Too Many Obscure Drugs vs Get With the Times Old Dude

[Jabberwocky]

I honestly can't keep track of the substances BL'ers get into / off on. What's with all the obscure RCs and pharmaceuticals? Is it about conneisurship and a matter of refined taste to get fucked up on obscure things or is it just a sense of adventure or maybe the sign of a fiend who will fuck themselves up on anything and everything. This is not a criticism, more a curiousity about why people don't just stick to the classics. They are well proven with generally known parameters and mostly widely available wherever you go.

As far as my horizons go, if you want to go up you have speed/meth. If you want do go down you have smack or benzos. If you want to go sideways you have acid. If you want to get into yourself you have MDMA. If you want to get away from yourself and into other people's faces there's coke. Did I miss any classics?

What feeling / experience is there that is not covered by these classics. They are kind of like the 5 basic food groups in my view. But maybe I lack refinement and taste? Or quiet desperation? I don't know. Why do you turn your nose up at the tried and tested and seek your jollies in obscure places?

 

[Wilson Wilson]

For me personally I like being able to try new substances. Sure everyone knows that "Xanax gets you fucked up" but if you're into benzos you will have a preference for the type of effects you like, and only the harder to get, slightly more obscure ones like temazepam are truly euphoric. Although etizolam is a nice buzz too.

Then there's the fact that if you see drugs as tools, there's a different tool for a different job. To use a different example someone into stims might use amphetamine for productivity but cocaine for getting fucked up.

Finally if you live in a country where a legal RC market exists, you have the ability to buy cheap, pure, legal drugs online with your credit card. The pull is obvious. And some of those drugs - e.g. 4-MMC - grow to have reputations of their own, far beyond being legal versions of other drugs, simply because they're so good.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

The subtle variations between individual drugs in each class is why I like to explore. For instance, I don't get anything from clonazepam, but I greatly enjoy both diazepam and alprazolam. There are those who don't enjoy either of those latter two but greatly enjoy clonazepam.

Or with say, O-DSMT, I trust it as an opioid since it's a tramadol metabolite, and lacks the S-part of the SNRI effect. Much safer than seeking out smack or pills. Or how oxycodone is almost like an upper with a downer edge.

Or the subtle variations between psychedelics. Well, those are much less subtle IMO. Mushies are much different from their other substituted cousins. Acid is pretty different from other psychedelics. Dissociatives are fun to truly go inwards and they all differ greatly.

So yeah, you really answered your own question. Some are 'connoisseurs', some are just addicts looking for anything, some find themselves more fond of one drug or another within each class. Why not have variety? Do you only drink beer? I like wine, beer, liquor, and everything in between. They provide subtle taste/experiental differences.

 

[Xorkoth]

I love the classics and the new frontiers. It's like food, yeah you can get by on one or two things out of each food group, but there is a wide world of various flavors you'd be missing out on. I am a connoisseur of experiences, psychedelics in particular, and my pharmacopoeia of substances allows me to choose based on what I desire at the time. I also enjoy seeing what differences that changes to well-known molecules will produce. It's just something I am fascinated by.

I in no way turn my nose up at the tried and true classics, I them all. Well not all of them, some "RCs" I have tried once and probably never will again, but some of them are just as good as the classics and in many circumstances better/more suited to the day at hand (DOC, 2C-E, AMT, etc etc).

LSD and MDMA were RCs at one point.

 

[Branggen]

The draw makes sense to me they're often cheap in bulk and the aspect of having a new unique experience on top of knowing you are one of the few to have that experience is pretty exciting, and interesting. I'm too scared of long term and side effects to try anything that hasn't been used for at least a number of years though. I also never really liked the idea of completely synthetic drugs, though im not sure that means much as everything does come from the earth to begin with, I just think the closer it is to having come from something living the better

 

[codydion]

boy i think i'm kind of a classics guy too. i always had the same thinking as you. after covered that really awesome alternate reality what more could we ask for we had it all i thought. a big thing might be the skirting of drug laws and whatnot. i'm not sure but i think i'm a traditionalist in all senses of my thinking. the good green earth gave us many o organic compounds to alter and synthesize. let's keep er at that.

 

[G_Chem]

Xorkoths comment on how LSD and MDMA were RCs at once is part of the reason I explore new compounds. Imagine being the first person to try MDMA and realizing what you just discovered..

I feel we’ll see another gem come to the surface in our time on par or greater than those two, if I was the one to find it or be one of the first to try it id feel complete in life.

I also feel life is better the more variety of drugs and experiences you can have. Drugs become a problem when someone tries to use a substance for something it’s not really designed to do because of a limited selection of substances to choose from. Like trying to treat depression with alcohol, or ADD with meth..

The more drugs we have and that we are intimately familiar with, the better off our society will be.

Also as Gravy said, the slight nuances between certain substances can be well appreciated by the conneseuir (sp?) like for me DMT extracted from different plant sources, while still mostly DMT, contains other alkaloids which alter the overall experience. Acacia confusa DMT being my favorite.

-GC

 

[Xorkoth]

boy i think i'm kind of a classics guy too. i always had the same thinking as you. after covered that really awesome alternate reality what more could we ask for we had it all i thought. a big thing might be the skirting of drug laws and whatnot. i'm not sure but i think i'm a traditionalist in all senses of my thinking. the good green earth gave us many o organic compounds to alter and synthesize. let's keep er at that.

All synthetic chemicals are altered and synthesized from compounds mother nature gave us. Also many compounds that mother nature synthesized for us are awful and poisonous and destructive.

Some of the compounds that Alexander Shulgin first discovered are no more synthetic than LSD and MDMA, and are every bit as good, yet different. It was random chance that LSD and MDMA are not considered research chemicals today.

I'm not trying to change your mind by the way, I respect sticking with the classics, I can respect not taking chances with less researched compounds. I just disagree that there is no value in any of them, or in exploring new things.

I feel we’ll see another gem come to the surface in our time on par or greater than those two, if I was the one to find it or be one of the first to try it id feel complete in life.

We have already discovered a number of gems on par with LSD and MDMA, in my opinion.

 

[G_Chem]

All synthetic chemicals are altered and synthesized from compounds mother nature gave us. Also many compounds that mother nature synthesized for us are awful and poisonous and destructive.

Some of the compounds that Alexander Shulgin first discovered are no more synthetic than LSD and MDMA, and are every bit as good, yet different. It was random chance that LSD and MDMA are not considered research chemicals today.

I'm not trying to change your mind by the way, I respect sticking with the classics, I can respect not taking chances with less researched compounds. I just disagree that there is no value in any of them, or in exploring new things.



We have already discovered a number of gems on par with LSD and MDMA, in my opinion.

Which ones you thinking? 4-AcO-DMT and 5-MAPB are two that are on par id say. You thinking like MXE maybe? 2cb?

Idk man we’ve had some good ones don’t get me wrong, but I guess I was thinking something that will gain the cultural acceptance and use that those two have. I can’t think of any RC that has come close in that regard, a few have stood the test of time becoming illicitly produced but even 2cb is nowhere near the same usage.

A drug that will literally change the world as we know it, those two without a doubt changed things drastically.

-GC

 

[Xorkoth]

MXE, 2C-E (not 2C-B though it's great too), AMT, 2C-T-2, DOC, DOB, DOPr. Honestly a lot of the 4-sub-tryptamines are just as good (yet not the same) as mushrooms.

Obviously there are examples of ones a person should avoid, too (NBOMes for example).

A drug that will literally change the world as we know it, those two without a doubt changed things drastically.

Part of that is that it was the psychedelic that was around then and popularized. And our society had no previous exposure to them, so basically as a culture we experienced our first peak experience, essentially. Who's to say if the drug hadn't been 2C-E or something, that we wouldn't have had a similar transformation?

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Yeah MXE was something else. Entirely unique and I honestly think there was a conspiracy to keep it from being produced any longer. By who or what? I do not know... but the demand is there for it, yet it is nowhere to be seen.

 

[SKL]

I honestly can't keep track of the substances BL'ers get into / off on. What's with all the obscure RCs and pharmaceuticals? Is it about conneisurship and a matter of refined taste to get fucked up on obscure things or is it just a sense of adventure or maybe the sign of a fiend who will fuck themselves up on anything and everything?

Yes.

β-CFT (WIN 35,428, a cocaine analogue), first impressions at 7 mg, i.v.

Okay, folks, from my personal vault, here is an experience with a rather unusual compound which I had a one-off opportunity to sample a while back: β-CFT, a/k/a WIN 35,428, a semi-synthetic tropane dopamine reuptake inhibitor structurally similar to cocaine. There is little known about it's use...

www.bluelight.org

 

[codydion]

@Xorkoth i respect your opinion. also on another note. aside from psychoactives if we weren't playing around with chemical compounds we wouldn't have the world of medicine that we do today. just another take on it.

 

[SunriseChampion]

@Atelier3 ....I feel ya. Reading these forums I sometimes feel like I'm psychologically stunted being stuck on MDMA and mushrooms and having done LSD like....thrice, I think it was. Back when I was in my early 20s I would have been down for any sort of new RC but just never got a hold of them.

Now in my mid-30s I'm scared to get high on shit I don't know....which is too bad because my curiosity hasn't died and some of these more novel substances sounds like a great time.

 

[Xorkoth]

Reading these forums I sometimes feel like I'm psychologically stunted being stuck on MDMA and mushrooms and having done LSD like....thrice, I think it was.

Just to be perfectly clear, the classics are 100% fine for experience psychedelia, you aren't going to be lacking anything or missing out on some essential experience. But for those who like to explore, the RCs are also worthwhile and valid and have something to offer. For example, an activity that my good friend and I love doing is taking DOC, and going "river hiking", which is climbing up small mountain rivers across boulders and up waterfalls, while we talk about life. We have done this on LSD and a few other things too, but we find that DOC, being a psychedelic amphetamine and very enabling and pro-social and energizing and body-connecting (which is valuable during a relatively dangerous activity), offers something that nothing else does, and we get the most out of this activity using it over something else. For me, using DOC instead of LSD adds something over LSD or something else, and I'm glad I have it at my disposal.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Might get around to trying 4-HO-MET my friend has been doing alot of it and says its fucking amazing even better than 4-aco-dmt and shrooms.

most Rc's here are Class A so it has limited the market since we banned the legal high market.

Before 2014 you could buy over the years nbomb, various stimulant RC's, AMT in the form of blue avatar pills, BZP, Many synthetic cannabis at the dairy and corner shops.


ETH-lad is something i probably wouldn't do again though 200 ug will have you losing your mind crazy fucking strong 400 ug + can lead to breakthroughs for hours on end.

Though my fav will always be LSD nothing beats it for me.

 

[SunriseChampion]

Just to be perfectly clear, the classics are 100% fine for experience psychedelia, you aren't going to be lacking anything or missing out on some essential experience. But for those who like to explore, the RCs are also worthwhile and valid and have something to offer.

Yeah, that's just it.....I've had to reconcile my natural inclination to explore with my old-man paranoia about my health. It's just that when I was younger and first got into psychedelics I got stuck at what was easily available and by the time I got to learning about other more novel substances, I was already older and started getting scared of trying new things for fear of negative health outcomes.

I'm not exactly complaining about being "stuck" with mushrooms. I love the little fuckers.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Yeah, that's just it.....I've had to reconcile my natural inclination to explore with my old-man paranoia about my health. It's just that when I was younger and first got into psychedelics I got stuck at what was easily available and by the time I got to learning about other more novel substances, I was already older and started getting scared of trying new things for fear of negative health outcomes.

I'm not exactly complaining about being "stuck" with mushrooms. I love the little fuckers.

After getting into psilacetin (4-AcO-DMT) I don't think I'll ever eat mushrooms again. Significantly less jarring for the GI tract.

I also like how some of the light 2C-x drugs (i.e. 2C-C) allow for a short, less intense, yet visual trip. They're also a well aged drug class now, the only one known to kill readily being 2C-T-7 when used irresponsibly.

So in my book, exploring is worthwhile. I still tend to favor drugs that have a history of some use or were discovered in the 20th century and have proven non-lethal.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Sometimes the classics get a little boring. But I've now reached that time of life where the drugs dont work any more, so I'm reduced to pickleing my liver in ethanol and coating my lungs with nicotine...

 

[SunriseChampion]

After getting into psilacetin (4-AcO-DMT) I don't think I'll ever eat mushrooms again. Significantly less jarring for the GI tract.

Even with tea? Since I switched to only mushroom tea, I haven't had any GI issues like I used to have just eating the things.

I think I'll get some 2C-x maybe. I have an acquaintance who has a collection of RCs and wants to do a trade for mushrooms. I don't know what he has though. Maybe DMT if not a 2C-x.

Fuck it, yolo or whatever the kids are saying these days.