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Tips on dealing with Bodyload?

SunnyHours

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Hi guys!

I'm thoroughly in need of a good trip...for some reason I never experience any bodyload when I'm tripping with some friends on a Planned trip.
However when it comes to tripping alone, like I am right now lol
I usually get absorbed by the bodyload...it feels like I'm overheating. I keep my composition even though I'm really uncomfortable in my skin, but it's annoying that I can't seem to have a good trip when I'm alone.
If I'm tripping on MDMA it's alright though, it's not really enjoyable without friends but I don't feel uncomfortable.

This time I went really low with a compound that has very little to no bodyload. I did 15mg 4-AcO-DMT nasally.

Anyways, just looking for some tips on how to get over those bothersome side effects.
Thanks a bunch!
 
My advice to you is to try to relax into any feelings that present themselves. In my experience most bodyload is from the body trying to resist what the effects are doing. Mostly this is subconscious but sometimes it isn't. Relax and absorb any feelings that show up and it will feel good.
 
Well, you can try keeping something cool around, like an icepack that's only partially frozen so as to be cool but not so cold that putting it on your skin is shocking or unpleasant. If you feel subjectively that your temperature is a bit high you could then apply it to any area with major blood vessels – ie neck (where the neck meets the jaw, on either side), back of the leg behind the knee (like the crook of your arm but for a leg), a wrist, or even the groin area (not right on top of the equipment, but on the inside of a thigh where it meets the body, towards the front so as not to freeze what aught not to be frozen). Those are all areas with to a of veins and arteries, so applying some form of cold press to such an area cools the blood, which then cools you faster than if you just simply put the cold pack on your skin wheee-the-fuck-ever.

Or you could try a cool shower. Showers are amazing on psychedelics just by themselves without any other uses. But I think rather than trying to address the symptoms you should try to get at the cause. By this I mean that the sensation of being overheated is likely psychosomatic, where the brain imagines that the body is feeling something. Obviously considering the state of extreme susceptibility to suggestion (whether said suggestion is initiated by another person or by yourself) that you are in while tripping the ability of psychosomatic symptoms is not that surprising!

I would try and think about why you don't experience this symptom in a group, both before dosing and while waiting for the come-up. I would venture that you're simply very distracted from your body and how it may or may not be feeling by the social situation when tripping with others. So I suggest trying to ensure that your mind and more over your attention are constantly engaged during the trip. Also, if you feel too hot, take a short period of time to simply lay down and relax yourself with closed eyes and enjoy the resulting visuals, I bet this will help wonders.

The other thing I suggest is that you practice the technique of telling your body and brain to settle down, as in telling your conscious and unconscious selves that you're simply tripping and it's the drugs making you goofy, and that the drug you're currently tripping on will no longer affect you in only a few short hours (ie once you come down). Also try and differentiate between sensations: the body buzz on 2C-B for example DOES make you feel like you're hot. But if you concentrate and block every thought from your mind save those related to contemplating the body buzz and its associated sensations, you will find that when you really pay attention what felt like heat is not heat but rather simply a component of the body buzz that could easily be mistaken for warmth if you don't pay an exaggerated amount of attention to it.

And finally in the same vein as learning to tell your body or mind to chill / learning to differentiate feelings similar to a given sensation from the actual sensation itself, I suggest that if all else fails and you just feel totally too hot, go get an under-the-tongue thermometer. Sit down and do that relaxation thing I mentioned in the first paragraph for a minute or two so as to not get a reading altered by a momentary increase in temperature from moving around. Once one or two minutes have passed, take your temperature. I bet it will be within the normal range for your physiology. This above all else would be my fall-back position were I you, but one that I imagine could be very effective indeed! The reason I would use this as a last resort is because if the symptoms are psychosomatic, as I believe they are, then the ideal / most-effective treatment will also be psychological / mental. There's absolutely nothing wrong with going straight to the thermometer and ignoring possible psychological or mental solutions to the issue if that's what you decide is best for you. It's simply my own personal position / opinion that psychological cures are best for psychologically-induced ailments. I figure it doesn't cost one anything extra to try to fix it mentally first, so that's where I'd suggest you start!
 
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Or you could try a cool shower. Showers are amazing on psychedelics just by themselves without any other uses. But I think rather than trying to address the symptoms you should try to get at the cause. By this I mean that the sensation of being overheated is likely psychosomatic, where the brain imagines that the body is feeling something. Obviously considering the state of extreme susceptibility to suggestion (whether said suggestion is initiated by another person or by yourself) that you are in while tripping the ability of psychosomatic symptoms is not that surprising!
This is my solution for my body load issues when it's an option. Other than talking yourself through it, or curling up in a fetal position and ride it down.
 
I mean I'm able to stay calm no matter the dosage, I just thought a low dose like that wouldn't bring on any bodyload.
Basically I don't ever get close to a badtrip because of that, but on lengthier Psychs I can get really antsy for it to stop
and it really ruins the trip when you are uncomfortable in your own skin...

But Deinonychus makes a good point about the why I don't experience the bodyload with friends.
What I think is that when I'm with friends, we almost always go to a parc or in nature.
Most amazing night was during canoe camping, on the shore around a bonfire and 25mg 4-ho-met gazing at the stars and we could see the the Milky Way.

So it might be the security of knowing that I'm not alone and it also feels safer chemical-wise.
But It could also be Nature. Somehow I get so captivated by nature, even not under the influence, but I truly get absorbed when on a psych, and maybe that's why I don't feel uncomfortable?
 
I know what you mean about the bodyload

I think it very often gets ignored when people talk about psychadelics, concerning more with the visual and mental effects, but personally I've always noticed weird body sensations, odd tactile feelings, skin feeling 'dirty' and so on. Getting in the pattern of focusing on it and not liking it is only a recipe for disaster as you mentioned, you become uncomfortable and begin to wonder when its going to end..
I think the trick, like with other 'negative' (I say this in quotations because Im sure some people love these odd body sesnations) aspects such as nausea or hot/cold sweats and so on, is to actually do enough of the substance so that you are focused more on the visual and mental, to the point that whatever uncomfortable body load there may be is blocked out to a point.

I really only have experience with mushrooms at this point but I know that low, or high doses, have always presented me with these odd and sometimes uncomfortable feelings.. im not sure but I think its something that is probably going to be similar with all compounds to an extent. So I think your plan of doing smaller doses is actually the opposite of what you want, since no matter what the bodyload is going to be there, and if its really not something you can handle, then perhaps experimenting with another substance is in order?
 
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Hydration (to keep things moving fluidly) and sugar (like their chemical brethren, the amphetamines, phenethylamines sometimes zap glucose, which has all sorts of bodily effects):

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Vasodilating muscle cream (and pills) for aches:

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Don't give chemical stomach upset a chance to happen, just stuff it up your butt with a rectal syringe (If you remember you only need enough volume to dissolve the compound you can keep the volume so low you won't even feel it; also, use baking soda [not powder] to neutralize acidic compounds [the ones that are reported to burn really bad when snorted]):

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In addition to the anti-nausea stuff already mentioned making sure you use products like these should help make psychedelic body load as painless as possible.
 
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IA: Don't you worry my friend, I have 2C-E, 4-Ho-DET (tried 4-Ho-MET already) and 5-MeO-MiPT. And I'm supposed to acquire some MET and DPT quite soon. I also have friend who has "access" to DMT.
So a lot of experimentation is in order, since I haven't tried any of these substances yet except for the 5-MeO-MiPT, which was pretty amazing given it's lightness

psood0nym: I do not have any problems with my stomach it's the weird body feelings that are annoying, otherwise I'm completely fine.
That cream or pills does sound like a good idea. It might actually be the vasoconstriction that causes my skin to feel this way...
 
^That's the idea, yeah. Really just your back and maybe your knees, as they're the parts that tend to ache. It takes about 40 seconds and costs cents. I'm not sure why you think it's lol worthy to be honest. Seems totally workable to me, especially considering one has already committed their time and efforts to tripping ... or you could simply swallow the l-arginine tablets, though it's not as targeted/effective as the cream.
 
I just got this image of a naked dude standing in his bathroom all wide eyed rubbing himself down with cream having the time of his life is all.

Maybe its workable for some of the more responsible users here, but Id venture that most people who dont trip at home by themselves or with a partner dont really have the means to pull out a tub of cream and start rubbin themselves down in front of a group of friends or whatever.. im sure its workable for you, just maybe not for everyone is all
 
If your friends are weirded out by perfectly sensible attempts to mitigate vasoconstriction that are only associated with the naked creme masturbation party you seem to be alluding to in the most reaching sense then they're socially self-oppressed neurotics who act dishonest with each other in deference to a dysfunctional sense of tact. People like that are awful to trip with because they try to hold their closed rigid structures of normalcy together while their minds are being chemically expanded beyond those same bounds. Surrounding yourself with people like that is a recipe for tension, suffocation, and agitation. If that's what your friends are like and they won't try harder then for the sake of your psychedelic well being I recommend you upgrade the company you keep.
 
Chelated MGN and zinc
Low dose klonopin or valium, esp the diazepam!
Stay hydrated
Low dose opioids (be careful with the opioids my opiate addiction caught me by suprise, found that every time I tripped I had to have benzos and usually heroin or oxycodone, esp for the comedown of some of the more stimmy psychedelics and empathogens)
 
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