Opioids Tramadol

[Mitchb105]

I like how Tramadol make me feel but I have noticed that it takes me 25 days of discomfort afterwards even after only a couple of days of 300mg per day use. Does anyone else have this problem?

 

[momotaro]

You are experiencing withdrawal symptoms. Is it only mental symptoms ie. feeling down, lethargic etc or also physical like diarrhea, stomache cramps etc ? How long have you been using tramadol, it's an important question for me to determine something? To answer your last question, well buddy welcome to the team, everybody here whether they like tramadol or some other opioid a little to much experienced what you are describing and even worse, much worse. As you are new to this, let me say this, if all you feel after stopping is some mental discomfort, maybe slight physical discomfort as it's all connected, to be frank with you: stop taking tramadol. It's not worth it and every time you stop it will get worse, your discomfort will turn into pain and a multitude of symptoms. Just google tramadol withdrawal or opioid withdrawal and you will get a picture. It's not worth chasing that high and if addiction sinks its claws into you, it takes like a really long time to get rid of it completely. First to just stop and then a long time to get back to your normal self. I've had this problem for several years, was really deep into it. Managed to get out,
change my outlook but i'm still not entirely free of it. So the faster you will get rid of that part of life, the better your future will be.

In the meantime you could write about yourself more, why tramadol? How long have you been doing it? Why? Have You used other opioids before? Maybe someone will help you sort yourself out or give you some good advice if you open up

small edit. It also maybe 'rebound syndrome' ie. You like how it makes you feel, im guessing it makes you happy? Well upon cessastion of use your organism goes into to shock to oversimplify and you get an inverse of what you were feeling when you took tramadol ie. feeling depressed , crappy etc and it takes 25 days for your body to return to baseline. Either that or it's withdrawal. I'm guessing you must've been doing your routine of taking it a couple days and stopping for at least a couple months?

 

[Mitchb105]

I have not used Tramadol in 3 years. I like the high but it is not worth it for a 25 day recovery period. I am having a dental surgery coming up but if I need more than Ibuprofen then I may use a little Codeine if necessary. I have decided that it is not worth the analgesia with Tramadol to get that sick about it. I remember that I like the Tramadol buzz but I remember how I get sick for 25 days afterwards.

 

[momotaro]

Good for you! With opioids even if you haven't used them for a while, using them imho more than 2 (3 sometimes is ok but it's the absolute limit) days in a row and keeping it up for a couple months/years is asking for trouble. Imho it's not sustainable, at first you only experience mental discomfort, then a minor physical wd, then you start counting days till your 'using' day comes. It all becomes a balancing act and imho it's not worth finding out if you can manage it. Ideally i feel you use maybe once a month, maybe once every two weeks.

 

[Mitchb105]

I find that even with a little codeine I experience a few days mild discomfort after a couple of days use. I am on a Butrans patch (low dose buprenorphine patch) and I believe that the use of additional opioids may cause discomfort. I will sincerely give Ibuprofen and acetaminophen a go for my upcoming dental surgery(2 implants).

 

[Dextro .45]

Being opioid naive, Tramadol is actually an amazing compound

An atypical weak opioid but with NET/SERT reuptake inhibit properties, a fabulous antidepressant & analgesic med

Tramadol 100mg
Oxy-IR 5mg
Ritalin 20mg
Xanax 1mg

Would be an insanely euphoric & pleasurable cocktail....robust mood-boosting & antidepressant properties, featuring dopaminergic stimulant & mu-opioid agonist & anxiolytic effects

You'd be in heaven lol

 

[Mitchb105]

Apparently Tramadol may be the worst dependency being one of the worst to kick. When I did Tramadol for the first time years ago I loved it but the rebound was always tough. I have read about the true dependency being almost impossible because of the anti depressant effects of the drug. I always have been leery of tramadol because of the tough rebound upon it wearing off. I love how tramadol makes me feel but it’s not worth the come down and most certainly not worth the dependency upon chronic use. My 2 cents.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

I was addicted/dependent on tramadol for 10 years.

People who shit on this drug don't really give it a chance. They either already have monsterous tolerances or don't have the right liver enzymes for it.

Tramadol was a wonder drug for me through out all of my 20's. But yeah the withdrawal is insane. I went through tramadol WD every month from the age of 19-29 or 30yrs old. The withdrawals typically lasted about 7 days, versus 3-5 like with heroin. And there's this mental component to it that makes you feel really detached & unwell.

I found that after a year or more of continuing to use tramadol, that I never actually truly felt "normal" ever again whenever I tried to stop for longer periods of time. I would literally become suicidal, writhe in agony & drink DXM cough syrup, vodka, etc.. for days/weeks until I could get the following months script filled.

25 days seems like a lot, but it's not impossible. Post-acute withdrawal syndrome is a very real thing as well & can last years, if not indefinitely.
That's why I eventually had to get on maintenance.

The reason you feel slight WDs when using other opioids on Butrans, is because Butrans is such a low dose of buprenorphine that it's allowing the other opioids to attach to your receptors. And then when you stop, your Butrans dose might not be enough bupe to cover the withdrawals.

I find bupe covers most of my tramadol withdrawals honestly, but it can some times take much higher doses than what you're getting through Butrans. And obviously buprenorphine isn't as enjoyable as tramadol, so even though the WDs are covered, I still feel pretty bummed for a few days after anyway, knowing that I'm out of the better opioid.

 

[Opana313]

Yeah I agree with death industrial...I went hard on trams for a very very long time and at least once a month..HELL. I get bad RLS coming off a 30mg roxi binge but to me it's nothing compared to trams. They definitely give me the worst leg pain and stomach pain/constant diarea..

I used to suit up with kratom and hella Loperamide to get to work(hard to recover when you can't call in because you already did too many call ins)but still always felt like complete shit and If I had benzos, taken during the day helped get relief but at least for me it made the lethargic part 100× worse, best to save that for at night for rls and brain zaps.

I'm sure I probably had sitting seizures where you space out or glitch while high as fuck or in a nod. They were amazing for energy and having that cool nod but I was taking 8-14 50mg pills a day probably...if I didn't have 4-6 50mg trams I'd be OK but hurting a bit as far as withdrawal goes.

But yes a cocktail like Tramadol, Ritalin and oxy along with a bar I was in heaven! In fact I made it a rule for myself to wait until tramadol is coming on good THEN I would snort some IR oxy and man then was great because it lands you in shoes of confidence.

I really think if tramadol never got handed out to everyone like candy back then when pain management for other opioids was just beginning..I would probably not still be on opioids today which was about a decade or more ago when I got hooked to daily tramadol......if this helps at all, my little cheat to get by the snri and opioid Wd or when I gave trams..I would simply find hydrocodone or codeine and try to use these daily instead of copping more trams. That way my receptors effected by the snri were not even noticeable while recovering because I was on a different opioid---NOW for anyone else reading sure this works but you are exchanging one drug for another and it would be WAY better off just to get yourself a nice healthy weed habit(because it's not a drug its a natural plant yeahhhh sorry hr). It gets us higher anyhow if you really think about it and pill addiction tolerance.

 

[Cult315]

Yeah I agree with death industrial...I went hard on trams for a very very long time and at least once a month..HELL. I get bad RLS coming off a 30mg roxi binge but to me it's nothing compared to trams. They definitely give me the worst leg pain and stomach pain/constant diarea..

I used to suit up with kratom and hella Loperamide to get to work(hard to recover when you can't call in because you already did too many call ins)but still always felt like complete shit and If I had benzos, taken during the day helped get relief but at least for me it made the lethargic part 100× worse, best to save that for at night for rls and brain zaps.

I'm sure I probably had sitting seizures where you space out or glitch while high as fuck or in a nod. They were amazing for energy and having that cool nod but I was taking 8-14 50mg pills a day probably...if I didn't have 4-6 50mg trams I'd be OK but hurting a bit as far as withdrawal goes.

But yes a cocktail like Tramadol, Ritalin and oxy along with a bar I was in heaven! In fact I made it a rule for myself to wait until tramadol is coming on good THEN I would snort some IR oxy and man then was great because it lands you in shoes of confidence.

I really think if tramadol never got handed out to everyone like candy back then when pain management for other opioids was just beginning..I would probably not still be on opioids today which was about a decade or more ago when I got hooked to daily tramadol......if this helps at all, my little cheat to get by the snri and opioid Wd or when I gave trams..I would simply find hydrocodone or codeine and try to use these daily instead of copping more trams. That way my receptors effected by the snri were not even noticeable while recovering because I was on a different opioid---NOW for anyone else reading sure this works but you are exchanging one drug for another and it would be WAY better off just to get yourself a nice healthy weed habit(because it's not a drug its a natural plant yeahhhh sorry hr). It gets us higher anyhow if you really think about it and pill addiction tolerance.

I vouch 1000% that tramadol is hell to come off of, even with other opiates I was still experiencing at the very least mild SNRI withdrawals. I’d be high as fuck on oxy and just feel weird as shit at the same time lol. At the end of my habit(it stayed like this for a long time, though) I was taking well over 1000mg. I lost count, all I knew is that by mid-day 20 pills had gone down the hatch and more kept coming. I was also on Adderall 30s through the entire addiction(as well as other stims when I’d run out), baseline obviously 30 but typically took between 60-120mg a day, I’d say the most usual dose was 90. MDMA use was very common when I’d run out, so it’s honestly kind of a miracle I never had a seizure or ended up with serotonin syndrome.

I feel like being on tramadol changed my personality(for the better), and once I was off them I wasn’t the same for a long time. Still never returned to being as outgoing as I was. I’ve always been social and had a ton of friends and even people I didn’t know liked me, but I’ve always been kind of a miserable prick and would beat the shit out of somebody just for looking at me wrong. On tramadol I was content, might even say happy, to do anything or talk to/hang with anybody and never had hostility build up in me for no reason. The shit honestly just made me a more pleasant person to be around lol

Kinda tells me I probably should have been on antidepressants when I was younger, but hey I self medicated with an SNRI at least. Not a good habit to have though, cause unless you have a lifetime supply it’s not fun to come off them, and you’ll eventually have to come off them. I thought my supply was a “lifetime” one, and while it definitely was not it I hadn’t eaten ~30+(my best guess lol) a day I’d probably still be sitting on at least a bottle of them.

 

[Explorer46]

I have never heard of this long discomfort after short period of use. Even after prolonged use, coming off should not take more than a week or two.

 

[Mitchb105]

The lengthy withdrawal is due to antidepressant abstinence syndrome. When I was on Paxil it took me several months to get off of. Pot takes me around 5 months of withdrawal symptoms. Opioid withdrawal takes me 3 to 5 days. I am currently on Butrans patch( low dose bupe equivalent 1.5 mg s/l per day) and I am afraid to stop it as it is supposed to be a lengthy withdrawal. As for Tramadol many people claim a good month or more of withdrawal. It is common.

 

[Explorer46]

Well, yes, but after prolonged use, like months or years. But this guy had 25 days of discomfort after a couple of days of use. That is unusual. In general, people react to tramadol quite differently, due to this opioid and antidepressant combined effect. I quit Paxil pretty easily (1-2 weeks), after 5 month of use only though. Of course, no Tramadol at that time. I heard people had different experiences, as you describe. 5 months sounds really like a lot.

 

[Explorer46]

Some herbal over the counter supplements could help you with Tramadol withdrawal:

Bacopa

Neuro Mag

5-HTP

L-Glutathione

Schisandra

Rodiola Rosea

DLPA

GABA

I've tried them all, I think they help, but do not expect a miracle.

 

[Mitchb105]

Actually marijuana is what takes me 5 months. My theory of why it takes me 25 days abstinent syndrome after 2 days use of Tramadol is that in 2 days the neuro receptors are activated and it takes me 25 days for the receptors to settle back to normal.It’s like smoking a cigarette after quitting for a while. You have to go through nicotine withdrawal all over again even after just one cigarette.

 

[momotaro]

Completely agree with Mitch,
I can vouch for that, was really deep into tramadol for a couple of years. Due to tolerance endend on 1000+mg doses. My first serious withdrawal attempt i felt slightly (and i mean slightly for real) better at 45 days, at 90 days i still felt lethargic, depressed, had some lingering physical symptoms like headaches esp at morning and at night and also other milder physical symptoms like allergic ones. Whether it was an acute snri withdrawal , paws or sth else i don't think really matters. Sure the acute opioid phase lasts anytime between 7-14 days, but like i said before if the addiction really sinks its claws in you or whether the wd process is longer due to the nature of tramadol as its an opioid and snri i don't. I can only speak from experience after those 3 months i started chipping, because i couldn't stand how i was feeling, which led to full relapse after a period of 5-6 months.

After i've decided enough, i started another one of my wd in a long list of my withdrawals, this time prepared both mentally, with knowledge and meds and this last one was brutal. It Followed basically the same pattern but i felt okay, better, whatever after 5-6 months.

Btw if any of you reading has a problem with tramadol or any opioid i would recommend giving Memantine (doses between 60-100mgs, altough test how you react to it if you havent had dissociatives before 20-40 mgs, shit can get weird) a chance, i stumbled upon in after i think plumbus_nine recommended it. Found it and it was to this day the only thing that enabled me to stay off tramadol longer than i was able before. Kratom , lyrica , benzos haven't given me that and only added to the problem.

 

[Explorer46]

Oh, I get it now. You used it for long time before, and then quit. So, now when you go back even for 1-2 days, you are back to where you left of... It makes sense, yes.

 

[momotaro]

Actually marijuana is what takes me 5 months. My theory of why it takes me 25 days abstinent syndrome after 2 days use of Tramadol is that in 2 days the neuro receptors are activated and it takes me 25 days for the receptors to settle back to normal.It’s like smoking a cigarette after quitting for a while. You have to go through nicotine withdrawal all over again even after just one cigarette.

Sorry to enquire but have you been doing the 2 day on 5 day off or do you do only 2 days in a month for a very long time or even couple months? Because what i've found that even if you use let's say 2 days on 5 days off you can get away with that for some time, but eventually you start to get minor physical wd after stopping, then cravings and counting days till your using days and it becomes and harder and harder to maintain the facade you've been trying to keep. If you've used only 2 days in a month and have a 25 day period where you feel like crap, then it's a little bit puzzling, but for me your Butrans patch complicates the picture of whats going on. Just personal curiosity, you don;t have to give specifics if you don't want to.

 

[Explorer46]

Personally, I've never been too good with that mixed approach, couple of days off, couple of days on. Either daily use, or nothing at all (or extremely rarely). Otherwise, it's like having mini withdrawals on regular basis. It is too much of a burden for the body and psyche.

 

[momotaro]

Exactly, i hear some people can do that, but i found the hard way, that i'm not one of those people. You can keep it, maybe even a year but at some point it becomes very hard. At one point i even bought a time locked safe, which was progress for me and kept me from abusing things. I even felt i made some progress but after some time i could only think about the time when i was going to use and sometimes when cravings got really bad i was thinking constantly of just destroying the safe (it was made of plastic). I never really did but after some time, i decided to just never let it close again.