Too much mind-altering will catch up with you down the road - something to consider.

psychoblast

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It was about 13 years ago I really hopped onto the recreational drug train. I thought I was being smart about it. I read about risks and how to moderate them on sites like this one, or Erowid, or other places. I took supplements and vitamins and stuff like that. For a while I had friends calling me the "doctor" because I'd lay out a time frame and healthy pills and stuff we needed to take to stay healthy (or as healthy as possible). I tested my pills, or better found pure powder.

Anyway, even spacing out rolls a month or so apart, the magic was gone within 2 years. I and my mates got to a point when we thought, "Geez, is being etardedly happy for a night worth writing off the next few days, not being productive with our lives, feeling ate up?" And more and more, the answer was no.

But that's not the problem. The problem was me looking for drugs that did not leave me feeling "ate up," drugs that seemed more holistic, friendly, natural, organic, etc. Yes, psychedelics, and sometimes disassociatives. I played with them and thought the good ones were every bit as good as ecstasy without the downside. But then I discovered the downside. Or a downside (there may be others).

See, in life we mature as we age, mentally and emotionally and physically. You can sort of imagine your life as a path you are walking and sometimes you look back, maybe five years later, maybe a decade later, maybe three decades later. You look back and want to assess where you are compared to where you were, to use different ideas of "who am I" at different points in time to triangulate a more accurate picture of yourself. In short, you look back, reflect, and seek to know yourself better.

The sober mind free from psychological trauma can readily see itself, see its journey, and seeing that journey behind you, you can then get a strong sense which way you are headed and move confidently.

I think psychological traumas create blurred areas where we are willfully blind and cannot see all that clearly. That makes it hard to know your path, to progress with confidence, to mature in a natural and healthy way. Because this reflection to confirm our direction is part of how we feel confident and content with our life's path.

I've found that years as a psychonaut have done something similar to such trauma. When I reflect, I see a path that is clouded with hazy daze, indescribable "peak" experiences, frequent epiphones, and frequent, radical shifting ideas on what matters in life. I look back and see a path so convoluted, I really don't know where I'm headed. I feel adrift from my past, unrooted.

I think some dabbling in mind-altering experiences can have value, in terms of gaining greater perspective on life and spirituality and humanity and oneself. Everything, really. But moderation and infrequency is critical. A significant psychedelic experience, whether good or bad, can be a game-changer in terms of your priorities and values and ideas about life. If you keep changing the game, mid-game, then it seems like you keep starting anew, without foundation, and that is not all that pleasant a place to be.

I have also found that my past personalities somewhat jealously guard my memories. In other words, the more I am like the person I was when an event happened, the easier it is to recall. The more I have shifted from being that person, the harder it is to access those memories. I think one day psychological research may bear out this notion that humans have a harder time recalling memories from times when they had very different values, ways of viewing the world. If all of that is to esoteric, then let me simplify it: The more you change, and more frequently you change, in life, the harder time you will have maintaining cohesive memories of earlier days. This is just a feeling or hunch, anecdotal and unproven, but it seems to make sense to me that it would work this way. Change is not the enemy, but we were not organically meant to change so frequently and significantly as what can happen if you dive into frequent recreational psychedelic usage.

Or that's just my thoughts.

20 years ago, I thought I'd be an avid rock climber, hiker, river rafter, in my adulthood. Yet I've done none of it, allowing myself to be distracted by personal insecurities and failings, and using drug experiences to try to balance the scale by creating experiences that would make up for my lack of follow through on the real world adventures. Ultimately, having experienced some of the highest highs drugs can offer, I feel regret for what I traded away, for my lack of a firm foundation for the person I am now. There is some kind of Bible parable about building a house on sand versus rock, and about how crucial a solid foundation is for a house that will not fall. I think each major drug experience is a kind of shift, and the more shifts you have, the less stable your foundation. You may not care or understand how that matters now, but you might 20 years from now when you are growing older and still wondering "Who am I?" or "Why do I always feel unsettled?"

I think distant ancestors, tribal peoples, had some sense of this, and limited strong mind-altering experiences to a few times in life, and I think that makes sense. I think respecting these experiences as shamanic, and to be done infrequently, is best.

Of course, I'm not talking about pot or coke or even ecstasy, really. The first time rolling is an awakening, but after that it is all just emotional masturbation, purely recreational, I don't think it really changes you. Maybe all drugs are like that. When new, they awaken something in you, but repeated use becomes counterproductive.

Is my story unique, or will anyone else relate to it? I don't know. I guess we may see, from the replies (if any).

Namaste,

~psychoblast~
 
The downside you express is completely contingent on your belief that "this reflection to confirm our direction is part of how we feel confident and content with our life's path." A lot of drug users, especially psychonauts, actually find solace, reward, etc. in the transient nature that the lifestyle tends to provide. They enjoy the different perspectives and how they can send a person's life into unknown directions. But I get the sense that you are a lot more "traditionally responsible" in that you had goals as a young person and you judge your success/failure as an adult on how well you progressed through those goals. And that's fine if that works for you, but I don't think psychedelic drugs, which people use to rediscover themselves and their beliefs/passions, are going to help a person go through life in such a traditional way.

Some people like to have directions and get to their destination on time and on a proper fuel budget, while others like to hitchhike. Taking psychedelic drugs too often is going to really make reality like "hitchhiking through life." Sounds to me like you just don't like the idea of hitchhiking...

Just be mindful that this does not mean that they will catch up with someone else in the way that they caught up with you, because again the way that they caught up with you was intrinsically tied to how you wanted your life to progress. What you see as detrimental, others might see as benefitial.

I have also found that my past personalities somewhat jealously guard my memories. In other words, the more I am like the person I was when an event happened, the easier it is to recall. The more I have shifted from being that person, the harder it is to access those memories. I think one day psychological research may bear out this notion that humans have a harder time recalling memories from times when they had very different values, ways of viewing the world.

Ya, I am like this too. When I'm clean, I remember my past clean times better. When I'm using, I remember better how bad it was in past times strung-out. And then when I use psychedelics, I *return* to the headspace that I almost feel like I never left. I could take or leave this with the hard drugs, but with psychedelics I like it a lot. It makes the place that they take me feel more special, and I like the idea (though I don't strictly believe in this) that the drug is "welcoming me back." It tends to help steer the trips in a positive direction.

20 years ago, I thought I'd be an avid rock climber, hiker, river rafter, in my adulthood. Yet I've done none of it, allowing myself to be distracted by personal insecurities and failings, and using drug experiences to try to balance the scale by creating experiences that would make up for my lack of follow through on the real world adventures.

So what did you do over the past 20 years that you never thought you'd do 20 years ago? You WILL have a list here. We all have a list of things we got into that we didn't even think about years ago. I understand how you want to judge yourself against how well you pursued your passions, but if you didn't end up doing a lot of them, you cannot get hung up on this or you will get depressed, nostalgic, etc. This happens to me often if I reflect 5 or 6 years ago when my life was significantly better and then think very literally about how far I've fallen from that exact point. But I also fail to let myself see the things that I did do that are now, and how they benefited me. I'm guessing that you might feel like you let other people down because you might catch up with them after years and they remember you by what you "wanted to do" years ago. And you might feel like a failure if they all checked off their lists, and you did not. I can definitely relate to that, but you just gotta not be too hard on yourself over this or you will be miserable.

Like five years ago, I was in grad school and expected that I'd land a really good job in a year's time. I became a hard drug addict instead, and pretty much screwed up my chances of going into the field I went through all of that school for. When I think about this in isolation, I get really, really depressed. I mean it's BAD depression, bad guilt, and all it does it keep me using hard drugs to numb these emotions. But the psychedelics, for example, got me really in tune with my body and with art. So I took up bodybuilding after grad school (at least I do when I'm clean...) and had this view of my physical form as the ultimate canvas. And I really got a lot out of my progress, and I think more out of the interest than 95% of others who do it. And I immediately thank the psychedelics for that.
 
Yea all what you said is very common, not so much with psychedelics, but drugs n general

As a junkie going in and out of the cloud and sobriety, definitely agree. When i first kick dope and am all scared and weak I have vivid memories of being a kid and what I was like and how I thought etc. when I do dope I feel stuck in the numb mindset I've been in since 16 or so when I started smoking weed eryday. Lucky you never got addicted or binged on anything, that can get your mind way more stuck in a rut than occasional use. When I first did heroin I didn't stop for a single second for about a year and a half, so I spent something like 500 days stuck in the exact same state of mind. Ugh

Good luck, be happy you never got hooked on meth or hard opiates, your mind will bounce back quick
 
Good post. Really good post, actually; this is probably the best thing I've read on this site in months.

Your observation on memories is probably the most interesting thing here, and I'd add (or maybe you were implying this yourself) that repeated drug use really inhibits meaning making. Whenever I've been clean for a while, my drug-heavy periods in life start seeming like essentially gaps in time.

I also started using drugs after reading Erowid. I think a lot of millennials did. The site overall has a decent harm-reduction focus, but some of the vaults are just obviously biased in favor of using the drug. The ectasy vault immediately comes to mind.
 
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