Truth about steroids?

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Zodiakk

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This is Zodiakk visiting you kind people from the PD forums :D
Well I have always been veered away from Steroid use by default. However, that is because of the propaganda about it that may not be true. Much like propaganda on all of the psycadelics I take.

So I am 18 and I don't really need much muscle, it would just be a cool project if it is worth it healthwise.
So my questions are:

What popular propaganda do you often hear that is false as far as health risks are concerned? I am aware there are probably many types and whatnot.
What could be made at home? I like working out and I just want to get the most out of it.

That's pretty much it.
 
Steroids at home!? Why yes sir!

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However, you are much too young to be supplanting your natural hormones with artificial hormones be it trenbolone (above picture) or regular old cheap ass testosterone.

You risk permanently affecting your testicles and pituatary gland which can inhibit your natural production of testosterone.

Honestly, if you are not ready to go on test for the rest of your life (2x injections per week) then you should not mess with steroid therapy.
 
This is Zodiakk visiting you kind people from the PD forums :D
Well I have always been veered away from Steroid use by default. However, that is because of the propaganda about it that may not be true. Much like propaganda on all of the psycadelics I take.

So I am 18 and I don't really need much muscle, it would just be a cool project if it is worth it healthwise.
So my questions are:

What popular propaganda do you often hear that is false as far as health risks are concerned? I am aware there are probably many types and whatnot.
What could be made at home? I like working out and I just want to get the most out of it.

That's pretty much it.

read this this should change your idea of even trying something like this at your age.


Health Risks

When you are under 21, your endocrine system is still developing. This should be obvious as you are still going through the end of puberty, getting acne, etc. During this time peroid, supplementing with extrogenous hormones is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. There is potential for very serious and long term side effects to occur. I hear all the time some of these people saying that "I've stopped growing, so it's okay". No - it's not okay. There are many other potential side effects besides growth plates. Here is a list of a few.

1) Premature closing of growth plates. This one is the most known about. Even if you think you have stopped growing, there still is a potential for height increase over time. I have known people who are 18+ who have continued to grow in height. Scientists know that growth plates don't fuse completely in some cases until individuals are past 22. Don't be deterred just because you haven't grown taller in awhile.

2) Impotence. Supplementing with hormones while you are still growing can potentially cause PERMANENT impotence and fertility issues in teenagers. When you add testosterone, estrogen and a wealth of other synthetic androgens to your body it can cause problems with your normal testicular growth and function. Remember, some of these effects are more than just temporary.

3) Liver/Kidney Problems. I hear all the time teenagers say "Well my friends used it and they got big and nothing happened to them." Really? How do you know? Have they been to a doctor and had their liver and kidney values checked? I doubt it. Just because a person looks okay on the outside, doesn't mean that they could have a host of problems on the inside. Liver and kidney damage is nothing short of serious. This can occur even in people who are past their teen years.

4) Gyno or "bitch tits". I believe this using androgens in teens can really increase the risk of gyno. Gyno has been known to happen naturally in many teenagers because of already fluxating hormones. When you add more hormones to the mix, you dramatically increase the problems. Remember that once you have gyno, its very hard to get rid of unless you take the proper precautions up front.

5) Hair loss/acne/prostate aggrevation, etc. All of these can be increased and agrevated with external androgen use. Have you ever seen a 20 year old going bald? It's not pretty. Don't think it can't happen to you.

6) Brain function. It is well known that hormones play a role in development of cognative brain function. Adding external hormones when your brain is still developing could be a disaster waiting to happen. How can you now many years down the road there won't be problems?

Psychological Problems

Being a teenager can be difficult as it is. Getting used to your own body image can be hard if you feel you're different than everyone else. Many teenagers turn to bodybuilding to help improve that image, and that can be a very healthy thing. However, when a teenager becomes obsessed or is only after short term goals of getting ripped in 6 weeks then it can be a very serious problem when prohormones/steroids get in the mix.

1) Abuse. There is a high potential for abuse when individuals turn to prohormones/steroids when they aren't mature enough to handle them. Most of these individuals had these substances recommended to them by friends with erroneous data presented to them on how to use them and how they work. I have seen teenagers on this board claim to never come off cycles of Mag-10 and 1AD. There is no reason to abuse your body like that. Never coming off hormones can have even greater risks than using them for the short term, such as halting normal hormone production permantely. If you have a problem and want to discuss it with us, please post it.

Legal Problems

Using steroids and prohormones underage can have very obvious legal implications. Since all prohormones have labels on them indicated that they are not for use for individuals under 18, you take into liability not only yourself and your family, but risk liability on the manufacturer and seller who sold these substances to you. By doing this, you are hurting the community who use these substances responsibly. Take responsibility for yourself and stay away from these. Causing harm to yourself is one thing, but everytime a teenager uses prohormones, the potential for them being banned increases. Here are some other problems

1) Drug testing. If you are a teenager playing sports, using steroids and prohormones can seem like a good idea to increase your performance. How would it look if you suddenly got tested for them? Being tested for prohormones WILL SHOW UP AS STEROIDS. You will have no recourse for this, and could potentially find yourself being investigated by the authorities.

2) Purchasing steroids is already illegal, but purchasing prohormones can have implications as well. As I already said, on all bottles of prohormones there is a label saying "Not for use for individuals under 18". That is not just printed on there as a joke, that is on there for a reason. If you bought these substances underage and then got into trouble or had one of the side effects listed above from taking these, what do you think your parents are going to do? They are probably going to sue the manufacturer, sue the seller, and possibly contact their congressmen demanding these substances be banned. You just screwed everyone because you were in a hurry to get some quick muscle. Take into consideration the rest of us before you make your irresponsible purchases.

Please read this over and think about what your goals are a long time before you decide to take your health into jeopardy and risk legal repercussions by using prohormones and steroids as a teenager. You not only endanger yourself, but all of us who want to or may want to use prohormones one day. We all want to have good gains and have pefect bodies, thats why we're here. But rushing into things and abusing susbstances is not the answer. There is absolutely no justification for teenagers to use prohormones or steroids. None. So, before you decide to use them - please take some time out, and make a post describing your training, diet and supplemenation. I know that me and the other members of the board would be more than happy to help you make some changes to your diet and training to help gain naturally, without the use of androgens. Doing this, you will save us all a a lot of grief."
 
This is Zodiakk visiting you kind people from the PD forums :D
Well I have always been veered away from Steroid use by default. However, that is because of the propaganda about it that may not be true. Much like propaganda on all of the psycadelics I take.

So I am 18 and I don't really need much muscle, it would just be a cool project if it is worth it healthwise.
So my questions are:

What popular propaganda do you often hear that is false as far as health risks are concerned? I am aware there are probably many types and whatnot.
What could be made at home? I like working out and I just want to get the most out of it.

That's pretty much it.

I have to say the most common things I hear , in no particular order are these:

1) Have fun with cancer
2) Doesn't that shit shrink your dick
3) Yeah well dude did you hear about so and so who did such and such, he was on juice (yup and blown out of mind, drunk, and punched someone, my god !?!??! Must be the juice).

What can be made at home:

Everything - but legally tren - ace , and test prop which you can also make suspension out of. Both are very simple and straight forward, I can find you a website with step by step directions if you ever want one. These are legal to buy, when you convert them - they become the controlled substance.

Look bro - you are 18, let me put this simply, I was on gear at 15, for football - it was fucking horribly ignorant of the coaches and people just went with it. Now health wise my body got wrecked on the inside from many many years of rec drug addiction / abuse - so I cannot say that steroids have done me no harm. Let me put it this way - you see those adds for low T ? Those are 60 year old dudes, testosterone correctly cycled at higher doses is safe as long as you are taking in a few precautions.

1) have a bloodwork (i have one every 4 months now, oral steroids are designed so the liver takes a beating)
2) Get an EKG done - twice a year now for me
3) Take care of the body - milk thistle , cranberry extract , liv52 is a good product - WATER - 1 1/2 gallons daily. Period. You need that water.

But look bro - I'm 25, I'm on roughly 1.8 grams of gear at the moment without taking into account Peptides (HGH , GHRP2 , IGF) - but you know what I am most concerned about ? Paying for the damn food. It's SO much money to get the good CLEAN foods in good amounts to put the size you want.

My point - I do this shit for not just my lively hood - it is part of my jobs. And honestly, at 18 you can do a ton of growing and have great results without touching sauce for years. I wish I had been... at least 21 ... 23 - 24 , if you don't have IFBB pro genetics - STOP FUCKING RUSHING. You got your whole life.

Be safe

My 2cc's
 
But look bro - I'm 25, I'm on roughly 1.8 grams of gear at the moment without taking into account Peptides (HGH , GHRP2 , IGF) - but you know what I am most concerned about ? Paying for the damn food. It's SO much money to get the good CLEAN foods in good amounts to put the size you want.
This is the real shit about putting on size. Every pound of muscle you put on its going to be something like 30-40 more calories everyday you must consume to support the new growth. It gets tiresome once you start creeping over 3k, 3.5k calories.....
 
Agreed with everyone's posts, 18 is pretty young to be using AAS and manipulating your own hormonal balance. Unless you have a disorder or have been using PD's so heavily that it has taken a toll on your endocrine system, your natural testosterone levels should be pretty high and there wouldn't be a need to add free testosterone to your body unless your goals call for something out of the norm.
 
18 is young, 21 at the youngest.

Its no magic, still hard work to get results.
 
truth about steroids? they make your balls shrink and you are a moron for using them.
 
If you are a fool and don't know how to use them (sounds like the case here), yes....your balls will shrink./V

True that. There are still some 80s era old school dungeon-type bodybuilders that are not internet savvy still getting their hookups the old fashion way. They aren't ashamed to admit that their balls abnormally small.
 
I think they can be used responsibly or abused for whatever reason. And that with the proper knowledge, experience and due diligence they can be used to not only rehabilitate injured athletes, but can also enhance bodybuilders looking to put their body into fifth gear ( sadly, many can poorly shift and stall or skip gears and end up grinding their clutch).
 
truth about steroids? they make your balls shrink and you are a moron for using them.

truth about steroids , read the last poll by USA today - readers were "shocked" to read that most steroid users in their 30s and 40s knew tremendous amounts about what they were doing and were cycling safely, having bloodworks etc.

Guess what your comment, as stupid as it is has some truth. They will make your balls shrink, and you are a moron with or without them so if you are one, you are a moron for posting such stupid shit.

fucking idiots.
 
truth about steroids , read the last poll by USA today - readers were "shocked" to read that most steroid users in their 30s and 40s knew tremendous amounts about what they were doing and were cycling safely, having bloodworks etc.

Guess what your comment, as stupid as it is has some truth. They will make your balls shrink, and you are a moron with or without them so if you are one, you are a moron for posting such stupid shit.

fucking idiots.

anyone who takes steroids is a moron. end of story.
 
anyone who takes steroids is a moron. end of story.

Blah blah blah....especially those who surf steroid boards while rolling on E....right?

Lets go drop some E and acid so we are not all called morons (and feed them to our pets!). Dumb ass.



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Blah blah blah....especially those who surf steroid boards while rolling on E....right?

Lets go drop some E and acid so we are not all called morons (and feed them to our pets!). Dumb ass.



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i dont take acid that pet thing was a joke. must be too roided up to have caught that one eh? go cheat some more by injecting that shit into you and looking nasty with your veins popping out of you.
 
i dont take acid that pet thing was a joke. must be too roided up to have caught that one eh? go cheat some more by injecting that shit into you and looking nasty with your veins popping out of you.

Oh yea...rolling on E every day and dropping acid when giving drugs to your pets is a far better lifestyle to lead. I'm sure you will go far in life. I'm also certain you were joking about that...yea right. I take extra care of my body, no recreational drugs (aside from grass), no drinking, smoking, coffee, etc.

I have no problem with you being a crack and meth head...and if you want to roll on e and drop acid every day, that's fine. I prefer to enhance my health, not fry my brain. Enjoy your next daily drop and roll, dick. Oh yeah, and I guess Arnold was a moron as well. He got nowhere in life. 8)


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Oh yea...rolling on E every day and dropping acid when giving drugs to your pets is a far better lifestyle to lead. I'm sure you will go far in life. I'm also certain you were joking about that...yea right. I take extra care of my body, no recreational drugs (aside from grass), no drinking, smoking, coffee, etc.

I have no problem with you being a crack and meth head...and if you want to roll on e and drop acid every day, that's fine. I prefer to enhance my health, not fry my brain. Enjoy your next daily drop and roll, dick. Oh yeah, and I guess Arnold was a moron as well. He got nowhere in life. 8)


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lmao i cant believe they let you be a moderator. what in gods name makes you think im a crack and meth head?? i roll once in the blue moon and guarantee i make more money than you. i have a family and a life. never touched acid in my life. so, sounds like you are the idiot who is so insecure they needed to inject chemicals to get artificial muscles and look like a freak. have fun being laughed at.
 
lmao i cant believe they let you be a moderator. what in gods name makes you think im a crack and meth head?? i roll once in the blue moon and guarantee i make more money than you. i have a family and a life. never touched acid in my life. so, sounds like you are the idiot who is so insecure they needed to inject chemicals to get artificial muscles and look like a freak. have fun being laughed at.

What makes me think you are a junkie? You sure as hell sound like one, plus your grammar is on a 5th grade level. Make more money than me? I don't think so...I run an advertising agency and own two gyms. Not to mention that I graduated from one of the top schools in the country. I doubt you have a family or a life.

And you call me cheating? I'm not a pro athlete....nor am I a junkie who rolls on e and meth. So how am I cheating? You have a wife and kids/family and still roll? Pathetic. I work out and train 5 days a week for the past 14 years. I only started using juice when I reached my maximum genetic potential. I can guarantee you that I am in far better shape and in better health than you.

Ugh...I'm wasting my time here. I don't know why I debate with crack/meth heads. Keep your kids away from your stash, you don't want them growing up like crack head daddy. I think that about sums it up with this thread. I'll make you my bitch another time. Now go hit that crack pipe and have a Happy Thanksgiving! =D


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