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Misc Tobacco and sleep

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burn out

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Evening folks. I've a question on tobacco and sleep.

Now, I am a what I guess you would consider a very infrequent smoker. Almost a non smoker in fact. I smoke on average, about one cigarette, every 2 years. What I have noticed over the last few years though, is that whenever I smoke my cigarette, I sleep to be unable to sleep that night. Now I am aware that nicotine is a stimulant, and that there could be a connection. But I thought it would be too shorting to cause this?

Well aware of the dilemma, I decided to smoke today but only a small amount. So, I took 2 small puffs off a cigarette and put it out. I am also a heroin addict, and I found those two little puffs certainly synergize well with my opiate buzz. About an hour or two later, I felt back to baseline. I smoked that cigarette first thing in the morning, which is about 1 pm for me, in order to minimize the risk of it keeping me awake tonight. Yet here we are, its after 4 am, I am very tired, but sleep will not come. COuld this be because I smoked the cigarette?

It seems ridiculous that such a tiny amount (two small puffs) so long ago, could still be effecting me. Yet I have no other explanation. What say you?
 
I am aware of that, but I don't see the benefit of adding another addiction to my life. I don't enjoy tobacco that much, it's kind of a weird feeling. WHat dou think of it Cap'n? Why dont you use it?
 
When i would take any opiod/opiate drug i'd have to buy an extra pack of cigarettes because of how well smoking a cigarette feels after a good shot of H . Even at the beguinning i never had it have this effect though. Have you been having sleeping problems latley anyway? Because i sure know i couldn't sleep without doing a shot so basically just nodding out. I think it was from never doing anything but coping and if i already had it here would just lay here and shoot dope and be tired noddy all day so when it came time to sleep, i couldn't becaise im rested of being like that all day.
 
burn out said:
I am aware of that, but I don't see the benefit of adding another addiction to my life. I don't enjoy tobacco that much, it's kind of a weird feeling. WHat dou think of it Cap'n? Why dont you use it?
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There is a seemingly infinite number of reasons not to use tobacco. The best one? Smoking promotes arterial narrowing.

This in turn can lead to impotence. I would rather have a functional penis. As well, smoking tobacco reduces testosterone.
 
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Although an uncommon reaction, I can totally see this happening to someone who doesn't smoke often. It's kind of like if a person never drinks caffeine, if they have a cup of coffee, they'll be absolutely jacked up and off the walls. I drink coffee every morning and barely feel the effects.

I love opiates (currently getting clean--day 2), and after a shot of heroin, a cigarette was the most perfect thing, second only to a nicely rolled joint.
Tobacco is a nasty habit and I kinda wish I knew the exact number of packs I've bought to see how much money I've diverted to nicotine...but at least where I am currently I don't have to break a 5 for a pack (back home in Chicago, I've had to drop 13 bucks before for a single back. Goddamn cook county taxes)
 
I don't know about you guys, but I can't smoke cigarettes after H it makes me feel incredibly nauseous. Maybe an hour or two later but not right after

To the OP I definitely think cigarettes could be messing up your sleep, even several hours later. I remember when I first started smoking cigarettes I'd have the same problem, and I'd lay in bed with my heart beating faster than normal (not too fast though) but to a noticeable degree. I don't know why I was stupid enough to keep smoking either lol, dumb mistake...
 
Cigarettes aren't that inherently enjoyable, IMHO.......they really get good once you can't go more than an hour or so without one :|

Realistically, though, it's hard for me to see a single cigarette keeping you awake that long after smoking it. Nicotine has a half life of about an hour, so it's VERY unlikely your body is still holding onto any. In fact, nicotine is processed as a toxin if the body is not used to it, which can result in many people feeling sick to their stomachs. Perhaps it's something secondarily related to the cigarette? Like subconscious guilt or a placebo effect? Maybe the days you're most inclined to smoke a cig are also the days you're most stressed?
 
donoharm said:
Cigarettes aren't that inherently enjoyable, IMHO.......they really get good once you can't go more than an hour or so without one :|

Realistically, though, it's hard for me to see a single cigarette keeping you awake that long after smoking it. Nicotine has a half life of about an hour, so it's VERY unlikely your body is still holding onto any. In fact, nicotine is processed as a toxin if the body is not used to it, which can result in many people feeling sick to their stomachs. Perhaps it's something secondarily related to the cigarette? Like subconscious guilt or a placebo effect? Maybe the days you're most inclined to smoke a cig are also the days you're most stressed?
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It can be an indirect effect of the nicotine by increasing the amount of norepinephrine/dopamine in the brain.

Human beings can be exceedingly sensitive to stimulants if they are not seasoned stimulant users.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
It can be an indirect effect of the nicotine by increasing the amount of norepinephrine/dopamine in the brain.

Human beings can be exceedingly sensitive to stimulants if they are not seasoned stimulant users.
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I'm aware of that, but find it hard to believe that nicotine would be the substance to blame. Perhaps it's an interaction with something else in your system, or maybe I'm totally wrong and it's exclusively due to a strong nicotine sensitivity, but it's just hard for me to believe that the amount of nicotine a (essentially) non-smoker would absorb from a cig. Cigarette nicotine delivery is very malleable and often the same regardless of brand or variant (even light, ultralight, etc) when levels of tar and nicotine inhaled by a real smoker are looked at. People cover the filter ventilation holes, take larger drags, hold the smoke in their lungs for a longer period of time and at deeper depths, etc. Likewise, somebody who is not addicted to nicotine would most likely absorb far less nicotine from a cigarette than most smokers would, and even without a tolerance, I just can't see it being the cause for your insomnia. Had you smoked the cigarette within 5 hours of experiencing the insomnia, I'd say that it could more likely be the cause, but something like twelve hours is hard for me to believe. We can agree to disagree in our opinions ;)
 
People ask me why bother smoking when i sometimes smoke just 1 a day and am clearly not addicted, the concensus being that people only smoke because they are addicted. I find that odd. However, if, were I to smoke I stayed up all night or vomited I would not bother. The feeling of smoking isn't worth that to me.

However, Opiates do make me chuck sometimes but I consider that worth it. So that's the real question you need to be asking.
 
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