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Tobacco Snus: "Potentiating" Opiates?

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Valentine4

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Normally I go all-out and research scholarly articles and journals to develop a hypothesis; but this time I really just want to see if anyone has any interesting anecdotal support for what I am about to discuss.

As most opiate users agree, cigarettes are more appealing when high on opiates, almost to the point of inducing compulsive use. Often SWIM finds that once accustomed to smoking while on opiates, smoking in a sober state is simply awful and tastes unappealing.

I'm sure I read one time about a synergy between nicotine and opiates, being that both "potentiate" each other, for lack of a better word.

I think I read, that while they have a weak effect of strengthening each other's clinical effects, they greatly enforce each others addictive potential.

Now on to the topic: SWIM began recently using Camel brand snus, which SWIM previously found only mildly appealing. But this time while under the affect of a strong opiate, snus was simply GREAT. It gave that positive psychological feeling you get when you smoke your first cigarette after feeling the affect of the opiate.

Plus instead of putrid smoke that lasts only minutes, the snus effect lasted a good 15 minutes; during which, the euphoria of the experience seemed significantly improved. Now repeated doses seemed to have decreasing results, but still far better than that of cigarettes.

I just wanted to get others opinions on the matter, and perhaps, if someone else has taken the time, have some scholarly information/citations posted.

Let me know what you think! thanks!
 
Has anyone also noticed this with chewing tobacco; i have only used this a couple times and am curious to see if it has similar effects.
 
Snus?I thought it was Snuff....And I personally dont find that they potentiate each other,but Opiates seem to make Tobacco more enjoyable for sure
 
It's the increase in Dopamine in the reward pathway that both drugs provide that gives the extra feelings of enjoyment.

p.s. Please don't use the term "SWIM".
 
Bluelight should have a filter that automatically reaches out and punches every person who posts using the word SWIM.

edit: And steals their drugs too.
 
^^^lol,or at least automatically switch it to Me or I in bold letters,cause its basically the same thing...Like the dude who used the term "My Pet Blow Fish" Yesterday to try to cover himself lol....Unknown Closed it by Saying,"Giving those Drugs to a Fish would kill the fish" lol
 
i recently quit smoking so i tried using snus after i drank poppy pod tea and it definitely made the opiate high come on more. everytime i started feeling less high i would just use some more snus. it felt like it worked longer than cigarettes but not as strong.
 
OntarioGuy said:
Snus?I thought it was Snuff....And I personally dont find that they potentiate each other,but Opiates seem to make Tobacco more enjoyable for sure
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Snus is the new Camel snuff. They come in little pouches.

Yes, I have noticed that tobacco seems to potentiate opiates. It seems like when the nicotine buzz hits when I'm on opiates, it seems like my opiate high gets better.

Also - we don't use SWIM here. It's gay. Sorry.
 
safety said:
Bluelight should have a filter that automatically reaches out and punches every person who posts using the word SWIM.

edit: And steals their drugs too.
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For sure. I'd take them. But if it's Someone Who Isn't Them, how would the filter know who to take the drugs from??? It OBVOIUSLY isn't the person posting the thread! 8)
 
Ah, I didn't know that. That (along with the Dopa release) would explain the nausea you gets when you have one too many cigarettes as a young 'un ;)
 
I have heard (on another website I think) that nicotine causes the enzymes that break down opiates to act faster, thereby increasing the rate at which the opiates are expelled from one's system. Anyone else heard and/or encountered this?
 
Everything (and more) that you need to know...

Well from what I've read in clinical trials and various other sources this is my best explanation/understanding of it.

First of all in high concentration, or a sudden sharp increase in concentration (eg. Dip, or first few hits of a cigarette) Beta-Endorphin is released in the brain. Beta-Endorphin is one of a few chemicals known as endogenous opioids. They are the bodies natural ligand (chemical made to activate) the Mu-Opioid receptor, which is the main receptor responsible for causing the high and other effects of opiates. So basically your body adds its own dope on top of the dope already in your system from not so natural routes, and oualla! You're higher!

Reason number two is a tad more complex. Nicotine, as most everyone knows, is a stimulant. Meaning it increases the concentration of many neurotransmitters in the brain, the one we're concerned with is Dopamine. The chemical that is responsible for the sequence of events that lead to the preceved feeling of increased energy, alertness, clearer thinking, and most importantly for our case, Euphoria, and happiness. However, on top of increasing dopamine levels on its own, it increases the sensitivity of the reward pathway. Basically the reward pathway are specific areas that produce and move dopamine to other parts of the brain, so Nicotine basically turns up the "Volume knob" on that whole system, which would cause an even greater response to stimulation, which in our case is opiates.

On top of THAT, tobacco also naturally contains a family of chemicals called Beta-Carbolines. Most of the Beta-Carbolines are a class of chemicals called MAOI's (Monoamine oxidase Inhibitors). They inhibit an enzyme called MAO (Monoamine Oxidase) which is responsible for breaking down Dopamine in the brain so it doesn't build up. (otherwise there would be an ever increasing amount, and after a while people would probably be so happy they would explode or some shit...) This means that, yet again, dopamine levels are increased.

And THAT is why cigarettes are a junkies (and mine also) best friend if your short on smack.

Oh and Mr. Bank, Nicotine actually competes for the same family of enzymes in the body as opiates do (Cytochrome P450 enzyme family) Though not necessarily the same specific enzymes (CYP2A6, and CYP2B6 mainly for nicotine) meaning that Nicotine would either LENGTHEN the amount of time it would take to break down opiates, or have little effect at all.
 
When I first started using opiates regularly I would love to use some snus with it. My drug using buddy was a butt smoker and at the time they gave a free sample pack of snus with each pack of Marlboros. He didn't want them so he gave most of them to me, I enjoyed them. But I've never become addicted to any nicotine products, I stopped using it after a little while but kept using opiates.
 
I'm going to go ahead and close this as it's a bump of a very old thread. If anyone still has related issues they would like to discuss, feel free to start a new thread, or PM me should you feel this has merit to being reopened.
 
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