So I went from suboxone to heroin and then prepped a heroin shot using a spoon and cotton that I had used to shoot 1.5 mgs of suboxone. So there is a rinse of suboxone in with the shot of heroin, who knows how much suboxone is left in it maybe .1 mg or something. If I shoot this, will I go into precipitated withdrawals or is it a small enough dose that I will be ok? I dont want to waste the shot of heroin, but I dont want to risk precipiated withdrawals wither.
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Bupe Tiny amount of suboxone got into a shot of heroin. What will happen if I inject it?
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BlueHues
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I doubt it honestly....why did you do this anyway?
InHerOwnWrite
Bluelighter
i would NOT risk it- i can't imagine a worse feeling than doing a shot expecting to get a nice dope high and being hit by precipitated WD instead...
InHerOwnWrite
Bluelighter
then again, i bet you already did the shot by now... so tell us, were you ok or did the bupe make its presence known?
BlueHues
Bluelighter
It's pretty easy to override a sublingual dose of suboxone less than 2 mg with IV heroin....and I guess IV bupe is 2.5 times as strong as sublingual?
It doesn't really start being a bitch of a blocker until you hit 4mgs and up IMO....I don't think it will really do shit unless you're doing a miniscule shot of dope...
Also, if you were shooting sub and that was the last thing you did, doing a little more sub wouldn't cause precipitated withdrawals anyway.....
Do you have a heroin habit or a suboxone habit?
It doesn't really start being a bitch of a blocker until you hit 4mgs and up IMO....I don't think it will really do shit unless you're doing a miniscule shot of dope...
Also, if you were shooting sub and that was the last thing you did, doing a little more sub wouldn't cause precipitated withdrawals anyway.....
Do you have a heroin habit or a suboxone habit?
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
It depends on how coated the spoon was... (for the record... you should always clean and sterilize your spoon/prep device before making another shot.. especially when doing a different drug and when suboxone was IV'ed prior.. ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
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If it was just a little left over rinse, I doubt it would be enough to effect you, but you still never know, the BA of IV suboxone being so high and all, it doesn't take much.
Be a little more careful in the future.. this could have been easily avoided if you would have just taken the 3 seconds to clean your spoon.. Is your health not worth 3 seconds?
) If it was just a little left over rinse, I doubt it would be enough to effect you, but you still never know, the BA of IV suboxone being so high and all, it doesn't take much.
Be a little more careful in the future.. this could have been easily avoided if you would have just taken the 3 seconds to clean your spoon.. Is your health not worth 3 seconds?
Ksa
Ex-Bluelighter
If I go back to my transport phenomena class, which I kind of hated, it can be deducted that the high viscosity boundry layer formed when the sub leftover mixed with the heroin had a zero velocity, so I don't think any subs went through, but with the cotton that's a different story. The boundry layer on the spoon will not mix unless you shake the crap out of it or rinse it several times in heroin, at least 3 times.
I can't find the youtube video showing this but, it's pretty amaizing how the boundry layer doesn't move...it's a video with an ink in a laminar flow. Can't find it.
To put it simple, if you let your spoon dry, you will likely have a layer of heroin on top of a layer of subs, and the two will not mix unless mechanically agitated.
I can't find the youtube video showing this but, it's pretty amaizing how the boundry layer doesn't move...it's a video with an ink in a laminar flow. Can't find it.
To put it simple, if you let your spoon dry, you will likely have a layer of heroin on top of a layer of subs, and the two will not mix unless mechanically agitated.
Ksa
Ex-Bluelighter
Boiling it with a lighter counts as mechanical agitation/convection -_________-
Kind of forgot you guys do that lol, I never done it myself.
Kind of forgot you guys do that lol, I never done it myself.
It depends on how coated the spoon was... (for the record... you should always clean and sterilize your spoon/prep device before making another shot.. especially when doing a different drug and when suboxone was IV'ed prior..
If it was just a little left over rinse, I doubt it would be enough to effect you, but you still never know, the BA of IV suboxone being so high and all, it doesn't take much.
Be a little more careful in the future.. this could have been easily avoided if you would have just taken the 3 seconds to clean your spoon.. Is your health not worth 3 seconds?
Of course its worth three seconds, Im just pathetically lazy and only clean my spoon and change cotton once or twice a week.
Ive a heroin habit. I took the sub one day when I ran out of heroin and didn't think I was going to be able to get more. Then i went back on heroin but used a different spoon for a couple days. then I prepped a shot with the old suboxone spoon cotton by mistake.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
I can get through 2 mgs sublingual with heroin no problem....even if you did get PWDs from that small an amount you could just do a little more dope and it will kick the suboxones ass....
Getting through 4mg sublingual is still doable but it takes a lot and you dont get the full effect....8mgs I wouldnt bother trying, it takes dangerous amounts to cut through that much....
the point I'm making is.....The only way that PWDs couldnt be reversed with full agonist opiates is if you took so high of a dose of suboxone that it just refuses to be bullied of those receptors!
Of course, they routinely prescribe people 8-24mgs a day....at least the 4 Sub docs I had did....
Getting through 4mg sublingual is still doable but it takes a lot and you dont get the full effect....8mgs I wouldnt bother trying, it takes dangerous amounts to cut through that much....
the point I'm making is.....The only way that PWDs couldnt be reversed with full agonist opiates is if you took so high of a dose of suboxone that it just refuses to be bullied of those receptors!
Of course, they routinely prescribe people 8-24mgs a day....at least the 4 Sub docs I had did....
ok thanks bro, i didnt do the shot yet because i got some other heroin and ive been using that. theres so little in that shot and its been sitting out for a day and a half now i dont know if i will even bother at this point
KillSurfCity
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the rinse is going to be such a small amount that i would just toss the cotton. it sucks, i know, but it really isn't worth risking.
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
You use the same cotton all week....? Are you kidding?
thesameoldfears
Bluelighter
SERIOUSLY. You can buy a pack of qtips at walmart for 94cents and get a couple hundred cottons from it. Pleeease don't reuse your cottons for a week.
Rob27shred
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Just like everybody else said please don't reuse your cottons even once let alone for a whole week!? Worst case scenario you can get septicemia & a whole host of other really nasty infections by reusing cottons & unsanatized spoons. Not trying to rag on you but that's really basic harm reduction.
down508
Bluelighter
if you haven't done any suboxone in the past 24-48 hours and have just been doing heroin in that time it will most likely put you into precipitated withdrawl. if you wait until it's been like 24 hours since your last heroin dose, or you've done suboxone already in the past 24 hours then it won't precipitate withdrawl but you probably wont feel the dope.
the safest thing to do is get back on suboxone and do the shot after you have already cleared all the h from your system and there's only sub in you. save the shot for the next time you do dope, or wait at least 24 hours after your last shot of h (this is assuming you did heroin for more than 24 hours)
and dude really? I understand being lazy, but reusing the same cotton for a week is fucking low. when I feel lazy I walk to the bathroom and grab a q-tip, put it in a ziplock baggy and take off little pieces when I need a filter to save myself a trip to the bathroom. reusing a spoon/cooker is one thing, not the best thing you could be doing but not the worst (although your seeing one of the many problems you can run into by doing this, aka contaminating heroin with an antagonist/partial agonist). reusing cottons on the other hand is just plain nasty. whay is the point of even using a filter if your going to use it over and over and let it sit wet while it festers and becomes colonized by god knows what. the heroin/bupe mix up is one thing, that may negatively affect you for an hour or two at the most, but your unhygienic prep technique is a much more serious issue. that's like begging for endocarditis, or worse, and if that's just a snap shot of your daily practices surrounding i.v. use chances are there are many other hr practices you are neglecting with even more serious consequences. if you are too lazy to get a new cotton more than once in a 7 day period I wonder if you're too lazy to do things like rinse needles in between uses (you are reusing them right?) or even use separate equipment when injecting with others. this is just a shot in the dark, I may be dead wrong, but in my experience it's a slippery slope and when your slacking at one hr practice pretty soon your slacking at them all. first it's not washing hands, then it's not rotating sites, then it's not cleaning injection site, then it's reusing needles, then it's reusing cottons, then it's not washing the cooker, then it's using questionable water sources, then it's not rinsing needles in between use, then everyone is dipping their needles in the same bottle of water, then people are sharing cookers, pretty soon if you're not vigilant you could be handing someone your used needle to use themselves, and before you know it you have hep c or some nasty bacterial infection. I know because I've been there. so please for your own sake don't go down that road and dont be so short sited.
the safest thing to do is get back on suboxone and do the shot after you have already cleared all the h from your system and there's only sub in you. save the shot for the next time you do dope, or wait at least 24 hours after your last shot of h (this is assuming you did heroin for more than 24 hours)
and dude really? I understand being lazy, but reusing the same cotton for a week is fucking low. when I feel lazy I walk to the bathroom and grab a q-tip, put it in a ziplock baggy and take off little pieces when I need a filter to save myself a trip to the bathroom. reusing a spoon/cooker is one thing, not the best thing you could be doing but not the worst (although your seeing one of the many problems you can run into by doing this, aka contaminating heroin with an antagonist/partial agonist). reusing cottons on the other hand is just plain nasty. whay is the point of even using a filter if your going to use it over and over and let it sit wet while it festers and becomes colonized by god knows what. the heroin/bupe mix up is one thing, that may negatively affect you for an hour or two at the most, but your unhygienic prep technique is a much more serious issue. that's like begging for endocarditis, or worse, and if that's just a snap shot of your daily practices surrounding i.v. use chances are there are many other hr practices you are neglecting with even more serious consequences. if you are too lazy to get a new cotton more than once in a 7 day period I wonder if you're too lazy to do things like rinse needles in between uses (you are reusing them right?) or even use separate equipment when injecting with others. this is just a shot in the dark, I may be dead wrong, but in my experience it's a slippery slope and when your slacking at one hr practice pretty soon your slacking at them all. first it's not washing hands, then it's not rotating sites, then it's not cleaning injection site, then it's reusing needles, then it's reusing cottons, then it's not washing the cooker, then it's using questionable water sources, then it's not rinsing needles in between use, then everyone is dipping their needles in the same bottle of water, then people are sharing cookers, pretty soon if you're not vigilant you could be handing someone your used needle to use themselves, and before you know it you have hep c or some nasty bacterial infection. I know because I've been there. so please for your own sake don't go down that road and dont be so short sited.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
I think the OP has long since thrown away the shot tainted with buprenorphine, which I can pretty much say from 7 plus years of combining these two drugs, wouldnt have done jack shit ANYWAY! If anything it might imperceptibly block some of the effects of the dope....Unless you have a 5mg twice a day hydrocode habit, that small of an amount of bupe ain't gonna do shit, that small of an amount doesn't have the power to bind that powerfully.....
I also think he gets the point that re-using cottons is bad....In other words, unless we wanna continue speculating about whether or not .25 mgs of buprenorphine will send you into precipitated withdrawal and continu to rag on him about re-using cottons for a week, this thread should be closed
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I also think he gets the point that re-using cottons is bad....In other words, unless we wanna continue speculating about whether or not .25 mgs of buprenorphine will send you into precipitated withdrawal and continu to rag on him about re-using cottons for a week, this thread should be closed
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down508
Bluelighter
I think you might be slightly underestimate the strength and binding ability of bupe. if the shot had 300 micrograms of bupe in it I have no doubt it would precipitate withdrawl if he is already on dope, or make his withdrawls go away if he's w/d'ing from dope.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
Buprenorphine is strong, and can be used in small doses to alleviate withdrawal symptoms, but sfter being scripted them for years and years, 60-90 8ms a month, I've used them in just about every conceivable situation, and even though bupe, as a drug, has a much higher binding affinity than just about anything else, that small of a dose isn't enough to out compete even a modest dose of heroin.....
If you think that it does, fine....It really doesn't matter one way or the other to me.....
If you think that it does, fine....It really doesn't matter one way or the other to me.....