To all the mid 20's...

I used to worry about getting old and having all those responsibilities or not having them. Then i turned 30 and realized wtf why should i care about society's norms now? I never did before and at times did everything i could to not be one of those "normal" people so why the fuck should i worry all of a sudden about all that rubbish that i don't want in any case? I'm not a hard person to make happy so really all i want out of life is a somewhat decent place of my own, enough money so i don't starve and a g/f that loves me as much as i do her. I certainly am not even going to think about the whole settle down and have a family bullshit until i hit about the 35 mark.
 
Are you worried as fuck? About kids, houses, careers etc.

hahaha, no.

first, erase kids from that. secondly, all i need is a small apt. of my own. thirdly, i DO worry about that...but in a vague way because i've had to prioritize other things. mommy and daddy weren't there to provide a foundation for me to even start a higher education on, so my path is a little ragged and ugly. i'm pretty much going to be just barely slipping by my '25' year mark for getting my shit together. and getting my shit together...lol...does definitely NOT equal getting a fabulous job or 'advancing in my career'. people who assume it should be as easy for others as themselves to follow the same timeline they did are ignorant dicks.
 
Ugly this is why im so like why the fuck should i even try and just do crazy shit, live hard and if i die at 40 so be it.


chrisalt, I totally feel you. I feel like that sometimes. Sometimes, I just straight give the fuck up. I stay in bed for 4 days. Sometimes I stop holding on and freefall into a 4 day bender.

Either way, eventually I gotta do something else. I can't sleep anymore if I get real hungry. Benders aren't free and don't last forever.

If you just do crazy shit, you'll go crazy. Being crazy looks like a drag, from all I have seen.

Living hard is what you are supposed to do. Ride this fucker til the wheels fall off. Life is fukn weird, and hard shit is waiting for you around every corner. I'm living a different kind of hard, but a bitch is a bitch is a bitch.

Finally, if living hard killed everybody at 40, there would be a whole lot less of us grown folk.

Your death is a guarantee, though. People survive all kinds of random shit but no body survives death.

How do you feel about knowing you will be dead and there's nothing you can do to stop it?
 
I'm just going to chime in as someone who is not only so far over that hill (mid 20's) but the next one (mid 40's) and halfway up the following one (turning 59 in a month!).

I decided in my twenties to make the life I wanted. I roamed around until I found a spot on the earth that felt good to me. It, like most of the beautiful places in the world, is expensive--ridiculously so. But I accepted the consequences of my choice which meant living paycheck to paycheck on a waitress salary and tips. I never had a car, I never had insurance and I lived in a cottage in an elderly woman's back yard that was literally rotting into the ground. I loved it! I never felt scared about the future because I really subscribe to the power of trust. I trusted that everything would be OK as long as I kept following my heart. I got all sorts of advice from relatives, not to mention the larger culture's endless barrage of media hype telling me that my life would be greatly improved if I had a career. (I come from a family where my mom and sister both have doctor attached to their names). My response was to get rid of television and read alternative news sources and be thankful that my family lived in other states. I learned to make art, make meaningful relationships with people of all ages and to live on very little and actually enjoy that.

What i am trying to say here is that rather than worry about careers and children and mortgages, your twenties are much better spent IMO getting to know yourself, developing your ability to both take responsibility for and nurture your own freedom of choice. Find your tribe of people. When the majority of people around you are living like you, with similar values about what really matters, it makes it much easier to reject all the nonsense in very air we breathe that says there is only one way to do things. If you live in a place where you constantly feel like someone that is swimming against the currents, go exploring. It's a big old world and there are beautiful pockets of resistance everywhere!

The irony of my earlier choices is that I did end up with a career of sorts. I did end up with children and a husband and a house with a mortgage. It would take a novel to describe how all this happened but a few details are needed: I had my first baby at 33 and my second at 38. The reason I own a house is that an old man I waited on and talked to every day, who had no relatives, actually left me money when he died and it was just enough for a down payment. I have a "career" as an artist and an art teacher simply because I have refused to give either of my passions up for all these years whether they paid well or not.

Having kids is expensive--no doubt about it. But raising kids outside of the normal consumer culture is entirely possible. One of the things I feel most proud of in raising my sons is that neither of them saw material wealth as even desirable and their greatest joy is in the natural world and their relationships with others. My surviving son is in his mid twenties. He wonders about this stuff but he doesn't really worry about it. His dad and I have continually urged him to follow his passions and to trust that he has everything he needs to create whatever kind of life he wants. I believe that the world underneath the consumer frenzy driven world is the real world. That is where I want him to find his place. There are so many ways to do this but you have to first see the limits that the larger culture prescribes for what they really are: an illusion.

Working to support yourself is inevitable. Finding work you care about may mean that it is low paying but not necessarily. Even the most menial job can be done with both integrity and gratitude when you focus on why you are doing it (independence, goals to travel, etc).

I think that part of why things seem harder is that expectations have been raised unrealistically. Everyone is expected to own far more than they need. In native cultures people that wanted and consumed more than they needed were considered mentally ill and attempts were made to help that person heal from such delusional and self-destructive thinking. Now we elevate the materially "successful" to be role models for the young. No wonder everyone is so stressed. You are not crazy, the culture is!

Shifting your focus from the future to the present is a powerful tool. In the present you can engage in creating the life you want as those wants define themselves. Like all creative endeavors it is not static--it is fluid-- and you may be surprised continually at how your creation morphs and changes. At the end of my life I want to look back and say that it was an exhilarating adventure, not something to be stressed over and simply endured.

Lastly, I have to bring my younger son into this. He was a very sensitive soul. I know that though he struggled mightily not to let the larger forces of culture influence his view of himself, he was very vulnerable to the destruction of his self-esteem nonetheless. Many of you have read my intro to Bluelight and how I came here because I was so grateful to know that before he lost his life he had this community that saw him as so much more than a high school drop out, a person with mental illness, an addict and a felon in the american injustice system. While all those things are true on one level, his truth was so much bigger, so much grander. Bluelight offered him a place to be himself with all his flaws and all his miraculous beauty. I hoped that he would find that in the world outside of Bluelight but he lost his life to despair instead. That is why I am so passionate about creating the life you want--for all the young people on here and elsewhere. It is as possible for you as it has always been for those who seek it. The only difference as far as I can see, and it is an insidious one, is that there is a far thicker fog of media hype around your generation than was ever there for me to wade through. Fight through it. The life you want is definitely out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLBE5QAYXp8

I've come back to this post several times in the past few days, b/c first, it is some of the best bluelight wisdom I've seen, but it also expresses I guess what I feel being young and growing up can be, what it ideally should be (for me, at least). If I weren't eating powdery spicy pretzel things and have residue on my fingers I'd go on, but I hope it suffices to say it's a privilege to benefit from your wisdom, herby. <3
 
Just hit 25 three months ago. One daughter. Beautiful wife. Mortgage. Two beautiful dogs.

With all that, you would think I would be content. I feel so ungrateful sometimes.

I am such a damn hypocrite. I am, on the outside, a very liberty-minded/motivated person. Even was a delegate for Ron Paul in the crooked Republican nomination. Yet, I've let myself become enslaved to opiates.

How could that happen? I am "that" guy who's endlessly dropping inconvenient truths about the debacles of our government(s) to out-of-tune, dumbed-down, complacent ears who could give a shit less about changing the world for the better- they just want to watch their fucking Two and a Half Men and be good little sheep.

But, here I am, condemning them for the same thing I've done myself. Something inside me wants to say it's different, but something inside me also wants to say it's worse.

Then again, maybe if I didn't have to put up with so much mindless drivel in my day-to-day life I would have never turned to opiates in the first place. (Of course, CAN'T be MY fault :/!)

Wish I was smart enough to wait to have a kid, but I had my High School sweetheart knocked up by the time i was 17 (she was 18 ), so now I have this spitting image of me to look after every day and do my damnedest to make sure she doesn't end up like me. I swear (not even joking)- if I even suspect her of experimenting with opiates, I will scare the shit out of all her little grubby-pawed friends so bad they will be afraid to be around her on the account of me. If I have to go to jail over it, so be it... I will be THAT guy. If there's one thing I do right in this life it will be keeping my daughter away from this wretched beast of an addiction I'm dealing with right now.

And yeah, the addiction coupled with the current economy just fold back over onto each other and multiply exponentially, along with the woes associated with such. You see- opiates are the working man/woman's drug. They enable you to work long hours (which is almost a necessity to live comfortably anymore) and be happy about doing so. I believe this sluggish economy is the perfect breeding ground for opiate addiction due to most people being able to be under the influence while at work and being able to keep it a secret at the same time since opiates aren't as much of an indicator drug as alcohol (don't get stumbly if you don't overdo it) or marijuana (no potent smell).

So... Here I am- a life most would be tickled to death to have and I am FAR from happy. Why can't I be satisfied with this life? I would like to say it's the drugs (which I'm sure is part of it), but I've had a bitter distaste for this system from a young age so I would be lying to myself to say drugs are the whole of the problem.

I remember being inquisitive to the unfairness of taxes in kindergarten. My grandfather explained them to me and I said "That's not fair! When I get old I'm not gonna pay them!" My grandfather replied "I hope that's true, but it's not that simple.." Boy, was I ever more wrong?! I am paying my taxes like a good little bitch! And you are too! :D

And the kicker out of all this is- my daughter, despite being a huge mommy's girl (she gets mad when ppl say she acts like me b/c she wants to be like her mom- the whole boy vs. girl stage), is a damned near genetic replica of me- aside from the whole gender aspect, down to the way I think. She has the same inquisitive nature as to what's right and what is wrong at a very early age and catches on to shit super fast like I did when I was her age. Teaching her things is such a damn breeze, just as learning new things myself at her age was for me back in the day.

^And that has me even more scared. With my daughter being so much like, that means I'm going to have to fight twice as hard to keep her off this so downtrodden path I've chosen for myself- the predisposition is already there!

Life's a bitch sometimes, right? Sometimes I feel I'd be happier if I was mere caveman- only having to worry about hunting, fucking, keeping warm, and sleeping. All the paperwork of this day and age is so time consuming, trivial, and too-easily-sidetracks us from the real tasks at hand.
 
im 25,and im stressed as fuck, i still dont know what i want out of my life, no idea what i want out of a career,its really fucking scary. Its hard out there. i just want to get a little shack on a tropical beach and raise my own food and spearfish....
 
^pretty pretty please, can i come too?

although i'm only 20 to be exact, i too wonder and fret over these things on a regular basis, especially that i'm now planning on staying sober for the rest of my lifetime and have a clear enough head to worry about real world responsibilities. however, my sister and i were literally just talking about this- about the strain between the desire to buy a house and go to college and the desire to say "fuck all" and put the entire contents of what we (as individuals, on separate paths) need in our backpacks and carry on. i've always wanted stability and structure as i never had this growing up with an alcoholic father and enduring a lengthy and ugly divorce at a young age, but i've also always wanted to find my climate, my tribe, and my calling in a grander sense of just finding a course at community college that i find tolerable. i want to start college but don't want to be stuck here once i am done, what with a mountain of student debt in a climate comparable to hell, frozen over, in a region of the country where i've never exactly matched the status quo. i understand that as i grow up, so should my goals. however, i once told another bluelighter that i would feel much more satisfied with doing the college and house thing in a place where i felt like it was worth it, where i KNEW i wouldn't regret it with hindsight. owing my family upwards of two thousand dollars at the moment, i obviously know that this is out of the question at the moment, but a part of me would just as soon stash a few checks and bounce, just a small town girl living in a lonely world, take a midnight train going anyywherre.

herbavore's words didn't fail to deliver once again, and much is to be said about following your heart, but it always helps to hear a first-hand story of how it worked for somebody in their life.

idk.
time will tell, i guess my only hope is that once i reach a certain age, i find balance between being an adventurous vagrant and a grounded, well rounded person. in the meantime, i try not to stress too much. there's too much beauty to miss in the midst of 'growing up,' and i'll be damned if i miss any of it.
 
I'm 21. I'm broke as shit, owed $2k by an old boss who I stupidly let play me along because he was having a hard time, so I let him pay me when he was ready, and did the work anyway. That was 6 months pay by the way, i'm not really worth anyone spending more money on. We all know what being a good person gets you :(. Live out of home, 200km's from the town I grew up in. Living in a beautiful little country mountain town these days with my best mate. Life is hard, stressful, depressing, broke, we live off baked beans and don't know when they're going to cut the power. I'm BiPolar1, so this doesn't help with getting a job and stuff as employers up here are pretty judgemental.

And life is fucking good. In our prime, got no responsibility, no money to stress about what we need to buy - we can't afford it so don't think about it. The locals like us, mostly. Making a few friends here and there.

Live life guys, don't be stressing about what you'll be like when you're 40, or else you'll wake up one day and be 40. Be yourselves, and remember, human beings survived for a damn long time without money and government, you can do the same in a worst case senario.

<3
 
It can be man. You've just got to throw the future away and live in the now. I probably won't have savings and stuff in 10 years time, but i'll have memories, and they're worth more than money in my opinion.
 
i'm 21 and struggling with a 600 dollar a month job... Can't pay for shit... Can't do shit.. Living in a shithole..
Was one of the smartest kids back in school, got perfect scores on state tests and whatever the fuck
Everyone in my life has abandoned me

I have no hope for the future and I also have a lot of hope for the future, I don't know - the future is one massive gray area. I could still turn my life around and fix it, somehow, or just give up and be miserable for the rest of my life... what the fuck is the difference anyways?
 
^the difference would be a life that you can look back on and not regret, maybe in an area diffeent to the shithole you live in now, and a life where you can do the shit that you're complaining about not being able to do now, just guessing.
 
I feel the exact same way, but I'm a little younger. Luckily people keep telling me I'm young and to really have time to explore and live life.

Thinking of switching careers, and reminiscing of the great college/hs days. Need to get out of that mindset and look forward.
 
I'm 21 years old. missed being in that top 10% of my class by 0.05 on my Gpa. got a 29 on my act, had a full ride to college on an Rotc scholarship. was living on my own on campus paid for by my scholarship. had a car. lost it all.
I ended up moving back home with my parents after 3 years of being on my own. I'm unemployed, but still manage to go to college and balance drug court in my life. too be honest I'm hoping to outlive my parents and get their shit and ill be alright. they allow girls to stay over so things are okay with that. I'm not too worried though. I have a feeling everything is gonna be okay. the life I used to live, I'm surprised I'm alive today. everyday I wake up is a blessing and what happens during that day is just icing on the cake. though depending on how things go, Im thinking of packing up and moving to the UK :)
 
The world is fucked at the moment. Especially for us young people. Believe it or not this depression is going to hit us the hardest. Both talking about the present, and the future. Yes older people lose jobs too, but when those older people with experience go up against us younger people, at the same pay? And the older people have been laid off and are more willing to compromise, do whatever it takes....whereas some younger people have high expectations of life and demands? Us young folk are fuckeddddddddddddddddddd

Youth unemployment numbers are getting closer and closer to 50%. I think at the moment they're lower 40s. That is staggering and insane. 50% of young people without a job. I wonder how that is going to impact the rest of society. Violence and crime and drug abuse ^^^ for starters.

I guess I'm kinda lucky that I've grown up lower middle class.

Its not like I went without food every night or anything, but my family's reality has always curbed my expectations. I don't expect to be buying a million dollar home. I've never really had lofty ambitions. I am trying to be a teacher which is at best a so-so job in terms of pay. And I have been taught to NEVER over extend myself. Not even a little bit. Further to operate in a conservative fashion was also how I was brought up ie even if i COULD afford expensive stuff, I would NOT and save $ because one day the cash cow may run out.

Just how life is now a days. Instead of striking it out on your own after school, or even during, you move back home with mom and dad. Not enough jobs, not enough $ for me (and I'm sure many others) to do it differently. It actually is even more as I'm sure some of you have noticed, not because its "shameful" or anything. After all, its the norm now a days. What makes it harder is that our parents are NOT expecting it, nor happy about it. its totally different from how they grew up, how their life progressed. It might be just as hard as them as it is shitty for us.


I had half my tuition paid for to an awesome engineering college in Boston. I went, did drugs, flunked out. I'm back home now, unemployed (had a job for awhile, no longer), and finishing up an associates. I now owe 30,000$ for ONE YEAR of school. Even with half my tuition paid for in grants, I owe thirty fucking thousand dollars. Now i"m trying to go to a state school and get the rest of my BA paid for. Considering I already have more debt than some people do after 4 years of state school, yeah.

However, the difference maker: I dont go to school just for the degree. I feel this makes all the difference the world. I love learning, period. I dont see it as a means to an end. So despite this already insane debt hanging over my head, its kinda not as big a deal for me because I am not in it for the $.

If thats you? I'd recommend making $ another way. It is possible to "make it" without a degree. Ask Bill Gates or Schmidt or Zuckerberg. If $$$ really is a persons ultimate object there really are more simple, though not necessarily more easy, ways to obtain it.

Regardless, lifes rough. Reality of the world . I will tell you all this: I am SUPER HAPPY I quit doing opiates. Despite the bleak outlook for the world as a whole, I am so happy for that. You'd think the opposite: shitty future means fuck it and get high, right? Well I did that for awhile and a bleak future is made worse by drugs. Heroin does not make you happier, nor does it make the world better, nor more manageable.


im 25,and im stressed as fuck, i still dont know what i want out of my life, no idea what i want out of a career,its really fucking scary. Its hard out there. i just want to get a little shack on a tropical beach and raise my own food and spearfish....

I'm getting a degree but still thinking of saying fuck it all and buying some land in mexico or some shit. Worried about college loans? Skip the country! lol Thats my fall back plan.

I agree with whoever said the way of the world is going to cause more and more people to opt for less traditional life styles. Its inherent with the world not allowing the traditional route to be as common.
 
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Herbavore, great post from a great personality, thank you.

Late twenties here, and a bit stressed about future. Been thinking about relocating to countryside, preferably somewhere warm and try to be at least partially self sustained. I also believe, like some other posters before me, that this is a rising trend - young people are losing faith in style of life of our parents as means to happiness and are moving to more traditional values that include community / extended family, resourcefulness and appreciation of nature (not only as an ecological viewpoit, but rather what it has to offer for you without been first power farmed and processed).

I feel this is a very positive thing.
 
23, make a good salary in an overpaid industry. but then i did everything right in school, went to a good university etc... never had to deal with a crippling addiction though - only here out of morbid interest.

let's be real, there is plenty of opportunity to establish a career and live well even if we will never be as lucky as the boomer generation. friends/acquaintances from university are all doing well, but then these are people with innate motivation and ambition. still, we will probably have to reject the narrative of the last century and reconcile ourselves to the fact that the world will not become a more comfortable, wealthier place for us during our lifetime. hardly a tragedy.
 
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