tren ace & test prop

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Talamant3z

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anyone ever ran the combo? im going to run 500mg test and 400mg tren i have ran 2 cycles of test cyp before and this is a big upgrade im at 181 and 12%bf anyone have any tips or how was the sides?
 
It's an excellent stack, one of my favorites (with a few tweaks). If this is your first time using tren, I suggest starting at a lower dose to see how you react to the sides. I would start at 250mg EW and see how that works. The beauty with ace is that you can adjust your dose on the fly. If it was tren enan, if you take too much....you are stuck dealing with the sides for several weeks until the shit clears your system.

How long do you plan on running this stack? And what's your PCT plan? Just keep in mind that tren and nolva DO NOT mix, or any other 19nor for that matter (deca). I'd also suggest running some HCG and an AI along side your cycle if you have not planned to do so all ready.

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i was going to run for 6-8 weeks depending on sides would it be better to break it up into 2 small cycles ? also i was going to run nolva but if u say it doesnt mix what do u suggest? also i am running hcg and Cabergoline and adex my buddy is the home brewer so he is telling what to run but if u have any suggestion please post
 
Taking Nolva and Tren together can really be very counterproductive. Do a little research and you will see why 19nors do not mix with nolva. All you need for PCT is good old Clomid. That's it. Be sure to start taking the adex day 1 of your cycle until you are done with PCT and you will be fine. Your far better off with 8 weeks as opposed to 6. 6 weeks cycles are usually only for pre-show/contests. You can begin PCT sooner if you are running all short esters like prop and ace. Good luck.


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Tren is awesome stuff, no doubt. Great cycle for mass. I have only used it a few times, but boy it turned me into a beast (I got well over 280lbs). Sides are def a bit rough though, it was the only steroid that gave me moderate acne on my back and chest as well.
 
you will love this stAck, aLthough i prefer tren e over tren a, As i don't like pinning ed or eod.
 
VictorZ06 said:
It's an excellent stack, one of my favorites (with a few tweaks). If this is your first time using tren, I suggest starting at a lower dose to see how you react to the sides. I would start at 250mg EW and see how that works. The beauty with ace is that you can adjust your dose on the fly. If it was tren enan, if you take too much....you are stuck dealing with the sides for several weeks until the shit clears your system.

How long do you plan on running this stack? And what's your PCT plan? Just keep in mind that tren and nolva DO NOT mix, or any other 19nor for that matter (deca). I'd also suggest running some HCG and an AI along side your cycle if you have not planned to do so all ready.

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I disagree with the bold/underlined part because tren increases prolactin vs progesterone. Nolva is also an "antilactogen" as well as "anti estrogen" which prevents prolactin from attaching to the breast tissue.

*Edit - I guess I should explain a little further. Deca's effects have shown to increase progesterone more so than prolactin, while nolvas ability to upregulare the PR could or could not have a true effect on us, it also does not actually handle the issue of both progesterone AND estrogen. Since higher estrogen is going to further any negative reactions in the body with progest, then an AI would be better suited for this purpose vs a SERM.

So basically, to handle estrogen and progesterone problems, start with an AI. If you are lactating, throw in some Nolva to stop it as quickly as possible to allow caber/prami to do its job.
 
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maakshif said:
I disagree with the bold/underlined part because tren increases prolactin vs progesterone. Nolva is also an "antilactogen" as well as "anti estrogen" which prevents prolactin from attaching to the breast tissue.

*Edit - I guess I should explain a little further. Deca's effects have shown to increase progesterone more so than prolactin, while nolvas ability to upregulare the PR could or could not have a true effect on us, it also does not actually handle the issue of both progesterone AND estrogen. Since higher estrogen is going to further any negative reactions in the body with progest, then an AI would be better suited for this purpose vs a SERM.

So basically, to handle estrogen and progesterone problems, start with an AI. If you are lactating, throw in some Nolva to stop it as quickly as possible to allow caber/prami to do its job.
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If you are lactating, then the game changes.

Keep in mind, nolva will also lower IGF and HGH levels....and that's the last thing you want to do when your body is most vulnerable when going into PCT. Nolva is unpredictable and it's always a gamble when messing with it.

19's like tren and deca will shut you down hard....nolva is the last thing you want on the table, even though it may work....there are FAR better options and paths to take. If you took an AI properly during your cycle, nolva will probably never be needed. Clomid alone is all one needs for PCT (aside from the AI), no matter what the cycle was, IMHO.



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VictorZ06 said:
If you are lactating, then the game changes.

Keep in mind, nolva will also lower IGF and HGH levels....and that's the last thing you want to do when your body is most vulnerable when going into PCT. Nolva is unpredictable and it's always a gamble when messing with it.

19's like tren and deca will shut you down hard....nolva is the last thing you want on the table, even though it may work....there are FAR better options and paths to take. If you took an AI properly during your cycle, nolva will probably never be needed. Clomid alone is all one needs for PCT (aside from the AI), no matter what the cycle was, IMHO.



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this is why I went back and added the edited stuff...always start with an AI on cycle and avoid nolva at all costs imo...I like Clomid and Torem for PCT...gonna give some Raloxifene a go too as I've heard great stuff about it
 
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