RoboTekTonik
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Ive done some research and have a few ideas why my boyfriend experienced pure terror during an unexpected trip from Molly , tramadol, and hash. However Id like to hear others' opinions about the matter. Id guess serotonin syndrome or OD.
My boyfriend and I went to a rave this last saturday night. We both took about 6-7 caps of "molly" at .1 caps throughout the night (10pm-3am). The substance we took was said to be Molly, however, we are in no way sure of its contents.
We started off by taking 2. the come up was intense, yet the peak did not last nearly as long as when we usually roll. Probably about 20-30 mins. We lost track of how many we were taking, and by 3am we did the math and discovered we took 6-7, when our highest amount ever taken was 5 mints (we had never done all molly, usually mix molly and mints or just mints).
So, between 1-4am everything was great. We were mingling, talking with everyone, being goofy, in a complete euphoric state.
Around 4am, we left with a group of people, one of them being the guy that was selling us the caps all night. We went back to their apartment, chilled, and smoked some weed. Everything was going fine. For as many caps as I had taken, i noticed the come down was not as harsh as usual. I was still sociable, in a good mood, only negative side effect was losing my train of thought mid-sentence, or pretty much E-tarded for the night.
We all smoked some hash out of a bong. My boyfriend usually suffers a lot more during the comedown. He goes through a phase during the comedown where he has trouble speaking, or being social in any way. He can barely form coherent sentences for about an hour. then usually snaps out of it.
Well this night was different, and I cannot begin to describe how scary this was to witness. My boyfriend had been taking Tramadol for an injury for about a week. He took one about 4 hours before taking a Molly cap. Once he smoked weed, everything went from mellow to pure insanity for him. I noticed he wasn't talking at all and wasnt responding to people talking to him. He was spaced out staring at these paintings for about half an hour. I noticed the look on his face started changing , and the longer time went by the more frightened he looked. I asked him if he was okay a few times, he said ya and just kept staring.
I figured he was just having a bad comedown, so I just kind of left him alone. Then he became completely unresponsive to everyone, wouldn't look anyone in the eyes, and his face started getting red. After about half an hour 45 mins of this, he finally spoke up. He looked up at me, and I could barely even look at him...his eyes and face full of pure terror. Like he was experiencing hell inside his mind. He said "Theres something seriously wrong with my brain" over and over. "Im tripping. Im hallucinating like I am really tripping".
His voice was full of utter fear, and words cannot describe the look he had on his face. He began to have what I can only describe as psychotic episodes, or delirium. His behavior was similar to that of a schizophrenic. His face was red, eyes bugged out of his head, pupils dilated, shivering, horrible body and leg tremors, unable to respond verbally, unable to look anyone in the eyes. super paranoid, on edge, irritable, super anxious. Jaw and fists clenched shut. He finally stood up and was uncontrollably shaking, almost crying, repeating over and over "There is something seriously wrong with my brain! I dont know whats happening to me please help me!" He insisted he was going insane. This went on in phases for about 2 hours. Hed snap out of it for about 5 mins, able to talk normal, even made funny comments and made us all laugh. then he'd slip right back into insanity.
I had to force him to drink water. I was very soft spoken and calm when talking to him, and tried to assure him it was just a temporary state of mind and that itd soon pass. Every time he'd slip back into the episodes hed get worse and worse. At one point it took everything in me to keep from crying and freaking out.
The part that scared me most was his facial expression. If I had to guess from just looking at him Id say he was literally experiencing hell inside his mind.
I was stuck in a predicament b/c we were an hour away from home, and I didnt want to risk him having an episode in the car. So once his episodes calmed down a bit i drove him home.
Since then, he will barely talk to me about it. He said he felt like he was going insane. " I felt like a vegetable". The past few days hes been having horrible anxiety. He said he felt like he was really scared of something but didnt know what or why. He says theres still something wrong with his brain.
I cant begin to imagine what he was experiencing. My estimated diagnoses are: a REALLY bad trip, serotonin syndrome, or an overdose. From what hes told me and what I saw, Id say he was stuck in a very visual hallucination state, along with a delirious / paranoid state of mind, without the ability to form coherent thoughts in order to evaluate what he was experiencing. He also wasnt expecting to "trip" so I think added to his bad reaction. In my unprofessional opinion, his brain produced too much serotonin, and it sent him into a mental shock.
We both knew that you shouldnt take MDMA with MAOs or SSRI's, but had no idea that Tramadol was equally dangerous to mix.
So, has anyone else had a similar experience? Ive heard similar stories on LSD or 2cb and related chemicals, but never MDMA. Could anyone offer any ideas as to what caused this? Also, besides taking 5htp and vitamins after the fact, is there anything else that could help him back to normality?? I fear he has serotonin syndrome and may suffer long term anxiety or HPPD.
PS....This has been an immense wake up call and we are aware of our stupidity for letting this happen. I read the limit for MDMA should be no more than .5 g. We also really have no idea if what we took was MDMA.
I highly advise everyone: DO NOT TAKE MDMA, MDA, OR ANY DRUG THAT AFFECTS SEROTONIN IF YOU ARE TAKING ANY TYPE OF ANTIDEPRESSANT, SSRI, MAOs, TRAZADONE, TRAMADOL, FENTANYL, OXYCODONE, OR EVEN COUGH SYRUP WITH DXM.. From what Ive read, serotonin syndrome can permanently damage your brain or even cause a coma or death. Always research before mixing ANY type of drugs. If we had done some simple research my boyfriend could have avoided this horrible experience.
My boyfriend and I went to a rave this last saturday night. We both took about 6-7 caps of "molly" at .1 caps throughout the night (10pm-3am). The substance we took was said to be Molly, however, we are in no way sure of its contents.
We started off by taking 2. the come up was intense, yet the peak did not last nearly as long as when we usually roll. Probably about 20-30 mins. We lost track of how many we were taking, and by 3am we did the math and discovered we took 6-7, when our highest amount ever taken was 5 mints (we had never done all molly, usually mix molly and mints or just mints).
So, between 1-4am everything was great. We were mingling, talking with everyone, being goofy, in a complete euphoric state.
Around 4am, we left with a group of people, one of them being the guy that was selling us the caps all night. We went back to their apartment, chilled, and smoked some weed. Everything was going fine. For as many caps as I had taken, i noticed the come down was not as harsh as usual. I was still sociable, in a good mood, only negative side effect was losing my train of thought mid-sentence, or pretty much E-tarded for the night.
We all smoked some hash out of a bong. My boyfriend usually suffers a lot more during the comedown. He goes through a phase during the comedown where he has trouble speaking, or being social in any way. He can barely form coherent sentences for about an hour. then usually snaps out of it.
Well this night was different, and I cannot begin to describe how scary this was to witness. My boyfriend had been taking Tramadol for an injury for about a week. He took one about 4 hours before taking a Molly cap. Once he smoked weed, everything went from mellow to pure insanity for him. I noticed he wasn't talking at all and wasnt responding to people talking to him. He was spaced out staring at these paintings for about half an hour. I noticed the look on his face started changing , and the longer time went by the more frightened he looked. I asked him if he was okay a few times, he said ya and just kept staring.
I figured he was just having a bad comedown, so I just kind of left him alone. Then he became completely unresponsive to everyone, wouldn't look anyone in the eyes, and his face started getting red. After about half an hour 45 mins of this, he finally spoke up. He looked up at me, and I could barely even look at him...his eyes and face full of pure terror. Like he was experiencing hell inside his mind. He said "Theres something seriously wrong with my brain" over and over. "Im tripping. Im hallucinating like I am really tripping".
His voice was full of utter fear, and words cannot describe the look he had on his face. He began to have what I can only describe as psychotic episodes, or delirium. His behavior was similar to that of a schizophrenic. His face was red, eyes bugged out of his head, pupils dilated, shivering, horrible body and leg tremors, unable to respond verbally, unable to look anyone in the eyes. super paranoid, on edge, irritable, super anxious. Jaw and fists clenched shut. He finally stood up and was uncontrollably shaking, almost crying, repeating over and over "There is something seriously wrong with my brain! I dont know whats happening to me please help me!" He insisted he was going insane. This went on in phases for about 2 hours. Hed snap out of it for about 5 mins, able to talk normal, even made funny comments and made us all laugh. then he'd slip right back into insanity.
I had to force him to drink water. I was very soft spoken and calm when talking to him, and tried to assure him it was just a temporary state of mind and that itd soon pass. Every time he'd slip back into the episodes hed get worse and worse. At one point it took everything in me to keep from crying and freaking out.
The part that scared me most was his facial expression. If I had to guess from just looking at him Id say he was literally experiencing hell inside his mind.
I was stuck in a predicament b/c we were an hour away from home, and I didnt want to risk him having an episode in the car. So once his episodes calmed down a bit i drove him home.
Since then, he will barely talk to me about it. He said he felt like he was going insane. " I felt like a vegetable". The past few days hes been having horrible anxiety. He said he felt like he was really scared of something but didnt know what or why. He says theres still something wrong with his brain.
I cant begin to imagine what he was experiencing. My estimated diagnoses are: a REALLY bad trip, serotonin syndrome, or an overdose. From what hes told me and what I saw, Id say he was stuck in a very visual hallucination state, along with a delirious / paranoid state of mind, without the ability to form coherent thoughts in order to evaluate what he was experiencing. He also wasnt expecting to "trip" so I think added to his bad reaction. In my unprofessional opinion, his brain produced too much serotonin, and it sent him into a mental shock.
We both knew that you shouldnt take MDMA with MAOs or SSRI's, but had no idea that Tramadol was equally dangerous to mix.
So, has anyone else had a similar experience? Ive heard similar stories on LSD or 2cb and related chemicals, but never MDMA. Could anyone offer any ideas as to what caused this? Also, besides taking 5htp and vitamins after the fact, is there anything else that could help him back to normality?? I fear he has serotonin syndrome and may suffer long term anxiety or HPPD.
PS....This has been an immense wake up call and we are aware of our stupidity for letting this happen. I read the limit for MDMA should be no more than .5 g. We also really have no idea if what we took was MDMA.
I highly advise everyone: DO NOT TAKE MDMA, MDA, OR ANY DRUG THAT AFFECTS SEROTONIN IF YOU ARE TAKING ANY TYPE OF ANTIDEPRESSANT, SSRI, MAOs, TRAZADONE, TRAMADOL, FENTANYL, OXYCODONE, OR EVEN COUGH SYRUP WITH DXM.. From what Ive read, serotonin syndrome can permanently damage your brain or even cause a coma or death. Always research before mixing ANY type of drugs. If we had done some simple research my boyfriend could have avoided this horrible experience.
