took sub this morning, copped H this afternoon . WTF?

Not trying to give advice, but maybe you should try psychedelics. LSD works, cant speak for ibogaine. But I dont know maybe you need to trip out and look at the bigger picture. Maybe you'll find out that you dont mind doing what your doing, who knows.
 
i cant imagine tripping while dopesick . sounds terrible

No one suggested to do it while you were dopesick.

Even if it is "terrible", it doesn't mean it still can't be a constructive, overall positive experience for your life. Heroin withdrawal was terrible but I got through it OK, and I have been enjoying life without heroin for close to two years now. I wouldn't go back to it for anything.
 
CH did your kicking heroin have anything to do with psychedelics?

EDIT: I haven't mentioned this here yet but I might as well..

I smoked DMT right before the beginning of Octsober for the first time at a high dose. I haven't done any sort of drugs since then, nor have I had any inclination too. It removed my desire to drink as well. It was by far the most enlightening experience of my life. Not only have I not used drugs, I have a renewed sense of self and outlook on life.

I also have some Iboga I might try sometime in the future. The DMT had such a profound effect on me though I don't plan on trying the Iboga anytime soon.
 
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SO explain how did it get you to not want to do any more drugs since it was so great id think you would want to do the DMT again ? LOL
 
I wrote a trip report about it jake if you want to check it out in the trip reports forum.

Anyway, I didn't say it was "great". It was the most terrifying thing that has ever happened to me, bordering on dysphoric. However, it was *incredibly* enlightening and I don't regret doing it at all -- but no way I'm doing it again anytime soon. Once was more then enough...
 
I read this thread until about page 5 and sorry to be blunt, but its clear that this guy doesnt want to get clean, he wants attention and thats it.


Regardless, good luck jake.
 
CH did your kicking heroin have anything to do with psychedelics?
I attribute it more to will power and Suboxone. Psychedelics had a role in allowing myself to see the bigger picture, and also why life without heroin is a great thing. That's part of why I have chosen to stay clean for this long, because I would rather get to use acid, or mushrooms, once or twice a month, even a year... than be using heroin in any quantity/frequency. Even if you had an endless supply, heroin addiction still isn't pleasant IMO.
 
I read this thread until about page 5 and sorry to be blunt, but its clear that this guy doesnt want to get clean, he wants attention and thats it.

you are 100 percent WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to get clean but i have not had the strength to do it
 
Yeh the hallucinogen thing never made quite a lot of sense to me either. But after I started reading about how ibogaine works by "psychologically interupting" an addiction I started to look back on my very few experiences with hallucinogens in the past.

And I do actually remember even when I had terrible experiences (like with salvia) they DO in fact have incredibly profound influences on the way you think. I remember for like a week after I did the salvia I felt this weird sort of "psychological glow". A lot of things that were confusing before all a sudden made sense. I'm not quite sure how psychedelics have this effect, when the experience itself can be confusing and sometimes even traumatic. But they take you sooooo far out of reality, that it seems your paradigm actually shifts on it own just because nobody is actually "beind the wheel" when you're on them.

I'd come back to sanity, and I'd feel so clearheaded, like things were so simple, and I'd have no real clue why I felt that way. So I do definitely see how it could be useful for some, just that after a week or 2 I'd usually revert right back to my old ways of thinking/looking at life. I also know that ibogaine allegedly creates a state of "intense psychological introspection", a state where everything in your life makes sense, and you can see all the solutions to your problems clearly, but I still think most people would just revert right back to who they were before the experience.
Or maybe I just haven't done psychedelics enough for it to be a permanent shift in thinking. And it also kinda of scares me that maybe my mind will take a shift that winds up making things worse. You can't always assume its impact will be "positive", as its a very unstable/subjective experience, so thats why I don't really entertain doing them anymore. Not to mention that a lot of people I meet now and days who have heavily abused psychedelics, all seem like they're are completely out of their mind. It almost seems like taking your entire psyche, putting it into a slot machine, and just randomly hoping it comes out better than before. Sounds a bit too risky for my tastes.
 
yes ,playing with your life and livelihood is one thing, but playing with your sanity seems to me a lot more dangerous; because i think going truly insane and never coming back is worse than being on the street, sick or dead. not that opiates cant drive you nuts, but nearly as risky of doing so as psychs even weed
 
Bojangles--- If you tryed somthing like acid, it can/will destroy your paws. I had them really bad from suboxone also. You just need to be open. When your done you wont need a anti-depressent or anything.

it really leaves you with a positive-new out look towards life.
 
I used to keep up a bi-yearly head cleaning with lsd till I was about 30. It never made me stop using dope not even close but everyone is different. We used to call shooting dope on acid, neon nods. insane. I haven't touched psychedelics for maybe 2.5 years and just dont have any desire to take some. At this point I agree the harm that might come from it is not worth the rewards[?]. Try to tell me that at 19 though and I would have laughed in your face.

peace.
seedless
 
I lost a good friend to heroin last year. She lost her job, her son's father left her, and she thought she wanted to get clean but like clockwork she was back at the dealer's place. It took her death to get me off of heroin. I went cold turkey...I had my then-boyfriend keep me locked in the house while I kicked. I still don't know how I made it out alive. I won't touch an opiate ever again after watching my best friend die in my arms. I really think you are at what they call "rock bottom" and are at the point where only involuntary help is going to do any good. You are not ready to help yourself. Best of luck to you.
 
im stuck because i cant go to rehab because my parents will know ,and cut me off financially , plus im 2 months away from getting an associates degree.......if my parents are this mad and they dont know about the opiates, just that i havent been "clean" , can you imagine what theyd do if they knew it was a "hard" drug? it would be ugly , probably not see them for a few years.........on other hand i can get methadone and was gettin by on it ok a couple weeks until i messed with the D again , but now im at point i blew so much cash and im gonna have to at least take a Break or im gonna end up broke , then doing some dumb stuff cuz im dopesick and get locked up again
 
Jake i'm in a similar situation, well not really but I kind of was. You should finish your degree, then quit. I know for a fact when I tryed quiting in the middle of school, I had to drop out.

things will get better dude. But you gotta get that degree, then you can take time off. Just try to slow things down and dont go overboard.
 
trying its rough .................took my small meth dose this morning but still need a bag bad.........guess i picked up another H habit in last week or 2 , few bags a day on top of the methadone so now with just the Meth i am still sick...............WTF . but it may be in my head , my boy on the clinic says he is ok and he has been doin H on top of his meth too but he is on 100 mg a day , i take 20 mg a day at the most.....so of course its gonnna hold him better. at least i can get 150 mg for the week tmrw......if i had cash i know i wouldve copped today , i mean i haev it but only 100 bucks for whole week , and whats point in blowing it on H then having no gas, cigs , and food money all week ? ive run out of reasons to get money from my parents...........
 
20 mg isnt nearly enough to curb heroin cravings. the dose you'd need will keep you firlmy addicted ti methadone most likely for life, from what ive seen, because its even harder to kick than dope; sadly, thats still a better alternative than struggling with an IV opioid habit in most cases
 
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