Tragedy I am stuck on. Need an opinion plz

I lost my long post. :(


Whats the most you can get her in for gross negligence?

The sitter is attending school right now, something about that I, I was told that she cannot get jail time for what she did. Most likely it will be just a slap on the wrist, or a small money settlement from the sitters parents. Which really upsets me since I would love to watch her go to jail.
 
Who knows what preventable measures kept something like this from happening in the past. The babysitter should have been at the house when thats what she was paid to be doing, thats what the whole point of having a babysitter is. IMO you dont leave a 10 year old alone like that for that long, especially a child with autism.

Shelbys room had a little sliding bolt lock on the outside of the door so my aunt and uncle could lock her door from the outside at nighttime when it was time to sleep.
The sitter checked on her before she left, she did not lock the outside lock either. But the kicker was that she left the sliding back door open also. Video showed the party going into the backyard also and they never shut the backdoor either. My cousin could never slide open the big sliding glass door to the backyard. So with one door unlocked and the slider wide open she just walked out back and went in the pool.
 
Thank you all for the great advice. I will be talking to my uncle the most about this, he is taking me to Mexico to "become a man" in a month lol. I hope we have a heart to heart about everything that has happened and I hope he can stay married thru all this.

My mom always had told me and my other cousin that we would be taking care of shelby once my parents and uncle and aunt were old and gone. We would have never let her live in facility, I just wish she didnt pass. Her living how she was, was better than dying too soon in any case.

""""I am sorry to hear of your loss, but it is possible to look at what happened as a good thing. She was unable to communicate to anyone. As she would grow older, her life would certainly only become more difficult, especially when her parents became too old to care for her. She would inevitably wind up in a long-term treatment facility far away from the rest of her family and without the numerous freedoms she was able to enjoy as a child. Who knows what her life would be like when it would come time for her parents to die. Perhaps it was a good thing that Shelby left early in her life when she seemed to have the best childhood going for her. ---graugeist""""

That just hurt me because you just don't get it. You can say it might be better she died. How do you know that in years of therapy that she couldn't learn how to communicate better??
Being dead is not better than being alive, no matter how Autistic she was.:\
 
Being dead is not better than being alive, no matter how Autistic she was.:\

That's what I was trying to get across in my previous post.. When you love something or someone, it's still something you've lost and rationalising it in such a way isn't as easy as it sounds, nor is it as straight forward. It's still a life to love and cherish and worthy of living and being loved by her family.

I went for a walk last night and walked into a shopping centre last night and this glint caught my eye at a little jewelry stall. When i looked at it closer, it was a gorgeous silver dragonfly necklace and it made me think of this thread and think of Shelby. I didn't know her, nor do I know the OP, but the story really touched me.

Sending my love to you and to Shelby. She knows you love her, OP.
 
Exactly why is being dead not better than being alive, or vice versa? The saying "there are worse things than death" comes to mind.

I'm sorry for your loss. The way I see it, were all going to die someday, its pretty insignificant if its now or 60 years from now to the person who actually died. Its only the family and friends who suffer. I don't think you have reason to feel bad for your cousin, but coming to some peace within yourself is the same journey we are all on. For me, death is just another phenomenon. It is not dark or scary to me, but I have a tenancy to miss the dead.

Death is beautiful in my eyes.
 
How come all this mental illnesses are only in America????
I've never heard of anyone in my country to suffer from autism, ADHD,Asperger, dyslexia,Tourette syndrome,etc..
Oh, sure there are crazy people but they are usually locked away in nut-houses and stuff.

For the OP:
-the biggest advantage of living in America is that you can sue anyone for pretty much everything. Money won't take your pain away but it's better to suffer and be rich than to suffer and be broke...
 
^ are you kidding me?

First of all, this isnt a post on autism. That is beside the point. Second, the rest of the world has birth defects, if you can even call autism that.

Americans eat too much sugar and don't exercise enough, simple as that.

coldest post bro...

Plz dont reply to this, or anyone for that matter. I don't want to derail this.
 
My cousin, Shelby. She was Autistic. Born 10 years ago into a well off family, she was the only child and had everything she could have ever wanted, and access to any treatment. She could not talk to us, she would use her hands and sounds to show her emotions like clapping if she was upset.

She would go to school with kids like her and have special activities and such. She belonged to a horse riding club for Autistic children. They would ride every weekend as sort of physical therapy, and she just loved going their.
Shelby also loved to swim, they had a big pool and she would use a life jacket and swim almost everyday. She just enjoyed life, in her own unique way.
Her father, my uncle works very hard and travels the world all the time for his corporation.

They would have a baby sitter some times when they both would be gone, she would even stay the night some times. This baby sitter was 19 years old, female young college student.

My aunt and uncle were going to Italy in November 09, and the baby sitter was to stay their a few nights and take care of Shelby. The second night the sitter invites some friends over to party at their house, so she locks Shelby in her room and doesn't think twice.

The party leaves the house at 3am (they have a camera outside the house) and the sitter goes too, they go to Denny's to eat. The sitter unlocks Shelbys door before she leaves and makes sure she is okay, and everything was. So she leaves to Denny's.

The sitter comes back at 6am. And finds the back door open to the backyard. Goes outside and finds my baby cousin at the bottom of the pool. Shelby just wanted to do what she loved, swim. She had nobody to watch her and she drowned all alone that night. 10 years old and she was taken away from us, just like that.

We had a funeral and her tombstone is now up on the hill with the family. I was one of the ones to carry the casket. We laid her casket down above the hole and we begin to pray..all of a sudden a baby dragonfly flies up and lands on my hand. It's her, I just know it coming back to tell me she is okay now and in heaven.. I now have a tattoo of a dragonfly and Shelby under it. A few of my family members also got the same tattoo.
This tragedy has ruined my Aunt and Uncles 15 years marriage, they are soon going to divorce.

A court date is coming up soon for the sitter who is being charged with gross negligence. I just cannot come to peace with this at all, it troubles me all the time. This sitter went out and left a Autistic child alone.. I am so upset that I didn't have enough time to spend with Shelby and really get to know how she was.

Any advice on how I could get thru this time of my life?
Find peace?
Any advice would help me,
Thanks


I'm so sorry.

I have a 22 year old autistic brother who also cannot communicate, and this just angers me, the lack of thinking of people, resulting in needless deaths. A young life, people with autism already have so much innocence about them, they never hurt anyone, they don't cheat people, they don't do all the things us "normal" people often do - (I use the word normal as in people without a disability that causes inability to speak etc);

Well I dont want to rant; Rest In Peace to Shelby, as for advice? Think about her smiles, think about those wonderful 10 years. Think about the love she received, whenever you gave her a hug. Think of all the quirks you may have found annoying at one time, but now realize they were cute, and it was what made Shelby, Shelby. I know exactly what having a severely autistic sibling is like, my best wishes are with you to stay strong.

Colmes
 
^ are you kidding me?

First of all, this isnt a post on autism. That is beside the point. Second, the rest of the world has birth defects, if you can even call autism that.

Americans eat too much sugar and don't exercise enough, simple as that.

coldest post bro...

Plz dont reply to this, or anyone for that matter. I don't want to derail this.

Its not worth even acknowledging such ignorance, its only fueling it. If you pretend like the post does not exist, and other people follow suit, it falls behind quickly, and essentially becomes a post that never existed.


And since I dont want to quote him---------- he mentions "Aspergers" as a syndrome people have in whatever country hes from - does he know what it is? Its on the autism spectrum, these people can function, but have great difficulty in social situations, amongst other learning disabilities, and other Aspergers-related personality traits. So if his carelessness didn't prove his ignorance, that sure does.
 
Genovese? i dont know where you are from but mental illness is a HUMAN disease. there are sick peeople all over the world. As for all you who say the "babysitter" should not be punished obviously have no human compassion or understanding. This was Totally preventable. To the OP I hope you can get through this and you will be stronger after the storm has cleared. I really wish you and your family the best.

Much love<3

Jd
 
Well its fine, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, i have my views, and you have yours.:\
 
Punishment and retribution are totally preventable as well.

I agree, but I think that a girl should have to pay in some way for her negligence. I am not saying we turn her into a hardened criminal by sending her to jail with dyke rapists, but she should have to PAY! We all have to pay our dues and now she has more dues to pay. Thats what fucking happens when u choose partying over being a honest person.

Your quote implies that we should not have a justice system, but what if someone did that to your daughter or son. Wouldnt you want them to learn a lessonÉ
 
That is absolutely fucking horrible. That story truly touched me in an unbelievable way, and I'm pretty wasted right now...
Words are no use in situations involving death, especially preventable deaths like this one... Just try and find some form of comfort in the way she died, doing something she enjoyed rather than being fataly trapped by the disability that rendered her so invulnerable to the general stresses of life... And that the person who involuntarily perpetrated her death is getting what was undeniably what was coming to her, if she regularly showed that degree of negligence.
 
That is absolutely fucking horrible. That story truly touched me in an unbelievable way, and I'm pretty wasted right now...
Words are no use in situations involving death, especially preventable deaths like this one... Just try and find some form of comfort in the way she died, doing something she enjoyed rather than being fataly trapped by the disability that rendered her so invulnerable to the general stresses of life... And that the person who involuntarily perpetrated her death is getting what was undeniably what was coming to her, if she regularly showed that degree of negligence.

YES. exactly. She died doing what she loved.. My family all talked about that fact, she left us her own way. Like she didnt want us to worry about taking care of her and she went to heaven to wait for us.
all these responses are really helping. <3
 
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I went for a walk last night and walked into a shopping centre last night and this glint caught my eye at a little jewelry stall. When i looked at it closer, it was a gorgeous silver dragonfly necklace and it made me think of this thread and think of Shelby. I didn't know her, nor do I know the OP, but the story really touched me.

Sending my love to you and to Shelby. She knows you love her, OP.

Wow, that makes me feel so good. That this story touched someone else. At night all alone you saw a dragonfly and it brought this to mind.
Thats really touching. thanks

My mom just came home from down south, she went on an airplane. She just told me the story (4 hours ago) that on her flight back, right before they took off. She looked out the window and a dragonfly flew up to the window, hovered for a few seconds then took off. She said it was like Shelby was their looking out for her before her flight.. It brought me to tears, the dragonfly will always touch my heart. I know I will see more thought my life and it will always remind me like she is watching over me :D
 
Wow, that makes me feel so good. That this story touched someone else. At night all alone you saw a dragonfly and it brought this to mind.
Thats really touching. thanks

My mom just came home from down south, she went on an airplane. She just told me the story (4 hours ago) that on her flight back, right before they took off. She looked out the window and a dragonfly flew up to the window, hovered for a few seconds then took off. She said it was like Shelby was their looking out for her before her flight.. It brought me to tears, the dragonfly will always touch my heart. I know I will see more thought my life and it will always remind me like she is watching over me :D

Wow, some strange things can happen after someone close to you dies. It helps you feel at peace and gives you an indication that she's looking out for you. I wish i'd known her because she sounds like an amazing little girl..

Be safe and keep her in your heart and use her as your inspiration in whatever you do so that you make her proud and show her that her death wasnt in vain.
 
That is a tragedy indeed, not a situation or event, beyond that. I really feel for you, which I admit I can be incapable of doing sometimes, to be honest.

I'll be blunt and not pretend there can solely be positive things you can do without ignoring the inevitable negatives that comes with such a tragedy. But there are things to help, of course, but I feel it's also best to be knowledgeable (let it be obvious or not, I just want to make sure by informing you what I know of such) about what cannot be prevented.

Grief and mourning is obviously going to be inevitable (duh, it's already happening). It is honestly not something you will truly get over, but time will help at least forget the frequency of the memory. It can also dull the extent of the pain but not enough as to view it purely objectively. It will stay with you forever, but I find with a likely long-ass period of time, the pain is quite faded away to the point where it appears not to be a difficult subject to talk about unless you are traumatized, as unintentionally callous as that sounds. The overt, acute pain (upon reflection) will still probably be with you for longer (how long cannot really be answered) than most typical loved-one deaths given the very unfortunate situations behind this. That's a component of death, to guarantee the necessary pain in life. And by necessary, you can view it as life-destroying by how you react or you can view it as a way of making the happy moments even more profound due to the increased contrast. Even if you have an inclination toward the former, please do everything in your power to habituate yourself to the latter way of thinking.

Obviously time is the greatest healer. But not quite entirely heal in the traditional sense as there will still be scar tissue (which fade away as well but stay with you regardless). There is not much to do but to simply wait out the ride. If done right (which I will address as best as I can in the following sentence(s), it can be quite a healthy and life-changing experience. I'm sure you already know the basics of that, such as therapy being helpful, talking to other family members, etc. What I can say for sure though, is what NOT to do.

-Do NOT self-medicate under any circumstance, this will interfere with the grieving process and guarantee you a ticket for an even worse ride by having long-term negative interference. And of course, the tendency to reinforce the possibility of addiction.

-Do NOT avoid the subject completely (sometimes is fine, if it gets extremely overpowering). It is okay to think about this. Don't deny or ignore it entirely as tempting as it may. I have done this and it hurts me a lot more long-term compared to the situations where I did stare the pain in the face without fear. I personally don't think avoidance is necessarily a good thing. Recognizing your pain, the source of your pain, and reacting to it how your body/mind wants to (which is variable in certain individuals and circumstances) is catharsis. Catharsis is absolute key. Not repression.

By the way, plenty of philosophy will most likely come to you, the type of philosophy that can be conflicted and contradictory but worth taking into consideration the most out of others' (not that they aren't extremely helpful and to be ignored) as it is applicable to you in and of itself. I think the philosophical justification tend to go away once grief has dissipated though, as the subject is infamous for being amongst the most complicated and irresolvable to the point of not even bothering anymore. This isn't a guarantee, most of what I'm saying are just possibilities; it surely true that you do get a deeper insight to life based on the fact this is such a unique experience amongst others, and it is easily a situation in a life to learn from this and better yourself in many ways (dealing with stress, having deeper insight as to the possibilities of life, having a more intimate encounter with death as to make you fear it at least a little less, etc).

Look to the future.

I hope I helped, if I didn't, I apologize and tried my best to do such, don't take it personally.
My condolences.
 
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That is a tragedy indeed, not a situation or event, beyond that. I really feel for you, which I admit I can be incapable of doing sometimes, to be honest.

I'll be blunt and not pretend there can solely be positive things you can do without ignoring the inevitable negatives that comes with such a tragedy. But there are things to help, of course, but I feel it's also best to be knowledgeable (let it be obvious or not, I just want to make sure by informing you what I know of such) about what cannot be prevented.

Grief and mourning is obviously going to be inevitable (duh, it's already happening). It is honestly not something you will truly get over, but time will help at least forget the frequency of the memory. It can also dull the extent of the pain but not enough as to view it purely objectively. It will stay with you forever, but I find with a likely long-ass period of time, the pain is quite faded away to the point where it appears not to be a difficult subject to talk about unless you are traumatized, as unintentionally callous as that sounds. The overt, acute pain (upon reflection) will still probably be with you for longer (how long cannot really be answered) than most typical loved-one deaths given the very unfortunate situations behind this. That's a component of death, to guarantee the necessary pain in life. And by necessary, you can view it as life-destroying by how you react or you can view it as a way of making the happy moments even more profound due to the increased contrast. Even if you have an inclination toward the former, please do everything in your power to habituate yourself to the latter way of thinking.

Obviously time is the greatest healer. But not quite entirely heal in the traditional sense as there will still be scar tissue (which fade away as well but stay with you regardless). There is not much to do but to simply wait out the ride. If done right (which I will address as best as I can in the following sentence(s), it can be quite a healthy and life-changing experience. I'm sure you already know the basics of that, such as therapy being helpful, talking to other family members, etc. What I can say for sure though, is what NOT to do.

-Do NOT self-medicate under any circumstance, this will interfere with the grieving process and guarantee you a ticket for an even worse ride by having long-term negative interference. And of course, the tendency to reinforce the possibility of addiction.

-Do NOT avoid the subject completely (sometimes is fine, if it gets extremely overpowering). It is okay to think about this. Don't deny or ignore it entirely as tempting as it may. I have done this and it hurts me a lot more long-term compared to the situations where I did stare the pain in the face without fear. I personally don't think avoidance is necessarily a good thing. Recognizing your pain, the source of your pain, and reacting to it how your body/mind wants to (which is variable in certain individuals and circumstances) is catharsis. Catharsis is absolute key. Not repression.

By the way, plenty of philosophy will most likely come to you, the type of philosophy that can be conflicted and contradictory but worth taking into consideration the most out of others' (not that they aren't extremely helpful and to be ignored) as it is applicable to you in and of itself. I think the philosophical justification tend to go away once grief has dissipated though, as the subject is infamous for being amongst the most complicated and irresolvable to the point of not even bothering anymore. This isn't a guarantee, most of what I'm saying are just possibilities; it surely true that you do get a deeper insight to life based on the fact this is such a unique experience amongst others, and it is easily a situation in a life to learn from this and better yourself in many ways (dealing with stress, having deeper insight as to the possibilities of life, having a more intimate encounter with death as to make you fear it at least a little less, etc).

Look to the future.

I hope I helped, if I didn't, I apologize and tried my best to do such, don't take it personally.
My condolences.

That helped so much. you have no clue..
When I leave in months to Mexico with my uncle, I will deff bring this up. Some middle ground that I can talk to him to help both our healing hearts. this has helped me so much, with info as to what I should do to make peace with what happened.. Your's and many other responses helped me exponentially.
Thank you so, soo much. <3
 
I'm so sorry to hear about your family's loss.

A lot of times it helps to adopt a cause in a person's honor, and in your case this would be something along the lines of preventing irresponsible baby sitters from being able to care for children. Knowing that you can help other people avoid this kind of tragedy almost always helps people through this kind of situation.

I hope all of you eventually find peace. It's great that you believe she is in a better place now, and this will, of course, help as well.
 
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