(answered) TRIP REPORT & COMMENTS REMOVED (SCAMMER/SELLING accusations)

[meerkatmonster]

this is ridiclous, honestly....

i hope i get apologies when ppl realise there suspicions are simply that....suspicions!

ive never heard of the rule you cant talk about how banging ur drugs are!

the reason my posts/ report has been deleted? BLATANT advertising ? lol
so i only bother signing in to report on something that im hyped about...ok yeah and i dont feel write about every SHIT thing i buy cos if i did id be here forever!

As soon as ANYBODY on here sees MDA about and it resembles what i posted about...do me a favour PLEASE and stick up for me here please as my innocence WILL be proved.

Oh and if ANYONE that reads this who has EVER been "solicited" by me by mail or posting on here OFFERING ANYTHING or even HINTING to buy anything , please SCREENSHOT it!!!

I post about things that i find that are 'banging' yeaah because i literally cant hold in the fact i cant believe its true myself , i use bl to express this yeah as bl happens to be the only place i CAN express it. I cant post it as my facebook status for obvious reasons , and in my phonebook friends 9 out of 10 wouldnt even know what it is!

I guess it wouldnt of looked weird tho if i just wrote casually (as if its a regular everyday thing lol) : hey....ive found mda , its see through , meehh

least swedge said straight up n was a man about why he acted like a lil bitch getting mods on innocent ppl lol

maybe i shouldve got involved and posted other subjects etc , yeah whoever has suspicions im not saying they are wrong for suspecting , tbh like i said i can see how it started as anytime u seen me posting its been ...got banging drone recently...or real mda etc maybe ppl doubted my posts not long ago so some r thinking ' hmm thats only time i see him post to say he gets banging (insert drug), nah thats dodggy..too good to be true' fair enough .....

that feeling that u know its impossible to find mda nevermind so clean etc , cant be true etc, ur minds obviously must use the scammer dealer accusation cos it cant accept that could be real......
well imagine actually being told about it , doubting it in everyway AND THEN HAVING IT IN UR HAND ,test n trying it and ur brain has to accept it IS REAL (imagiine how hyped ud be)...THATS WHY HAD TO TELL EVERYONE ON HERE !!

The majority of u might have never actually suspected anything but to anyone who did try have open mind cos being so CERTAIN im fake or w.e is actually same reason u wont find none! Weall build our own realities


I dont want to be pushed away from bl ,i know i dont login 95% Of time im here (which is every single day) but this is the place that taught me what i know now about drugs! it annoys me alot that im being made out to as exactly the sort of person that made me need bl in the first place! A scammer

 

[Raasyvibe]

I know the feeling. It's somewhat disheartening when you can't talk about drugs in a drugs forum.

As far as I'm aware you are not aloud to link to actual "sources", bragging of the quality I don't think breaks the BLUA. Read 'em over, quote 'em... and your post will look a bit more credible.

Maybe the mod who closed your report would have something to say. Perhaps better if you bought this up in support forum?

 

[g1zzl3]

Totally agree with this, I had received a warning too also, as Meerkat is a close friend of mine.
Somehow I have been accused of advertising a product? just for saying I enjoyed taking some with him!
Isnt that what this forum is all about? Letting people know what is good around and what is bad stuff around?
I dont see that as advertising or even Scamming!! as I have been blamed ?
I have been a member of Bluelight for over 5 years and I never try to advertise anything, whether it looks as such or not.
I just say what appears around and how it is with an honest opinion!

 

[meerkatmonster]

I know the feeling. It's somewhat disheartening when you can't talk about drugs in a drugs forum.

As far as I'm aware you are not aloud to link to actual "sources", bragging of the quality I don't think breaks the BLUA. Read 'em over, quote 'em... and your post will look a bit more credible.

Maybe the mod who closed your report would have something to say. Perhaps better if you bought this up in support forum?

trust mate

and i have never linked to any sources apart fom talking about mcat last weekennd i indirectly mentioned vendor names thinking this was allowed if its not done obviously....
i was snipped and then realised had done wrong so learnt from that mistake

but in regards to scammer etc thats a good point actually why would i discuss two seperate vendors batches of 4mmc fairly if i was a scammer, unless I AM BOTH of the vendors i mentioned which i am clearly not!


I will discuss with mods like u mentioned man but wanted to say something publicly as it does actually matter to me that everyone here may think of me as the type of person i despise myself arghhh

 

[meerkatmonster]

Totally agree with this, I had received a warning too also, as Meerkat is a close friend of mine.
Somehow I have been accused of advertising a product? just for saying I enjoyed taking some with him!
Isnt that what this forum is all about? Letting people know what is good around and what is bad stuff around?
I dont see that as advertising or even Scamming!! as I have been blamed ?
I have been a member of Bluelight for over 5 years and I never try to advertise anything, whether it looks as such or not.
I just say what appears around and how it is with an honest opinion!

this! two friends get lucky and find mda, experience it then want to share it with the same community that taught me what to look for drugwise (which is reducing risk of harm through buying fake drugs)

 

[meerkatmonster]

ill be honest , part of why i got so wound up is down to the fact i felt good spreading the news and thought of it like this will make ppl happy cos i nearly gave up trying then booom happy days , knowing other ppl will see that and be like yeaaaahhh boy was meant to be a good thing surely its not a bad thing , isit?

 

[knock]

Look, here's the situation.

I am OK with people discussing personal quantities and prices of drugs. But I am most likely the only, or one of very few staff, who are willing to accept it.

So there has been talk of banning any discussion of price. I have argued in favour of allowing price discussion, but other staff have said that it is perceived as advertising. That's quite fair enough. The fear is we may be taken down, because it can attract police to the site, and because adverts are against the BLUA. I'm not 100% certain your posts were sourcing, only 99%.

But even then, there is an HR rationale to allow price didcussion, This was argued by previous modteams. So some staff are looking to ban all price discussion, full stop.

So in order to protect that, EADD mods have to be super careful not to allow what look like adverts.

If you want to talk about prices, make it fucking clear as day you are not sourcing. Saying "I'm not sourcing" is not enough. What is enough is:

- mentioning prices when it might benefit HR.
- mentioning prices casually or just moaning about prices in your area.

If people can do this, then we'll probably be OK. If not, this rule will most likely be changed and there will be zero tolerance of prices.

Any questions?

 

[mydrugbuddy]

ouch, i know you are only doing your voluntary job, and that the rules are beyond your control, but that is the most Draconian Knock mod statement i ever recall seeing. To clarify, i am not having a pop at you. I understand that the maintenance and continuation of BL is your primary concern here.

 

[knock]

ouch, i know you are only doing your voluntary job, and that the rules are beyond your control, but that is the most Draconian Knock mod statement i ever recall seeing. To clarify, i am not having a pop at you. I understand that the maintenance and continuation of BL is your primary concern here.

Well thing is it's not my idea. I don't make up the rules, I may have some influence but I really don't how significant that influence is. It would never cross my mind to ban personal price discussion like that. However it has crossed the minds of other staff. So while I'm here telling advertisers to stop advertising and they're putting certain freedoms at risk, behind the scenes I'm arguing against the idea that we should ban any and all price discussion, because EADD is currently an anomaly.

I don't care if we're an anomaly or not. Consistency per se is not a virtue. But some people hold consistency in high regard.

So, I hear you when you're saying your not having a pop at me. Good, because I don't deserve one Some people might not understand that though. I'm just making it clear what is likely to happen, not that I want it to happen. I think we can spot adverts quite easily by using our brains, but some staff do not believe that.

Maintenance and continuation of EADD - as the only forum that I ever saw much point in being a long-standing member of, that is my primary concern. I want to save it because I like EADD a lot and I like the people on here. I think as soon as we start tightening up policies, then we'll start pissing people off and saying goodbye, and we'll be less attractive to new members.

"No adverts" and "No shilling" are not tightening up policies, we've never been a fan of that.

And when I talk about "other staff" I'm not talking about snolly and Albion. When these discussions take place behind the scenes, many staff form across the site take part, so I'm talking about BL staff on the whole, or at least the ones who've been involved in the discussion.

Isnt that what this forum is all about? Letting people know what is good around and what is bad stuff around?

No g1zzl3, that is not what the forum is about. The forum is a drug harm reduction site, not a drug comparison site, although we do allow comparison of drugs in an appropriate context.

We allow people talking about non-HR topics on EADD because without the non-HR topics it would be extremely dull. That includes "I think xx drug is great". That's fine, although it's not "why we're here". I think it's an essential part of keeping people here.

When considering what is not allowed, look at the BLUA. And then use your imagination. What it adds up to is, there are sorts of dicussion which can attract law enforcement and that could end up with us being shut down, and also have the potential to ruin the forum for everything else. If we allowed dealing, I'll bet my savings that the dealing and shilling and scamming posts would overwhelm the site and obscure not only the HR message, but all other interesting and fun stuff too. So we do not allow that.

And I cannot care if your posts just look like adverts and shilling but are not really adverts and shilling. If they appear to me to form a pattern of dealing and advertising, then they'll look that way to senior staff, to police, to journalists and to the general public. So I judge on appearance. Because that is all I have to go on. I don't know you so I must read your posts, in context, and come to a view.

Does this make sense?


Finally, you people have had warnings. It's a slap on the wrist. I get that you're worried you might end up being banned, but we have a place to discuss moderator decisions (and site improvements etc) - the EADD metathread.

But we're in here now, so that's fine. Not sure if support really is the best place for it? But I'll leave that to the discretion of whoever moved it here.

 

[knock]

Here's why I judged it as I did:

g1zzl3 started a thread like this:

Yes its me here i am here i be, I have not been far. Nor have i been close.
Just have not been on BL for a while so ive decided to GET ME ARSE BACK ON ERE! as I did have some fun times back when I used to roam these places with my whims and whistles or watever the fuck im on about lol . But yes. If you remember me! HELLO!

Fair enough, people do announce their return.

But then we go into the MDMA thread in EADD:

Wooaaaaaah loook what just landed locally

PURE MDA

:D

Someone local to me doin *snip price* a g :D

It's definitely MDA

bazooooonngggaaaa that mda is mekka!

Re: the MDA I posted about ...

cos of how see through it is I doubted it slitely thinking theres no way I actually am holding what could be THE purest and cleanest crystal physically possible ( u could read an email through it ) so just did a 70 mg line 3 hrs before meeting my mrs lmao it literally blew my head off ten mins after the drip was blasted into all I can destine as tripstasy world , every thing and person seemed so happy and everything was just AMAZING bright glowing colors I felt sooo fuxked but at same time it was sooo clean I didn't feel like I had any chemicals in my body atall if that makes sense . Proooper psychadelic man but beaautiful

One point I was standing outside a kebab type place n the sign was like a strobe like I'm in the rain with a beef and onion pie in my pocket keeping me all warm, that all felt fuuuunky as.fuck then I saw a debit card on the wall n text my mate (who I did the line with and who had just dropped me pff) telling him how random I felt cos he was tripping too n he text back saying

Puckle the pipe with it I'm sure the goose wouldn't mind

Fuck me standing on my own outide the kebabby CREASIIIIING! Loooool

I must have looked nuts!

Best experience in a LONG time I couldn't even imagine what a 200mg bomb of that stuff would do to you fuuuck me

meerkatmonster

if you need any friends, i will quite happily be your best mate lol

That MDA was fucking great Meerkat, I must say indeed, a pleasure to have done that line with you absolutley awesome

Is it not clear that this looks like advertising and shilling?

 

[masaz]

I feel like shit and so am basically just going to say that I agree with knock on this, and that constant posting about how amazing and cheap a drug was, photos of it, and other posters who have just popped up out of nowhere saying how brilliant it was seems a lot more like shilling than just an isolated comment or two made by someone who is excited to have found a relatively rare drug at a low price.

To be honest I'd go so far as to say price discussion in isolated incidents like this just makes it look more dodgy, as the majority of people would just say 'it was cheap' or 'decent price' and the majority of price chat takes place in threads dedicated to that particular drug where it makes it possible to draw up an average and for people to figure out if they're getting fleeced.

edit: Just realised the discussion takes place in the MDMA thread so the latter part of my post is fairly irrelevant, but it still seems like an attempt at selling based on what I said in my first paragraph and the apparent rarity of the drug at decent quality.

 

[g1zzl3]

Fair enough, I just appreciated my experience enough to describe it as it was a genuinely memorable and amazing experience which I wanted to share with the bluelight community, just like in the past where I have heard of other peoples experiences which have informed me of something being good and real which in turn is agreeing with HR as it has stopped me from taking potentially dangerous substances.
I have been here 5 years nearly as I said before, and I have not once shilled, scammed or advertised anything. I describe experiences which I have always thought people on here would like to hear. and I still do think that, actually there are only one or two individuals who are perceiving me and my friends experience as some kind of conspiracy!!
Maybe I have been snipped once or twice in the long past, but that is the worst of it really, this is not me explaining myself to you because I have nothing to justify I just want to make sure that the people who have known me on here do not have their opinions warped of me and my mates innocent chats tturning heads to the false belief that I am a drug dealer? as stated here>>

but it still seems like an attempt at selling based on what I said in my first paragraph and the apparent rarity of the drug at decent quality.

just because some people cant understant that we have had MDA recently? Which is real and of great quality? :S
So this is discrimination? Where I am being scrutinized, as you do not believe I am telling the truth because you have not seen it around? Sorry to hear you cant get any of decent quality. Have a good one, thats the last thing I have to say on this subject.
I

 

[knock]

Fair enough, I just appreciated my experience enough to describe it as it was a genuinely memorable and amazing experience which I wanted to share with the bluelight community, just like in the past where I have heard of other peoples experiences which have informed me of something being good and real which in turn is agreeing with HR as it has stopped me from taking potentially dangerous substances.
I have been here 5 years nearly as I said before, and I have not once shilled, scammed or advertised anything. I describe experiences which I have always thought people on here would like to hear. and I still do think that, actually there are only one or two individuals who are perceiving me and my friends experience as some kind of conspiracy!!
Maybe I have been snipped once or twice in the long past, but that is the worst of it really, this is not me explaining myself to you because I have nothing to justify I just want to make sure that the people who have known me on here do not have their opinions warped of me and my mates innocent chats tturning heads to the false belief that I am a drug dealer? as stated here>> just because some people cant understant that we have had MDA recently? Which is real and of great quality? :S
So this is discrimination? Where I am being scrutinized, as you do not believe I am telling the truth because you have not seen it around? Sorry to hear you cant get any of decent quality. Have a good one, thats the last thing I have to say on this subject.

Your choice (the bit in bold) but not very productive.

just because some people cant understant that we have had MDA recently?

That's not the issue. I'm totally open to the possibility you have had MDA recently. And I'm happy for you! Really I am! And you're allowed to talk about on EADD, that's fine.

So this is discrimination? Where I am being scrutinized, as you do not believe I am telling the truth because you have not seen it around?

No, it quite emphatically has nothing to do with whether you are lying or not.

If you'd read my posts, you'd see it's all about appearances. All anyone can judge someone on here by is appearances. We look at the posts, we see the context, we make a judgement. Members do it, staff do it, police do it, the general public does it, journalists do it. It is in the interests of the site that it does not appear that people are selling drugs, or indeed asking for them.

So like I said, the appearance of these posts is that meerkatmonster is here to sell MDA and you are here to help him advertise it. That's how it looks. To me anyway, but others too. It doesn't matter if that's actually not the case, we are not a court of law, we do not aim to uncover the "truth" behind everything people say. We aim to give drug users somewhere they will feel at home and can use to exchange harm reduction advice.

And I cannot care if your posts just look like adverts and shilling but are not really adverts and shilling. If they appear to me to form a pattern of dealing and advertising, then they'll look that way to senior staff, to police, to journalists and to the general public. So I judge on appearance. Because that is all I have to go on. I don't know you so I must read your posts, in context, and come to a view.

Do you get me?

 

[masaz]

I'm not saying you haven't had MDA or I don't believe there is any around because I haven't seen it or had any myself, that's not what's at issue here. I have very little experience with the drug anyway, it's not my kinda thing any more. What I meant from my post was that good quality MDA is rare and that posting a lot about it, including photos of it, and prices per gram, and having others back up how good it is, multiple times, seems suspect. I'm not begrudging anyone having the stuff or disputing that they have it, it is, as knock says, all about appearances. If someone else showed up saying they were getting really good quality weed, gave us prices on an eighth, posted pics, and other posters came along to confirm that 'yes it is good I've tried some' it'd look as suss to me as the MDA posts did.

 

[Tommyboy]

I have never had an issue with posting in such a way that it doesn't tempt people to try to solicit drugs off of me. I could post about getting cheap high quality drugs at a time when others are having difficulty doing the same, but I know how that may look and I know that it will bring the type of attention to me that I try to avoid here.

I don't find that it takes away from the quality of my posts or keeps me from getting my experiences across to others. That's just the way that it is, and if it keeps the site running better then I have no problem withholding certain information from my posts for the greater good, and I don't see why others would have a problem with this too.

 

[knock]

I have never had an issue with posting in such a way that it doesn't tempt people to try to solicit drugs off of me. I could post about getting cheap high quality drugs at a time when others are having difficulty doing the same, but I know how that may look and I know that it will bring the type of attention to me that I try to avoid here.

I don't find that it takes away from the quality of my posts or keeps me from getting my experiences across to others. That's just the way that it is, and if it keeps the site running better then I have no problem withholding certain information from my posts for the greater good, and I don't see why others would have a problem with this too.

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/aol (me too!)


What you say is fine, Tommyboy. I don't have any argument with it.

What are you responding to here?

 

[Tommyboy]

^ I was responding to the OP in regards to how they didn't see anything wrong with bragging about getting really high quality MDA. I'm not saying that you shouldn't mention stuff like that, but you have to take into account the context in which you say it, and how it will contribute to the thread in a positive way.

 

[alasdairm]

meerkatmonster, i am afraid i find your op extremely difficult to navigate but i believe i do understand the core issue.

i have little to add to knock's posts #7 and #10 but i will say this.

we (the site staff generally) have to consider the bigger picture and use of bluelight for sourcing and dealing presents a clear danger to bluelight's very existence. as such, posts soliciting or offering drugs are absolutely forbidden. the determination of what constitutes a post soliciting or offering drugs is made by the bl staff and, often, because of the illicit nature of the substances we discuss, we'll err on the side of caution in making that determination. if you disagree with the determination we're making, we can agree to disagree.

if you're upset or disappointed because you're actually not subtly offering drugs and you're now forced to scale back your availability and pricing discussion, then we'll both just have to learn to live with that.

alasdair

 

[swedger77]

least swedge said straight up n was a man about why he acted like a lil bitch getting mods on innocent ppl lol

You referring to me? I ve not reported any of your posts. EVER.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

This was the most obvious, Topix- related post/thread I've ever seen in EADD. Nice to see neither of you have been back since, except here to protest your obvious innocence of course.

It read like something off Topix.

You two are both refugees from Topix.

What's not to fuck off?