trip should only go 4 hours tops.
phew
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Don't dare try more than 300mg for a first time. Because it's your first time, you will have a great time if you do at night, in the dark, on your bed and listen to some suitable music (Dubstep is good for DXM).
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Music on DXM is really important. You may have your face in a trash can and you may be spewing your guts out. But once you stop puking and lay on the floor next to your trash can you'll realize that you're hearing the most beautiful sound you've ever heard. Do You Like Worms by the Beach Boys in my case.
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My advice seeing as I'd seen somebody with no DXM experience on about 320mgs, he tripped for a while... whilst i had abuot 400+ and it hadn't any effect other then annoying insomnia (Set and setting were so random and wrong...)
First time I suggest anywhere from 300-400mgs
second time if it was weak and handle-able boost it to 500-600,
from there, Id say boost from 700-1000mgs all depending on how you feel but I will tell you
Plateau to plateau are very different trips, and each person individually has their own tolerances to it and how you will react to the tripp...
Mind you, if your easily nausious to other things like alcohol, or puke easily, be careful, ive not once puked on DXM but i rarely puke, only on high amounts of nasty liqour combined with other things like smoking or certain drugs too fast too soon...
ALSO, like said before, Have a good music setlist!!!!!!
First time I suggest anywhere from 300-400mgs
second time if it was weak and handle-able boost it to 500-600,
from there, Id say boost from 700-1000mgs all depending on how you feel but I will tell you
Plateau to plateau are very different trips, and each person individually has their own tolerances to it and how you will react to the tripp...
Mind you, if your easily nausious to other things like alcohol, or puke easily, be careful, ive not once puked on DXM but i rarely puke, only on high amounts of nasty liqour combined with other things like smoking or certain drugs too fast too soon...
ALSO, like said before, Have a good music setlist!!!!!!
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Yeagerx
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Yeah i figure ill listen to the Dark Side of the Moon album
synchrojet
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Wow. There's so much bad advice already in this thread that I can only reiterate the good advice given: START SMALL. By small, we mean less than 100mg. That means no more than five Robitussin cough gels. More importantly though - be sure you aren't taking another medication that is contraindicated! DXM is best taken alone. When mixed with other drugs, the usual result is negative (of course there are exceptions, but the first time is not the time to explore this area). At worst, being ignorant of the contraindicated drugs can kill you. For example, mixing DXM with an MAOI can kill very easily, and has done so many, many times. Mixing it with other common, seemingly benign meds like tricyclics and/or SSRIs can also be problematic, and though rarely fatal at low doses, will certainly be a horrific experience.
So first step - take an accurate inventory of your current/recent drug use and research the interactions with DXM online - even right here on bluelight - before taking ANY.
As far as taking 600mg - I cannot comprehend why anyone would give that advice to a DXM virgin. It's like taking your 110 lb girlfriend out to the shooting range for her first experience firing a pistol and giving her a Desert Eagle calibrated to .50 - just a bad, bad idea.
To answer your question about plateaus:
The most important thing to understand is that DXM is a very different drug at different levels. In other words, the 2nd plateau is not just a more intense 1st plateau, and so forth. Moreover, with each plateau the differences increase significantly, the intensity increases at a geometric rate rather than a linear one, and the dose/response curve becomes more acute as one progresses to higher and higher doses.
To clarify: If a user of average health and constitution experiences a 1st plateau result from, say, 150mg, he might be able to increase certain aspects of that plateau by taking 200-250mg next time (of course, this might notch him to the 2nd plateau as well - another reason to progress slowly). Now, lets assume that this user requires 275mg to enter into the 2nd plateau. This means, with DXM, that the difference in the experience between a dose of 250mg and a dose of 300 mg will be MUCH more dramatic than the difference between a 100mg dose and a 200mg dose. So it is possible to increase your dose by 100mg and change things less than increasing a higher dose by only 20mg, which is just over ONE COUGH GEL. So the importance of knowing where your plateaus start and stop is of paramount importance.
About the plateaus themselves: Unfortunately I must disagree with almost everything offered thus far with regard to plateaus. The simple fact is that anything beyond the second plateau is very difficult, if not impossible, to describe to a DXM virgin. For the sake of answering to the best of my ability, I submit that the first plateau consists primarily of general giddiness, mild dizziness (not disorientation), and general mood elevation. The most obvious trait that marks the entrance into the 2nd plateau would be music euphoria. By that, I mean that whatever music you listen to will physically sound different. As in substantially different. In most cases of 2nd plateau this difference manifests primarily as absolute fidelity and clarity, what I like to call sonic holography. The technical term is in fact "music euphoria" because for most people this experience is exactly that - euphoric. It's almost an empatheonogenic relationship with the music itself, if that makes any sense. There are other differences too, such as the sensation of sudden, significant insights into things like relationships, physics, the natural world, and self explorations that for the most part are pleasant, though at the higher end of the 2nd plateau some of this can be challenging. Crying is not uncommon.
Third plateau can be induced with an addition of as little as 20-40mg to your 2nd plateau dose. So again, if 300-450 yields a pleasant psychedelic, kaleidoscopic, musical and spiritual experience, then 480 or above can produce effects that are NOTHING like the previous. The most prominent feature of a 3rd plateau experience is the predominant anesthetic effects and the resulting disassociation. If you have never experienced true disassociation, then it is quite possible your first time could be quite scary if it wasn't what you were expecting, and at the dose required to get to the 3rd plateau, you're gonna be there a while. The poster that suggested a DXM trip will last 4 hours at most should be ignored. It's completely inaccurate. The fact is it can easily last ten to twelve hours, though on average (in the user we're imagining here for example) I would propose eight hours duration before return to near baseline, and a night of sleep before total return to functionality/normalcy.
Fourth plateau is so often misrepresented on this board that I hesitate to submit my opinion in detail, except to say that the most prominent feature is the belief that you have died. Please understand, I don't mean the fear that you might die...that can happen at any dose on DXM...I mean the bona fide, 100% experience and ACCEPTANCE OF THE FACT that you have died, and are now (whether willing or not) experiencing a new consciousness entirely. For me, the chief difference - and there are many so this is entirely subjective - would be the lack of linear syntax. In other words, you don't think in words. Words vanish. Attempts to think in words result in bizarre sounds generated internally, as well as severe synaesesthia, timelock, spacial disorientation, amnesia with regard to haven taken a drug to begin with, astral projection, time travel, etc.
In other words, it isn't like shrooms or acid at this level. I know a lot of people are gonna probably flame and disagree on this, talking about their 1200mg trips and shit like that. Fine. But for me, anything over 900mg (three bottles of cough gels at once or 60 gels) will land me squarely in that fourth plateau. You need a sitter for this, period. Experience doesn't matter at the fourth plateau, because of the syntax distortion and amnesia. Each fourth palteau experience is its own singular experience, with very little similarity to the last other than the intensity and duration, both of which are severe.
As a side note, I once tried two of the Zicam (540mg each) at once when doing some spiritual exploration and it was by far the most difficult drug experience of my life. Not something I care to repeat. When I told a friend and fellow dexhead about it, he immediately went and tried it himself and wound up in the ER. No physical harm from the drug, but his behavior caused his sister and mother to panic and they took him in. He remembered nothing about the real world during his trip except waking up in the hospital, where he thought he had been sent as punishment, and represented hell, where they were preparing to amputate his arms and legs and scoop out his brain...and this is after he regained enough of his faculties to understand he was in a hospital...point made I assume?
So don't listen to all this advice about heroic doses. My first inclination is to call bullshit on ninety percent of the stories of 900 and above doses all at once because even with a tolerance this is a huge dose that will generate a seriously intense experience. For reference: I am six feet tall, about 200lbs give or take depending on condition, physically very fit, with two decades plus of psychedelic experience. I've taken DXM daily for months on end on several occasions, building a tolerance to the point that I would take 600 - 900 per day, spread throughout the day in 300mg doses. Even then, any single dose over 750 was enough to push the envelope of tolerability, and 900 has NEVER failed to induce a full fledged fourth plateau.
There exists in DXM lore talk of a plateau Sigma. By all accounts it sounds like a brain damaging dose that simply induces delerium, which is in no way remotely similar to tripping.
Hope this helped more than sounded preachy. Sorry for the length - I just don't want you to miss out on what can be a very pleasant and useful legal drug just because you followed some bad advice.
PEace
So first step - take an accurate inventory of your current/recent drug use and research the interactions with DXM online - even right here on bluelight - before taking ANY.
As far as taking 600mg - I cannot comprehend why anyone would give that advice to a DXM virgin. It's like taking your 110 lb girlfriend out to the shooting range for her first experience firing a pistol and giving her a Desert Eagle calibrated to .50 - just a bad, bad idea.
To answer your question about plateaus:
The most important thing to understand is that DXM is a very different drug at different levels. In other words, the 2nd plateau is not just a more intense 1st plateau, and so forth. Moreover, with each plateau the differences increase significantly, the intensity increases at a geometric rate rather than a linear one, and the dose/response curve becomes more acute as one progresses to higher and higher doses.
To clarify: If a user of average health and constitution experiences a 1st plateau result from, say, 150mg, he might be able to increase certain aspects of that plateau by taking 200-250mg next time (of course, this might notch him to the 2nd plateau as well - another reason to progress slowly). Now, lets assume that this user requires 275mg to enter into the 2nd plateau. This means, with DXM, that the difference in the experience between a dose of 250mg and a dose of 300 mg will be MUCH more dramatic than the difference between a 100mg dose and a 200mg dose. So it is possible to increase your dose by 100mg and change things less than increasing a higher dose by only 20mg, which is just over ONE COUGH GEL. So the importance of knowing where your plateaus start and stop is of paramount importance.
About the plateaus themselves: Unfortunately I must disagree with almost everything offered thus far with regard to plateaus. The simple fact is that anything beyond the second plateau is very difficult, if not impossible, to describe to a DXM virgin. For the sake of answering to the best of my ability, I submit that the first plateau consists primarily of general giddiness, mild dizziness (not disorientation), and general mood elevation. The most obvious trait that marks the entrance into the 2nd plateau would be music euphoria. By that, I mean that whatever music you listen to will physically sound different. As in substantially different. In most cases of 2nd plateau this difference manifests primarily as absolute fidelity and clarity, what I like to call sonic holography. The technical term is in fact "music euphoria" because for most people this experience is exactly that - euphoric. It's almost an empatheonogenic relationship with the music itself, if that makes any sense. There are other differences too, such as the sensation of sudden, significant insights into things like relationships, physics, the natural world, and self explorations that for the most part are pleasant, though at the higher end of the 2nd plateau some of this can be challenging. Crying is not uncommon.
Third plateau can be induced with an addition of as little as 20-40mg to your 2nd plateau dose. So again, if 300-450 yields a pleasant psychedelic, kaleidoscopic, musical and spiritual experience, then 480 or above can produce effects that are NOTHING like the previous. The most prominent feature of a 3rd plateau experience is the predominant anesthetic effects and the resulting disassociation. If you have never experienced true disassociation, then it is quite possible your first time could be quite scary if it wasn't what you were expecting, and at the dose required to get to the 3rd plateau, you're gonna be there a while. The poster that suggested a DXM trip will last 4 hours at most should be ignored. It's completely inaccurate. The fact is it can easily last ten to twelve hours, though on average (in the user we're imagining here for example) I would propose eight hours duration before return to near baseline, and a night of sleep before total return to functionality/normalcy.
Fourth plateau is so often misrepresented on this board that I hesitate to submit my opinion in detail, except to say that the most prominent feature is the belief that you have died. Please understand, I don't mean the fear that you might die...that can happen at any dose on DXM...I mean the bona fide, 100% experience and ACCEPTANCE OF THE FACT that you have died, and are now (whether willing or not) experiencing a new consciousness entirely. For me, the chief difference - and there are many so this is entirely subjective - would be the lack of linear syntax. In other words, you don't think in words. Words vanish. Attempts to think in words result in bizarre sounds generated internally, as well as severe synaesesthia, timelock, spacial disorientation, amnesia with regard to haven taken a drug to begin with, astral projection, time travel, etc.
In other words, it isn't like shrooms or acid at this level. I know a lot of people are gonna probably flame and disagree on this, talking about their 1200mg trips and shit like that. Fine. But for me, anything over 900mg (three bottles of cough gels at once or 60 gels) will land me squarely in that fourth plateau. You need a sitter for this, period. Experience doesn't matter at the fourth plateau, because of the syntax distortion and amnesia. Each fourth palteau experience is its own singular experience, with very little similarity to the last other than the intensity and duration, both of which are severe.
As a side note, I once tried two of the Zicam (540mg each) at once when doing some spiritual exploration and it was by far the most difficult drug experience of my life. Not something I care to repeat. When I told a friend and fellow dexhead about it, he immediately went and tried it himself and wound up in the ER. No physical harm from the drug, but his behavior caused his sister and mother to panic and they took him in. He remembered nothing about the real world during his trip except waking up in the hospital, where he thought he had been sent as punishment, and represented hell, where they were preparing to amputate his arms and legs and scoop out his brain...and this is after he regained enough of his faculties to understand he was in a hospital...point made I assume?
So don't listen to all this advice about heroic doses. My first inclination is to call bullshit on ninety percent of the stories of 900 and above doses all at once because even with a tolerance this is a huge dose that will generate a seriously intense experience. For reference: I am six feet tall, about 200lbs give or take depending on condition, physically very fit, with two decades plus of psychedelic experience. I've taken DXM daily for months on end on several occasions, building a tolerance to the point that I would take 600 - 900 per day, spread throughout the day in 300mg doses. Even then, any single dose over 750 was enough to push the envelope of tolerability, and 900 has NEVER failed to induce a full fledged fourth plateau.
There exists in DXM lore talk of a plateau Sigma. By all accounts it sounds like a brain damaging dose that simply induces delerium, which is in no way remotely similar to tripping.
Hope this helped more than sounded preachy. Sorry for the length - I just don't want you to miss out on what can be a very pleasant and useful legal drug just because you followed some bad advice.
PEace
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Special J
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Bravo Synchrojet! You're right, I shouldn't have thrown out four hours. It's just that earlier I read about a guy being surprised at the length of the trip compared to say shrooms/LSD. For me, I've always peaked at about three hours, and by four I just feel like a mostly normal guy living in a strange world. But then it takes me a fairly low dose to trip. 300 mg to my 137 lB will have me tripping hard. That's really why I agree that suggesting a strait jump to 400+ is just messed up. I also want to mention that re-dosing is tricky, the type of trip is different after the first dose because inundating the enzyme changes the ratio of DMX/DXO. No reason a beginner would want to do that, or Delsym for that matter. Excellent narrative of the plateau system. I'd like to add that there are a lot of people out there that love the first two plateaus, and just don't like 3. It really is different, almost like a different drug.
Yeagerx
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@synchrojet that sounds fukin awesome! Thanks for trying to explain as best as you could too. I can't wait to take a trip.
@Special J thanks for your input too man.
I'll be sue to write up a trip report when i have time to give DXM a try.
@Special J thanks for your input too man.
I'll be sue to write up a trip report when i have time to give DXM a try.
campaigns
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Thanks for the post, synchrojet. I look forward to my first time.
phew
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I commend you for commitment to harm reduction. I usually recommend to stay at or below 300 mg because that's what I started with, but that's not the safest advice.
I enjoyed your descriptions of the plateaus, I would love to talk with you about the experience. Great writing!
iPKNHRD
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I don't think anyone has mentioned this but I highly recommend doing an extraction before you drink the liquid.
Other active ingredients in the bottle might cause nausea and other unwanted reactions such as vomiting and what not..
and yeah, start low of course because you can't un-dose but you can re-dose.
Other active ingredients in the bottle might cause nausea and other unwanted reactions such as vomiting and what not..
and yeah, start low of course because you can't un-dose but you can re-dose.
Orangutangpsychopa
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I say start from very low and take little doses periodicly for some decided amount. Maybe lower then 300mg, check what medicines on, possible unfitting. 1000mgs is very a lot. I take it slowly, maybe 90mg a ½ hour until DXM/DXO starts to be good, i'm poor metaboliser. It's un probably to die to DXM with medications but can be real stupour, weird, loosing tough to reality and so on, depends a very much on where and with what sensorings with.
Some say it's kiddie drug but when getting done more and more, i've done almost 15 years, it's starts to be clear that electronic music is one thing and sometimes talking to people without understanding normally or understanding completely weird way all.
My religious side starts (on cough syrup form, it has a load of sorbitol, sweetener that causes stomach pain and diarrhea) when done about 600-1100mg and going to toilet is just fun, not stomach pain but easy diarrhea a lot. Then, staying on plateau is awesome but taking more causes complete loosening of self, so, if not social slave i'd take 5-10mg more then.
It's very good deliriant, dissociative, to be alone but people can be interesting at some point. I'm coming from TDS, complaiments i need to write, to these things here area now when without social slavery. After alcoholistic period to here that is. It seems DXM has some qualities that are related to phaces in life, sometimes the tripping is god damn weird with size-altering hallucinations and almost about near-death-experiences without real danger, the person can pass out and awake with gone or lesser mgs in blood/brains.
Some say it's kiddie drug but when getting done more and more, i've done almost 15 years, it's starts to be clear that electronic music is one thing and sometimes talking to people without understanding normally or understanding completely weird way all.
My religious side starts (on cough syrup form, it has a load of sorbitol, sweetener that causes stomach pain and diarrhea) when done about 600-1100mg and going to toilet is just fun, not stomach pain but easy diarrhea a lot. Then, staying on plateau is awesome but taking more causes complete loosening of self, so, if not social slave i'd take 5-10mg more then.
It's very good deliriant, dissociative, to be alone but people can be interesting at some point. I'm coming from TDS, complaiments i need to write, to these things here area now when without social slavery. After alcoholistic period to here that is. It seems DXM has some qualities that are related to phaces in life, sometimes the tripping is god damn weird with size-altering hallucinations and almost about near-death-experiences without real danger, the person can pass out and awake with gone or lesser mgs in blood/brains.
Fjones
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This won't happen if you get the right product. The CSVand Rite Aid Maximum strength cough has only DXM as an ingredient.
I am curious as to how much one has to take to get to the 4th Plateau? I have taken in excess of 1 gram without exceeding the 3rd plateau. I am not sure I am willing to take a higher dose.
Clusterone666
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My first time I took in the near 700mg+ range (on accident, didn't think it was working so we kept taking more and more and more lol, although I loved it :D)
But for your first time take anywhere from 300mg-450mg.
I weigh about 105lb's and 300mg's is a STRONG dose for me, while 450-600 is fourth plateu shit for me (full hallucinations, out of body experiences, flying through space and time stuff :D )
Have fun :D i'm taking 450mg tonight
But for your first time take anywhere from 300mg-450mg.
I weigh about 105lb's and 300mg's is a STRONG dose for me, while 450-600 is fourth plateu shit for me (full hallucinations, out of body experiences, flying through space and time stuff :D )
Have fun :D i'm taking 450mg tonight
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My first time I took in the near 700mg+ range (on accident, didn't think it was working so we kept taking more and more and more lol, although I loved it :D)
But for your first time take anywhere from 300mg-450mg.
I weigh about 105lb's and 300mg's is a STRONG dose for me, while 450-600 is fourth plateu shit for me (full hallucinations, out of body experiences, flying through space and time stuff :D )
Have fun :D i'm taking 450mg tonight
What a baffling substance. I barely get high on 450 MG. Maybe it's just as well. I cannot imagine it's a good idea to be taking in excess of 1 gram of this stuff.
Clusterone666
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Well I am 105lb's and i'm pretty tall XP (super skinny) and most, if not all drugs, have 2x times the effect on me than they do most people, i could roll balls off of half a e pill. while most take 3-20 :/. that's just how I am, and over all my DXM experiences i've learned how to dose my trips out nicely.
I just have a really low tolerance to everything