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Trip suddenly ending

Axed

Axed

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Hello friends,

Yesterday, I took what was supposedly 4-AcO-DMT with a few friends. I am very experienced with this psychedelic, so I know what to expect from it. Well, the come-up was very reminiscent of 4-AcO, but... the trip ended rather abruptly after about three hours, when it usually lasts 6-8 hrs. I am used to a gradual comedown with this stuff, but it was like the visuals suddenly stopped completely.

I don't think that this had anything to do with tolerance, because the friends that dosed with me had not tripped in at least a few months. However, it is a new batch that I got from a new vendor.

What are the chances that I got something other than what I ordered? Does this experience seem like it could have been the result of another tryptamine? Or is there another explanation for why the trip suddenly ended?
 
Peak normally drops off before 4h mark for me, tiny amounts of residual effects for the next 2h but it's fairly unnoticable. Seems odd you'd get varying effects though, maybe it was just another 4-sub tryptamine or maybe a one-off?

Was there anything going through your mind that could have just made it stop?
 
3-4 hours sounds like 4-sub-DiPT, which is also very visual with many other similarities to 4-aco-dmt. Mixups aren't something I've had happen, but they're not unheard of.

Other than material, did you eat or drink something during that time? I find acidic foods/drinks make durations shorter, which is congruent with alkaloid clearance/bioavailability based on pH.

Also suddenly 'coming to' the regular world from a visual trance and having to focus on something has a tendency to ground you and kill the main trip. This especially true if it happens later, on the lee-side of the peak. Due to reduced pharmacological action after the peak it's harder to get back into that visual state. In that situation once out of that tripping state, it often doesn't come back.
 
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I don't have any experience with this psychedelic, and perhaps it's for one of the reason's already suggested.

But i have experienced this phenomenon on LSD; in the middle of the peak almost instantaneously.. all psychedelics effects, both visual and mental ceased. This occurred because of a combination of variables: the atmosphere, the environment and the people around me i had due to past experiences associated with been in this state of psychedelia; what triggered it to end suddenly was a particular music track that i had only ever listened to at home when sober, so my state of mind took the form of been sober in relation to the music been played.

Obviously this is a unique situation and for me it was never replicated again; i just wanted to share my own experience with this. It's probably something more practical like a different substance.
 
MrPorter said:
Peak normally drops off before 4h mark for me, tiny amounts of residual effects for the next 2h but it's fairly unnoticable. Seems odd you'd get varying effects though, maybe it was just another 4-sub tryptamine or maybe a one-off?
Was there anything going through your mind that could have just made it stop?
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We peaked at about 2hrs after ingestion. Normally (I've bought two batches of this stuff before, from two different vendors) I would peak at around 4-5hrs in, yeah.
&I don't think there was anything in particular going on mentally that would have made the trip end, especially for all three of us at basically the same time. We were all having great experiences, so if anything we'd want it to keep going for as long as possible.


PepperSocks said:
3-4 hours sounds like 4-sub-DiPT, which is also very visual with many other similarities to 4-aco-dmt. Mixups aren't something I've had happen, but they're not unheard of.
Other than material, did you eat or drink something during that time? I find acidic foods/drinks make durations shorter, which is congruent with alkaloid clearance/bioavailability based on pH.
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This would be my first order mix-up (to my knowledge), it that is the case. I think the vendor I got this stuff from was also selling some DiPT chems, and definitely other 4-subbed tryptamines in general.
I ate a couple slices of bread right around the time we dosed. Otherwise, we drank a lot of water and some orange juice. I know OJ is acidic, but would one cup really have made a difference?


And malakaix, that certainly in interesting. I've never really considered that something purely psychological like that could fully stop a trip. But I can't think of any particular triggers that would have done that.
 
Axed said:
Otherwise, we drank a lot of water and some orange juice. I know OJ is acidic, but would one cup really have made a difference?
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It would for me. Lots of others do it without effect though. I purposely refrain from vitamin C until after trips because I find it makes it weaker, and there's a lot more acid in OJ than 1g of vitamin C.

I actually take tums (mild base) to enhance absorption for psychs/empathogens and find it definitely helps.

After all that, I don't think OJ explains having a solid trip, then having it cut short. I find acids make the strength of the whole thing lower; not a sudden drop in effects.

Besides psychological factors, I think the fact it's a new batch is making it lean towards material.
 
I have had this happen several time with quite a few drugs, psilacetin was one of em. Regardless of dose I'm pretty much baseline by 4 hours in so It doesn't surprise me that you had this reaction. In fact, I've never witnessed anyone have a 6-8 hour trip from psilacetin. The fact that you peak 4-5 hours in is mindboggling to me and suggests you have a funky metabolism to begin with. I have also had the occasional 3 hour MDMA roll (always tested), sometimes your bodies metabolism randomly decides to work in overdrive, I wouldn't linger on it too much.
 
CaptainKratom said:
I have had this happen several time with quite a few drugs, psilacetin was one of em. Regardless of dose I'm pretty much baseline by 4 hours in so It doesn't surprise me that you had this reaction. In fact, I've never witnessed anyone have a 6-8 hour trip from psilacetin. The fact that you peak 4-5 hours in is mindboggling to me and suggests you have a funky metabolism to begin with. I have also had the occasional 3 hour MDMA roll (always tested), sometimes your bodies metabolism randomly decides to work in overdrive, I wouldn't linger on it too much.
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Well, I guess it's more than just the duration. Yesterday I took 30mg. With previous batches, that dose had me tripping absurdly hard. Intense visuals and a really crazy headspace. This trip did not match the intensity that I was expecting.
 
Hmmm that is very strange that 30mgs didn't have you tripping hard, only thing I can think of is that you were sent 4-xxx-dipt or 4-xxx-dalt. Well I guess a combination of an "off" metabolism and a low quality batch could be the culprit but as I'm sure you know it would be silly to draw any conclusions without having the material tested. I guess you'll have a better answer if you take the same material again and have the same reaction but again, nothing conclusive.
 
Well, I did take a 20mg tester dose a couple of weeks ago (two weeks before dosing yesterday, to be specific). Same duration, and less intense than I expected.
 
Does this vendor sell any of the other 4-subs I mentioned? I got away with weekly tripping throughout my last psilacetin batch and noticed no decline in effects so your tolerance was definately baseline after two weeks. What you took was obviously not 4-aco-dmt if this new batch was that different in duration, effects, and dose. All 4-subs I've had a similar "vibe" while also having slight differences like the ones you've mentioned.
 
Yup -- they sell a pretty wide variety of tryptamines, including 4-AcO-DALT and 4-AcO-DiPT.

I don't want to believe that they sent me the wrong thing, but the more I think about it, the more I am inclined to think it's true.
 
Okay, I'm assuming you ordered from a certain canadian distributor? If so this company has sold sub-par chems more than a couple times, in fact very recently they were selling extremely low quality DPT and MET. Here's what Ballz Trippington posted in the "extreme 4-aco-dmt sensitivity" thread that may be relevant.

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I was able to snag some of that cheap 4-aco-dmt from that certain French Canadian vendor in that sale they had and I must say that I found it to be somewhat different than all the other 4-aco-dmt ever had. It was great! But my usual dosage is around 30mg and last time I took 50mg and had what I considered to be weaker effects than what I was expecting and although I got some just gorgeous visuals they were only during the peak and were very brief and faint. Usually 30mg provides some really awesome visuals for me. It felt exactly like regular 4-aco-dmt but the visuals really seemed unlike my previous trials with it. I'll have try it out again and see what's what.
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Perhaps this batch is just of low quality? I'm just throwing out guesses at this point...
 
Axed said:
Hello friends,

Yesterday, I took what was supposedly 4-AcO-DMT with a few friends. I am very experienced with this psychedelic, so I know what to expect from it. Well, the come-up was very reminiscent of 4-AcO, but... the trip ended rather abruptly after about three hours, when it usually lasts 6-8 hrs. I am used to a gradual comedown with this stuff, but it was like the visuals suddenly stopped completely.

I don't think that this had anything to do with tolerance, because the friends that dosed with me had not tripped in at least a few months. However, it is a new batch that I got from a new vendor.

What are the chances that I got something other than what I ordered? Does this experience seem like it could have been the result of another tryptamine? Or is there another explanation for why the trip suddenly ended?
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If you did get this from a French Canadian supplier then I thought that this batch was a little weaker than other 4-aco-dmt I've had from the same vendor and from different vendors. However, something had crossed my mind. The very first 4-aco-dmt I ever bought was from this same infamous French Canadian vendor but it was brown gunk ( this was a few years ago) and it was absolutley awesome , extremeley visual and potent! Now after that I got 2 different batches of pure white 4-aco-dmt - 1 from the same vendor and one from a different one. Neither of the batches of the pure white were as good as that degraded brown gunk that everybody over here raved about. So I got thinking, I wonder if there is a point in the breakdown process of 4-aco-dmt where it's qualitatively "better" than fresh pure 4-aco-dmt? I wonder if there is a specific ratio of 4-aco/4-ho-dmt where it just is more visual, more euphoric, and lasts a bit longer? Who knows, it just always struck me as odd that so many people I know loved that brown degraded gunk over the pure white crystalline 4-aco-dmt(mg for mg)?
 
I think we may be referring to the same vendor, in which case I'm a little disappointed as they came highly recommended to me.
Anyways, I contacted them, so I'm going to see what they have to say. And I'm probably going to lower my rating for them on SOS.

And Ballz_Trippington, I don't know if that's necessarily true, at least in my experience. The first batch of 4-AcO-DMT I ever bought was similar to the one I have now: white and fairly fine. And it was amazing quality. Very visual and introspective trip, and that 6-8hr duration that I so desire. Second batch I bought also started off with the same consistency, but since it was HCl and I didn't store it in the freezer, it degraded to brown goo. It was still active, but the trip seemed to change qualitatively. The experience seemed to take on a darker character. And it made me vomit, which never happened with the non-degraded form.
But right now... I think I would take the brown goo over what I have.
 
Around 3-4 hours, depending on dose, I notice a very drastic drop off in effects with 4-aco-dmt
I was doing some with my cousin, we both live in a university residence, and when I left his room I was still very high, and by the time I got back to my room the trip had very much decreased in intensity, back to almost baseline in fact.
It was very surprising considering during my peak I was EXTREMELY high, I mean borderline falling off into hyperspace kind of high. Very reminiscent of a DMT trip after you fall from hyperspace
 
This type of response doesn't seem very consistent with the general notion that 4-AcO tryptamines usually exhibit a smooth, long, dilated and trailing come-up and come-down.

Axed, did your friends also indulge with the 4-AcO-DMT tripping and were their reponses congruent? This remains a little unclear...
 
actually 4-ACO-DMT and mushroom trips have dropped off pretty quickly for me before. i typically redose with these kind of things a little past the peak.
 
@soli, Personally that whole 4-aco trypts have longer, smoother comeups and overall increased duration doesn't apply to not only me but others I know as well. 4-aco-dmt lasts 4 hours and the come-up is rough and starts only 20mins after ingestion followed by the peak at t+1.5hours for me while mushies last 5, sometimes 6 hours with a less anxious, smoother come-up. Everyone I've taken psilacetin with is baseline by 5 hour tops. I think psilacetin is active in itself and while it may be a prodrug I don't think it's the reason for all of it's effects. Is there even any data that suggests psilacetin converts to psilocin in the human body? This is why this longer drawn out theory came to be.correct? I thought that has only been proven with one 4-sub, I believe that 4-sub was iprocin but don't quote me on that. Metacitin lasted the same as Metocin as well, I think people take shulgins(I think it was shulgin who made the claim) assumptions as gospel a bit too much.
 
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