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Tired of giving reassurance to psychedelic virgins

TheAppleCore said:
Because otherwise the experience is entered forcibly, which I'm sure we'd both agree would not lead anywhere pleasant. Maybe a form of psychedelia, but a destructive one.
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Perhaps, but I recall my own first experience which was accidental and done in lowered ability to judge, caused by a half a dozen shots of jagermeister, bottle of fortified wine and few long drinks. It was definitely not what I sought for nor what I'd done had I been sober, but I am very thankful I did as it turned out the most beautiful day and night in my life; And something I've sought again and again ever since. :)

Though I do agree that trip shouldn't be forced upon by others. Not even by subtle peer pressure.
 
to reiterate the above, you should never push someone who is reluctant to try trippin. some people are reluctant to let go and let the trip take them, when that happens, you can have a bad trip. the best way i can explain the way i feel about this is to say that people who lack the "fuck it factor" are better left to weed and alcohol. its a scary thing to watch someone who isn't ready go on thier first trip, it makes you feel awful for having suggested it and it messes up your trip on top of it.
bottom line, peer presure is not cool, its best to not bring it up with someone who has said no, it is annoying to the other party... no means no, in other words.
 
I have this. It costs this much. Take it or leave it. This is how much you get. We can discuss this further at a later point, provided you survive.

Thats what I say to convince people. As for advice, I'm happy to peddle that with my crazy anecdotes about my adventures. Right now I only have 1 battle left, with a girl who keeps saying she wants to do 2c-e then backs out every time I actually have it. Funny thing is I never actually bring it up on my own, say anything about it one way or other, and usually I end up dropping on my own or with someone else and have to spend the whole time listening to her say "Should I have some? Ahhh I dunno." (And some general paranoia that she is going to see dinosaurs everywhere and she has a dinosaur phobia)

It's starting to piss me off immensely to be honest. So to the OP, I hear you brother. Despite that, I much prefer that I'm in the know now, rather than the one asking the questions. That was my plan all along after all. This way I'm free to ask questions that I feel are actually important.
 
i remember being disappointed my first time trip, i dont remember the experience, but it was nothing like i was expecting. i made sure i got there soon, countless times ;) :x

its strange, i dont go recommend people try it, but i always feel sorry for people who havent, or wont. there is a whole network in our mind that we can never really explain, and its very important IMHO; being in touch with that part of ourselves.

better to ask people opinions, and hear others experiences though, then just go in headfirst with such things.
 
I figure it is better that they are cautious about it rather than running around being stupid about it the way young people can get about alcohol and shit.
 
^Agreed. People should at least know the risks and the precautions that should be taken to minimize those risks.
 
Slightly off topic, but what do you do with people who've already done a psychedelic and are completely convinced that they have brain damage? I've spent the (perhaps wasted) effort of trying to convince them again and again that what's doing them the most harm is the anxiety over having harmed themselves, but is this tantamount to convincing them that psychedelics are "ok"?

I mean, I don't really care for them to do acid again (acid being the offending compound -- they're fine with mushrooms because they're "natural"). I just don't want them to go through life forever suffering from self-induced anxiety. It's very frustrating when someone's "firsthand experience" trumps whatever actual evidence there is to the contrary. :!
 
Tell them they have brain damage.

If they're already convinced what difference does it make.
 
My approach is simple: I am happy to share what I know if people are curious, I am always happy to give people an idea of what to expect / watch out for as they consider trying a new drug I have experience with, but I don't try to persuade people either way anymore. I used to proselytize more to friends when I fell in love with a new drug, but there's just no point. IMHO, anyone who wants to try / is curious about trying psychedelics enough, at least here in the first world, has more than ample access to basic info on health and safety data, dosage, general effects profile, etc. of at least any common/well known drug. I talk about "drug stuff" and related neuroscience a lot with friends when it seems relevant, but when I'm talking about a specific drug to someone thinking of trying it, usually it consists mostly of informal trip reports and other subjective commentary.

My usual process, I guess, comes in two flavors: if someone is still pretty unfamiliar with a drug I tell them about, I'll give some basic info and tell them to read up on BL/erowid/pihkal/etc. if they're interested and to hit me back with any specific questions. If they've already done some research and are seriously considering trying it, that's when more extensive subjective commentary comes into play. If they're still at the 'believing LSD makes your brain stem bleed' point, I may try to correct their wrong-headed ideas but I won't be trying to convince them to take it anytime soon. Most of my friends know better than that kinda stuff, at least.
 
show them stuff like erowid.org

Or just talk about how awesome it was when you're around them when it's relevant of course.
 
I just want to add my 2 cents.

The other day I got an ounce of mushies. Out of the complete blue I randomly decided to spontaneously eat them last night. I called like 4 friends, and each of them agreed it would be a great night. I live in a frat house, and more people heard that we were doing it and jumped on board. The crew ended up being about 12 people, with half of them being first time trippers. All I said to the kids that were nervous was "I wouldn't eat these if you don't think you can handle it, but trust me, you'll love it.".

Long story short, we had an unreal time just wandering around the woods at night. I am a huge believer in being mentally prepared for tripping, but I do agree with the posters who say that TOO much research can make people anxious. None of these kids had ever been on a site like this and seen anything about "bad trips", and as a result, they had nothing but positive experiences.

Also though, the most I gave any of the first timers was a half-8th. So that might have helped them ease into it as well.
 
Whenever I'm thinking about doing a new drug, I always research the basic effects, dosage, health issues, etc. But I never read any trip reports or ask anyone how they liked it. I don't want someone else's trip to impact my experience one way or the other. I like to decide for myself whether or not I like a substance without any preconceptions.
 
I think that those preconceptions are created in someways simply by learning about basic effects or the drugs themselves, as humans we look for patterns and make judgments based on the patterns we perceive, you probably wouldnt be interested in psychedelics in the first place if you hadn't heard of how they affect people...i think the idea of having no preconceptions is almost impossible, but hey thats just my opinion, maybe Ive just taken to many psychology classes..

I went through the proselytizing phase myself, but now I have arrived at the place where I'll tell people the truth (ie, LSD doesn't "unravel your DNA") and about my experiences, but emphasize that these are MY experiences, that it is a highly subjective thing, that I seek out experiences like ego death or intense out of body experiences, and that Most people, actively avoid such experiences. the whole different bodies, different mindsets, different reactions type of thing
 
I know the feeling, it used to annoy me as well (at least on occasion), especially when they'd start spouting off all the bullshit propaganda they'd heard over the years. Just point them towards the beauty that is http://www.erowid.org, after that it's up to them!
 
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