Tincture: 0.5-1mg Salvinorin A per ml of ethanol. Wait! Doesn't that mean we can...

[phew]

Simply add a few drops to a surface, evaporate the ethanol, and get Salvia crystals at an already measured dose?

In all my perusal of the forums out there, I have never seen anyone suggest this. Please excuse me (kindly) if that's because of impracticality that I am unaware of. There seems to be nothing preventing one from doing this based on all the evidence. I would be incredulous if it were completely impossible, and at this moment I'm convinced that it is absolutely possible.

No one else has ever said anything like this. Everyone attempts to extract on their own (costly, time consuming, dangerous) or use the tincture as is (hahaha).

I am about to purchase some tincture, evaporate and see if I get some crystals on my glass. I will then scrape and attempt to vaporize. The problems with crystals seem troublesome: too little smoke which disperses before it can be inhaled, tendency to increase dose to dangerous levels (mistakenly believing that a perfectly fine dose was "too low"), extreme intensity.

A little bit of plant matter should solve the smoke problem. Just enough to produce enough smoke for the Salvia to travel with, as it does with extracts/plain leaves. It would be much, much less than an X dose, but it will do the trick. I get what might effectively be 40x or so for much cheaper and at doses far more standardized.

I am confident that an ml of ethanol cannot possibly contain a dosage high enough to present extreme danger. I will possibly try half an ml at first.

But please, if I'm wrong. Burst my bubble. Don't let me waste my money. But you'd better have a good argument and evidence to back you up.


P.S.: Note that I am a hardhead who has tried every method of smoking 20x without breakthrough. Even with large amounts of extract. I'm still going to approach this with great caution.

 

[Shakti]

Well you're in all likelihood not going to get crystals. You'll get a greenish goo, because your tincture will more than likely be a concentrated simple ethanol extract. You could theoretically vaporize this, but it is tricky as you mention.

My suggestion is that you use the tincture sublingually. It's a method I've been meaning to try for a while. It's supposedly slows the experience down and stretches it out.

Also, maybe the 20x you're smoking is weak. The extract ratings really mean next to nothing. I've smoked 10x that was the shit and 40x that was disappointing. Try another source. Also, regardless of the smoking method, hit it fast and hard.

 

[drugs]

Funny that you mention it. This just occured to me the other day while browsing salvia vendors, looking for a good extract. I dont particularly enjoy the massive amounts of vile tasting smoke one has to inhale to get effects from salvia, so this would be a ideal solution.
Like already mentioned, I guess it depends on how the tincture is made: crude extract versus, pure, isolated salvinorin a in solution. Im guessing the former is likely with most products.
If you try this please report back with your results.

 

[carbon unit]

In my case, I could feel nothing other than some tingles for maybe the first 10 times I tried salvia 10X... then, suddenly I was allowed to enter the gates and had a mind blowing experience that was more psychedelic than any acid I ever encountered.

From that point on, even a single good hit of 10X propelled me into salvialand.
Even the regular leaf has a strong effect for me.

Some weird reverse tolerance or initiation process at work for me I guess.

My girlfriend experienced the same thing... many attempts resulting in nothing at all until suddenly BAM. It scared the shit out of her.

 

[psood0nym]

The easiest way to get mostly pure salvinorin A is to buy some 100X and soak it in some 90 percent IPA and strain it through a filter (micron is best but even a t-shirt should result in crystals I would think). I don't think the experience is going to be much different than smoking extract though. The only reason I've wanted salvinorin A has been to attempt an intramuscular injection using DMSO in order to slow down the rate of onset to somewhere between smoking and tincture to see if anything interesting comes of it.

 

[psilocybonaut]

The only reason I've wanted salvinorin A has been to attempt an intramuscular injection using DMSO in order to slow down the rate of onset to somewhere between smoking and tincture to see if anything interesting comes of it.

You would use DMSO as the solvent to dissolve it in? I really wouldn't recommend that with anything UNLESS you know you have pure, synthesized Salvinorin-A (which used to be available on the research market). Could it be IV'ed this way?

 

[DwayneHoover]

Dudes! The tincture is BETTER than smoking it! IMHO anyway. What a waste to dry it to smoke the crystals!!!

Smoking it is like "what the fuck was all that???"

Sublingual usage is much more long lasting, and you can actually observe the mental changes and remember alot more of what happens (IT DOES NOT WORK HARDLY AT ALL IF YOU SWALLOW IT, so don't bother.)

1. IMPORTANT: Rinse your mouth with Listerine (the alchohol and menthol both increases absorption).
2. Mix the tincture with about 1/4 the volume of hot water (reduces the burn and increases absorption even more)
3. Put a dropperful or more under your tongue and HOLD IT THERE AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, even if you start lots of salivating, stuggle to NOT swollow and hold it there as long as possible, 10-20 minutes... it can be tough, but you can do it man... and its worth it!!!
4. Relax somewhere quiet, try to avoid noise or disturbances... sitting very very still will assist the Salvia Trance to take effect... sound and movement definitely aborts the process, in my experience anyway stillness and quiet help alot.
5. If you have to spit before it starts to work, do another round, or try it without the added water.

Read about using the tincture here:
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...ublingual+salvia+tincture+dosing+instructions

I used the Emerald Essence from Daniel Siebert (the original discover and researcher of salvia and of the active component Salvinorin-A). Other brands may work but that one I know for sure is real and the highest quality possible.... comes with detailed dosing instructions.

 

[phew]

Dudes! The tincture is BETTER than smoking it! IMHO anyway. What a waste to dry it to smoke the crystals!!!

Smoking it is like "what the fuck was all that???"

Sublingual usage is much more long lasting, and you can actually observe the mental changes and remember alot more of what happens (IT DOES NOT WORK HARDLY AT ALL IF YOU SWALLOW IT, so don't bother.)

1. IMPORTANT: Rinse your mouth with Listerine (the alchohol and menthol both increases absorption).
2. Mix the tincture with about 1/4 the volume of hot water (reduces the burn and increases absorption even more)

Honey works too and eliminates the burn completely, they say.

I used the Emerald Essence from Daniel Siebert (the original discover and researcher of salvia and of the active component Salvinorin-A). Other brands may work but that one I know for sure is real and the highest quality possible.... comes with detailed dosing instructions.

Too expensive and unnecessary I've found. You can make better with fresh salvia leaves for much less. In one hour using ethanol and a microwave.

 

[psood0nym]

Dudes! The tincture is BETTER than smoking it! IMHO anyway. What a waste to dry it to smoke the crystals!!!

Smoking it is like "what the fuck was all that???"

Sublingual usage is much more long lasting, and you can actually observe the mental changes and remember alot more of what happens (IT DOES NOT WORK HARDLY AT ALL IF YOU SWALLOW IT, so don't bother.)

1. IMPORTANT: Rinse your mouth with Listerine (the alchohol and menthol both increases absorption).
2. Mix the tincture with about 1/4 the volume of hot water (reduces the burn and increases absorption even more)
3. Put a dropperful or more under your tongue and HOLD IT THERE AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, even if you start lots of salivating, stuggle to NOT swollow and hold it there as long as possible, 10-20 minutes... it can be tough, but you can do it man... and its worth it!!!
4. Relax somewhere quiet, try to avoid noise or disturbances... sitting very very still will assist the Salvia Trance to take effect... sound and movement definitely aborts the process, in my experience anyway stillness and quiet help alot.
5. If you have to spit before it starts to work, do another round, or try it without the added water.

Read about using the tincture here:
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...ublingual+salvia+tincture+dosing+instructions

I used the Emerald Essence from Daniel Siebert (the original discover and researcher of salvia and of the active component Salvinorin-A). Other brands may work but that one I know for sure is real and the highest quality possible.... comes with detailed dosing instructions.

Is there some way to boil down the tincture and prepare it in a way that makes rectal administration possible? This would increase bioavailability (I suppose). Maybe boil down to goo then dissolve in DMSO/water solution?

 

[phew]

I'm now wondering, however, if it's possible to use Salvia orally with the aid of PEG, similar to how DXM uses PEG to aid absorption. Both dissolve in ethanol, but ethanol doesn't get either in your bloodstream because it dilutes in the stomach. The question is if I can mix Salvia with PEG, gel cap it, and swallow.

Salvia is orally active, but it has low solubility in the stomach.

 

[DwayneHoover]

Honey works too and eliminates the burn completely, they say.

Too expensive and unnecessary I've found. You can make better with fresh salvia leaves for much less. In one hour using ethanol and a microwave.

Thanks very much for the tips! Its been awhile, due to the expense of the Siebert, so I may need to make my own and visit that special, piney, sunny Cobalt-Blue realm again.

Are fresh (not dried, right?) leaves generally available? Do you have a pointer to a good tincture recipe?

 

[phew]

Thanks very much for the tips! Its been awhile, due to the expense of the Siebert, so I may need to make my own and visit that special, piney, sunny Cobalt-Blue realm again.

Are fresh (not dried, right?) leaves generally available? Do you have a pointer to a good tincture recipe?

This proves to be a "best known" secret. I've found a few references to it on diverse communities and some swear by these methods and argue that tincture rivals smoking. I've yet to try it, but I definitely will try this over purchasing commercial tincture and suffering the time tested and detested method of burning my tongue and possibly walking away empty handed.

Here:
http://www.spiritplants.org/salvia-plane/topic258.html

The recipe calls for making a dose at a time with great caution. You could possibly, conceivably skip the microwave if you are highly risk averse and patient. You could also try commercial tincture if you have the funds to spare and just add the honey to that. I'm no expert, so you can put faith in the author's words over mine, I'm just suggesting a few things.