Opioids Tried powder heroin for first time

[SaosinEngaged]

My other issue with dope is having absolutely no fucking clue how much to take. I'm definitely tolerant to opiates, but heroin is a whole different ball game and I'm not in this one to OD. I tried about a full bag in my experience above, no idea if that was a big or small dose. Didn't feel good, made me feel heavy and dysphoric. I didn't take that all at once, I titrated up from a finger nail like line. And because every place has different bag sizes (I've heard), who the fuck knows how much "one bag" of my local shit even is. <-- This is my major issue with H. I'm anal and like knowing exactly how much of substance X is going into my body. I don't like being in the dark, I chalk that up as to one of the reasons I still walk this earth, while a lot of people I've known do not.

And because I'm unfamiliar with the substance, I have no metric of knowing if I should have taken more, or had taken too much.

It's one of the reasons I have such a strong love affair with Oxycodone. I know exactly how it will affect me at what dose, how much I can push it, how to manipulate a lower amount of the substance to work for me, etc. It's almost like becoming an expert on a certain chemical's effect on your body.

I just completely lacked this with heroin. It was foreign, slightly scary, and unpredictable.

And because of the government propaganda hate machine on all things heroin, I have to rely on some douche bag making the shit not to put something in there that would probably kill me, like fentanyl (had a good friend go from that one). So yeah, I'm clearly a jaded fuck, but it's frustrating not being able to use a good opiate partially because of how shady the whole process is and difficult to figure out just how much you're doing.

 

[always nodding]

never snorted H, but only smoked and IVed, the reason u prolly didn't feel anything is cuz it was most likely cut with valium or other adulterants, the reason ur buddy got a strong nod is cuz when u cook up shit to shootup all the adulterants come out and get seperated, so he had pure H while u snorted the other stuff with it, if u dont wanna IV which i strongly recommend u don't get into, try smoking it although that is more addictive too it will atleast remove the adulterants cuz its being heated, don't get into IV, for me once i started IV'ing my addiction was no longer just to oxys/H but also to the needle, these days i dont care what it is i just wanna shoot it up cuz i want an IV rush, don't do it cuz there's no goin back, u'll have to battle with the addiction everyday for a long time

 

[Prelude2TragedyII]

I tried heroin after using 400mg of Oxy a day.
Heroin sucked so bad, I snorted it, ate it, smoked it.

Then....
I shot it up, and wow, it makes one hell of a fucking difference...
Needless to say, I've cleaned up and don't touch the needle anymore, but I can't say how much of a difference .5g makes in the arm over the nose. Never shoot up though. So not worth it.

 

[apples]

i prefer the overall high from oxy over heroin. BUT, have u tried smoking H? the rush you get from a good burn feels so good..but so moreish. IMO, the rush from a good H burn is better than oxy, but oxy is alot smoother

 

[heavyriffer]

but what if people have powder heroin, but it aint #3? what if it is like a #4 powder but not really white will it still work to be smoked or like most threads say its a waste? to add to that what about that toxic leukoencephalopathy they say happens in most cases of "chasing the dragon"?

 

[Swain]

A lot of people that switch from a high dose of oxycodone to heroin are underwhelmed with heroin at first too. It's usually just a matter of finding the right dose. Also, when you sniff it you should be sniffing very lightly, just enough for it to get into your nasal cavity. If too much drips down into your stomach then you will be wasting part of it since the oral BA is so low.

Another explanation is that you just don't like heroin as much as oxycodone. Heroin is just another opiate really, and we all have our preferences when it comes to opiates. One persons least favorite opiate is another persons most favorite, and everything in between.

This was me man.. I was doing around 10x 30mg oxy IR's daily and I was expecting heroin to be mad strong..I was let down. I actually chose oxy over heroin until I started realizing the quality with dope can vary so much.

This was when I used to cop around paterson NJ. Eventualyl I realized that a good bag of dope was equal to sniffing around 30-40mg oxy (for 1/4 the price if not less).

If you shoot there is no comparison.

But yeah I used to do 90mg oxy per dose and the first few bundles I got 3 bags did not begint o compare. Then I got some FIRE for the first time and I realized that I could guy high all day off of what I was spending on one oxy IR. A few seconds later I realized how much fuckign money I wasted over the years sniffing oxy and not dope.. The high was so similar it was insane.. its like oxy was pharmaceutical dope lol. I was going back and forth for a while, or Id have some oxy and some dope, it wasnt until I switched to shooting that I really grouped dope into a seperate catagory

 

[Swain]

never snorted H, but only smoked and IVed, the reason u prolly didn't feel anything is cuz it was most likely cut with valium or other adulterants, the reason ur buddy got a strong nod is cuz when u cook up shit to shootup all the adulterants come out and get seperated, so he had pure H while u snorted the other stuff with it, if u dont wanna IV which i strongly recommend u don't get into, try smoking it although that is more addictive too it will atleast remove the adulterants cuz its being heated, don't get into IV, for me once i started IV'ing my addiction was no longer just to oxys/H but also to the needle, these days i dont care what it is i just wanna shoot it up cuz i want an IV rush, don't do it cuz there's no goin back, u'll have to battle with the addiction everyday for a long time

Side note.. valium is rarely if ever used as a cut in heroin. It is not rreally sniffable or injectable and it costs money.. why would they use it as a cut in dope?

Not too many poeple eat their dope

 

[Titus]

Hey all,

I know some of you saw my thread discussing me getting powder heroin for first time and my reservation on inhaling it. Well I finally tried last night and I must say I was underwhelmed. I usually take 80-120mg of oxy orally to feel nice.

I started with a few small bumps and didn't feel much so moved to a small line. While I felt different, I did not get that warm opiate buzz that I love so much. The sniffles went away and I felt sleepy and somewhat relaxed but no euphoria at all. 2 hours later I did another small line and felt even worse. Not only did I have no buzz, but my heart starting beating harder for about 5 minutes and I got extremely sweaty and anxious. My friend who used from the same bag, IV, was nodding like crazy.

After that I popped a few oxy and got what I was looking for. Any ideas what might be up? I had that nasty tasting drip after the lines that everyone discussed but like I said, I was really disappointed. Any pointers for next time let me know!

Thanks

I may be thinking of someone else, but didn't the context of your other thread center around worrying that you would do TOO MUCH or something like that? If I am remembering that correctly what kind of feedback did you expect to get? Do a few bags and see how you feel? If your stating aprehension and fear of doing too much it's kind of asking for advice to go slow and be cautious, is it not?

p.s. glad u didn't like it.

 

[Swain]

If you do 120mg oxycodone PER dose you have a very high tolerance.

If you lived in NJ and were doing North Jersey stamp bags, even with the purest dope, a few match head bumps is not going to do jack shit for someone with your tolerance. Here is a frame of reference.. keeping in mind that dope quality varies greatly; when I used to do 90mg oxy per dose I needed 3 bags of good quality near fire dope to get me to the same point.

I am not sure what pointers you are looking for, or why there is even any question to what happened, but clearly you did not do enough dope to get someone with your tolerance high. I mean you know it's real, it worked for your friend. If 2 lines was not enough.. do more? You and your friend were sharing a single bag..I mean we can only hold your hand so much here.. we do not know how pure/how much dope you have. We do not know your body or limits. YOU do.

 

[Lisergic]

Ive tried snorting and smoking . , never came across the white stuff. Enjoyed the high but I wasnt taking anything stronger that I could compare it to. I havent touched it for quite a while, but id rather snort heroin than smoke it . (personally, I feel it a lot more that way)although to avoid snorting bad heroin , I gotta know the source, otherwise id chase the dragon.

 

[heavyriffer]

ok what about smoking the powder if it might be #4 powder? and this toxic leukoencephalopathy they say from chasing? what about putting it in a joint and smoking it, not from direct flame but in the middle spread loosely?

 

[tricomb]

Do not smoke heroin with direct heat. Stick to foil.

Side note.. valium is rarely if ever used as a cut in heroin. It is not rreally sniffable or injectable and it costs money.. why would they use it as a cut in dope?

Not too many poeple eat their dope

Yeah this is like all those old myths about "ecstasy pills cut with heroin zOmG". Like how dumb and malicious of a dealer must you be to spend money to add heroin to all the pills, which has a shit BA orally anyways. That would be the dumbest shit ever.

Most cuts are cheap. Think lactose, DPH, etc.

 

[heavyriffer]

wow man thanks for acknowledging that, but alright then...no direct heat but it being #4 can it go on foil and what of the toxic leukoencephalopathy they say arises from chasing, would anyone know of that. the reason why, why make a new thread when its here i guess

 

[Swain]

ok what about smoking the powder if it might be #4 powder? and this toxic leukoencephalopathy they say from chasing? what about putting it in a joint and smoking it, not from direct flame but in the middle spread loosely?

Putting it in a joint or anything of the sort is very inefficient for a multitude of reasons. The direct flame or ember on the end of the joint would be burning the heroin and the method of delivery is very inefficient, because even as you are holding in your hit, more of the joint is burning. Heroin users want to use the most efficient method of delivery.. any loss is really not acceptable.

I believe the heroin the OP describes is similar to what we have around here. White powdered fluffy flakey dope that sniffs really smooth, tastes of strong d, and mixes up often 100% translucent with a hue similar to that of apple juice or ginger-ale. If you mix the dope up with cold water, you'll see that even prior to filtering it's practically perfect. When you filter your shot your cotton will not only remain debris free, but suffer practically no discoloring, like you often see with dirtier dope turning a white cotton to a brown dirty ball.

That being said, either you sniff it or you shoot it. It is rarely smoked because it simply does not smoke well. If you ever decide to try it you'll quickly realize why people feel like that. It is, however, great for sniffing. It's super easy on the nose, nice tasting, and gives you the longer duration of the high if compared to smoking or shooting. And eating it is not even worth mentioning. The only thing that will make a man eat his heroin are the fuzz.

 

[Swain]

Putting it in a joint or anything of the sort is very inefficient for a multitude of reasons. The direct flame or ember on the end of the joint would be burning the heroin and the method of delivery is very inefficient, because even as you are holding in your hit, more of the joint is burning. Heroin users want to use the most efficient method of delivery.. any loss is really not acceptable.

I believe the heroin the OP describes is similar to what we have around here. White powdered fluffy flakey dope that sniffs really smooth, tastes of strong d, and mixes up often 100% translucent with a hue similar to that of apple juice or ginger-ale. If you mix the dope up with cold water, you'll see that even prior to filtering it's practically perfect. When you filter your shot your cotton will not only remain debris free, but suffer practically no discoloring, like you often see with dirtier dope turning a white cotton to a brown dirty ball.

That being said, either you sniff it or you shoot it. It is rarely smoked because it simply does not smoke well. If you ever decide to try it you'll quickly realize why people feel like that. It is, however, great for sniffing. It's super easy on the nose, nice tasting, and gives you the longer duration of the high if compared to smoking or shooting. And eating it is not even worth mentioning. The only thing that will make a man eat his heroin are the fuzz.

wow man thanks for acknowledging that, but alright then...no direct heat but it being #4 can it go on foil and what of the toxic leukoencephalopathy they say arises from chasing, would anyone know of that. the reason why, why make a new thread when its here i guess

I have read bits and pieces here and there regarding either cancer, or some illness related to a toxin tin foil puts off if burned as the above poster mentions. I do not recall if that name is accurate or not, or how common the illness is and if it is an phenomena related to all the tin foil across the board or only certain brands. But to me, that is good enough reason to avoid smoking herion and sniff it. I would never urge someone to shoot it, but if you are an IV user already, by all means shoot it. If not, I hear the next best thing is to plug it. I have never heard someone who has tried deem it to be a worthless route of administration. Most of the 'plugging' enthusiasts swear by it. Personally, I think it's too much work not to mention something that must be done in total privacy.

Honestly if it was white powdered dope I was working with and my choices were limited to either smoking it or plugging it, I would definitely plug it.

 

[heavyriffer]

alright im satisfied hahaha

 

[buttershots21]

And because of the government propaganda hate machine on all things heroin, I have to rely on some douche bag making the shit not to put something in there that would probably kill me, like fentanyl (had a good friend go from that one).

People put fentanyl in H? WTF for? My God, that would kill anybody!! It's not exactly easy to get a hold of, or cheaper as a cut, so Why ffs? I have thought about scoring some H on occasion just to try it and see how it compares to the pills I take, but after reading all the shit about pesticides, or dewormers, and now Fent? No thanks, I think I'll just stick to my pharms and just be sick as a dog when that's not available. WD's suck, but not as much as being dead does. Peace and be safe all!

 

[Swain]

People put fentanyl in H? WTF for? My God, that would kill anybody!! It's not exactly easy to get a hold of, or cheaper as a cut, so Why ffs? I have thought about scoring some H on occasion just to try it and see how it compares to the pills I take, but after reading all the shit about pesticides, or dewormers, and now Fent? No thanks, I think I'll just stick to my pharms and just be sick as a dog when that's not available. WD's suck, but not as much as being dead does. Peace and be safe all!

What part of the country are you in.

Honestly that shit is propaganda, bullshit, or an extreme rarity. I have never heard of anything involving pesticides or dewormers. But if such an incident does exist, it's extremely rare. Heroin is a multi-million dollar industry. Why start poisoning your customers and instilling fear in them? Like does it make sense? Ok we have some heroin, we can either sell it as is, or try and poison our customers to make sure they never ever come back. Hmm on one hand you can have a customer for life.. on the other fuck em poison them.

Fentanyl, while there have been cases of heroin being cut with it, is a VERY uncommon cut. Again.. these drugs are not free.. to what benefit would adding a pharmaceutical that can not be manufactured in a clandestine lab, but that actually costs money and is professionally made. A lot of the time people claim fent in the heroin, and they just have some fire dope. If there was fent in your dope, the high is very short-lived compared to H, legs are non existant, but if it is cut with fent and you are not doing a tester shot you probably won't experience the legs as you'll be woke up when they narcan you lol.

The dewormer and pesticide shit is totally bull.. I mean I am not sure where you are from, but around here, I have never even in my whole history of dope buying, bought dope that was straight up fake. I have got garbage, low quality, but I never got bags filled with salt or some bullshit. I'll tell you this, when heroin is broken down into the nick bags they sell in north jersey they package the bundles by the tens of thousands. If there was a bad batch with a deadly cut word would hit the news so quick, people would be dropping like flies i am talking easily hu ndreds of deaths. And Like I said before.. think about a single customer who spends lest say 500 a week on average.. for fucking LIFE!! with a few clean years here and there.. Or kill your customer off....hmm/

 

[Ashley26]

So quick question, when you snort heroin and experience the nasty drip taste a few minutes later, does that mean you snorted it poorly? Or I did it right? That taste us horrible!

 

[tricomb]

People put fentanyl in H? WTF for? My God, that would kill anybody!! It's not exactly easy to get a hold of, or cheaper as a cut, so Why ffs? I have thought about scoring some H on occasion just to try it and see how it compares to the pills I take, but after reading all the shit about pesticides, or dewormers, and now Fent? No thanks, I think I'll just stick to my pharms and just be sick as a dog when that's not available. WD's suck, but not as much as being dead does. Peace and be safe all!

Yes, fentanyl is becoming an inceasingly used cut, as it is cheap, and "mimics" the effects of heroin.

I have read bits and pieces here and there regarding either cancer, or some illness related to a toxin tin foil puts off if burned as the above poster mentions. I do not recall if that name is accurate or not, or how common the illness is and if it is an phenomena related to all the tin foil across the board or only certain brands. But to me, that is good enough reason to avoid smoking herion and sniff it. I would never urge someone to shoot it, but if you are an IV user already, by all means shoot it. If not, I hear the next best thing is to plug it. I have never heard someone who has tried deem it to be a worthless route of administration. Most of the 'plugging' enthusiasts swear by it. Personally, I think it's too much work not to mention something that must be done in total privacy.

Honestly if it was white powdered dope I was working with and my choices were limited to either smoking it or plugging it, I would definitely plug it.

Definitely, plugging is the way to go. I wouldn't smoke powder heroin on foil, forgive me, having known tar heroin all my life I always assume smoking = tar, I forgot this thread was about powder H. But tar is best smoked on foil, you just have to burn off the chemicals they spray it with first, so you don't inhale the oxidized aluminum which contributes to Alzheimers.