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Bupe Time to WD from 16mg, last dose 32mg?

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Hi guys,

I've been on 24mg bupe for a while. Recently I dropped to 16mg for perhaps 2 or 3 days and then one day had 32mg. That was yesterday. I haven't dosed today and want some people's opinions on, firstly, how long I would take to go into WD, and, secondly, if, once I went into WD, I waited a bit and then dosed something small to ward off the WD, that small dose would be my new dose effectively, or whether I'd still be needing 16mg or 24mg.

Peace, S.
 
man, i don't envy you. I am going to WD from 1 mg a day and I am dreading that!!!
 
Yeah see I want to get down to the lower doses. There seems to be a consensus to the effect that subs get shit in so many respects toward the higher doses. I want to be able to switch the methadone, or even just to dabble now and again. Which is impossible at higher doses of course. I'm gonna go to bed soon and possibly not dose tomorrow either. I have some valium and my hope is that if I go into WD and then have a small amount of subs, say, 1-2mg, I can reset my dose to a smaller amount.

I'd really appreciate some peoples' opinions on the question of whether or not this plan is viable.

S.
 
Most people are able to drop down to 2-4mg very easily with minimal discomfort.

There is a ceiling on the opioid agonist effects that is equivalent to about 30mg of methadone and for most people, they reach this between 2 and 4 mg so people often observe that they can taper or even drop down to 2-4mg hardly feeling a thing. If 4mg and 32mg produce the same amount of mu opioid agonism, you aren't going to experience classic opioid withdrawal symptoms dropping from one to the other.

Anxiety about the process may provoke some psychological or even physical discomfort but you should be able to rapidly taper from your dose down to 2-4mg with very little pain.

I don't see a reason to try to skip a dose - that won't have any effect except it will temporarily send you into withdrawal. If your aim is to get on a lower dose, just aggressively taper... if the taper is too fast and causing discomfort, then taper more slowly but as I said, most people can drop down quickly and easily.
 
Thanks alot for that. I suppose that one of the reasons for skipping is that I haven't actually 'taken' anything positive from a dose in so fucking long; it would be nice to have a bit of fun. But also it will probably be quicker this way I think.

How long do you think, remembering that my last dose was yesterday at 32mg taken orally, so around 10mg effective, I should expect to have to wait to even theoretically feel some WD?
 
ORALLY? Not sublingually?

I have no idea but it's still going to have a VERY long half-life and that's a massive dose. It wouldn't surprise me if you didn't feel withdrawal for 3 days or even longer but everyone is different.
 
Cane2theLeft said:
ORALLY? Not sublingually?

I have no idea but it's still going to have a VERY long half-life and that's a massive dose. It wouldn't surprise me if you didn't feel withdrawal for 3 days or even longer but everyone is different.
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Yeah wtf? Do you mean sublingually when you say orally? Or are you seriously just swallowing your pills?

If so, bupe should be dissolved under your tongue, not swallowed. If swallowed the effectiveness would go way way down.
 
Yeah I meant sublingually not orally. It's now 48 hrs since my last dose and I can't really stop yawning and my body feels really sore and stiff and I've have some shivering. Apart from basically feeling really seedy there isn't much else at this stage.
 
Man, I have to give it to this pharm, it has made it virtually IMPOSSIBLE for me to fuck up. I mean look at me now 50hrs without bupe and I'm not even really sick. I have turned down beautiful offers in the knowledge that I've been on bupe..
 
I believe day 5 is the worst from sub withdrawl, so don't get over confident, but I do wish you luck. If you want to get off I'd taper down to almost nothing first.
 
No you misunderstand; I mean that it is over 50 hours and I'm not even sick yet, i.e., bupe stays in one's system for so long it is extremely difficult to get it out and, say, mess up with full agonists. Hence the drug is extremely effective at doing what it was designed to.
 
Yeah you may not be feeling sick yet because you jumped off at a very high dose, and still have a good amount of it in your system holding you over for a few days. The half life is decently long. I take methadone daily and can go 72 hours without it before even getting a sniffle. You jumped off at a seriously high dose, so I think you may be in for a surprise, and a world of hurt for quite some time.

Not trying to scare you, but I just think you don't realize how high of a dose you were taking, most people can get by on 2-4 mg. They taper down to that range with virtually no trouble. I honestly think that you would be much better of if you stayed on the suboxone, and tapered down to a smaller dose before jumping off entirely. You can do the taper as fast or as slow as you want, but it will no doubt make the withdrawal much lighter and more bearable, thus more likely you'll get through it without relapsing.

Good luck though, and keep us updated.
 
suessmayr said:
No you misunderstand; I mean that it is over 50 hours and I'm not even sick yet, i.e., bupe stays in one's system for so long it is extremely difficult to get it out and, say, mess up with full agonists. Hence the drug is extremely effective at doing what it was designed to.
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If you're taking MASSIVE doses like you are, then yes this is true.

If you're taking the 1-4mg like most people around here are, then the blocking effect is far less pronounced and does not last as long.
 
Mmmmm, which is one reason I'm trying to get the dose down. I'm sick of feeling lethargic and over-medicated. The bupe worked GREAT initially but has slowly just become weaker and weaker, so that when I stopped I was only getting literally 20min of relief from my dose each day and then feeling raw, sober but fuck tired. It's like I was getting all the worst of the bupe with none of the good; sort of like, when you're on opiates, you get all the worst of alcohol with none of the good.

It's bizarre; since I stopped, everything has changed. Music sounds different, things feel different, look different...one has really only to have a bat to see how desensitising an effect the shit has.

I go back to uni in less than a month and really need to get the nasty bits out of the way before then.
 
62hrs now since my last dose annd nothing heavy, still only shivering and yawning and general feelings of seediness. This is a fucking mission! Fuck bupe!
 
suess i feel u but im telling u i am coming of of bupe been on 3 yrs i have tried to stop i been at 1 mg and couldnt my wds were bad not in ur usual way tho its really mental makes u sad nose will just drip all day long and rls i had was unbearable but i wish u luck try and get a few more do a super taper the withdraws last for ever not just 3 days hell it dosent even start until than it could last 2 weeks a week atleast if ur good. good luck brotha i feel ya pain fuck bupe
 
Dude i cannot believe you did not do your research when you are on such a high dose.. i am on a taper plan, I started at 8mg daily, now I am down to around 2mg daily, and tomorrow i go to 1.5mg ..

Jumping from 16mg is a good way to put yourself in a 4-5 week long Acute Withdrawal cycle ( not trying to scare you) just telling you how it is..

you NEED to get yourself to a MUCH lower dose before you decide to jump! are you with a doctor or are you getting them off the street?..

I have a great taper plan that will help you get down to 2mg in no time.. and if you want to Jump from 2mg you can (although I still would not recommend it)..

Ideally you want to make the jump from about .5 - .25 after skipping days. this beats the half life and this method had had the most success with little Wd.

Anyways.. you really need to reconsider, or prepare for a long long long battle..
 
And just do you know, the only reason you felt like this-------- "I'm sick of feeling lethargic and over-medicated. The bupe worked GREAT initially but has slowly just become weaker and weaker, so that when I stopped I was only getting literally 20min of relief from my dose each day and then feeling raw, sober but fuck tired. It's like I was getting all the worst of the bupe with none of the good; sort of like, when you're on opiates, you get all the worst of alcohol with none of the good."------ Is because you were on way to high of a dose.. i used to think " I need more" with the sub too, but when I started to taper down you would be amazed at how much more satisfying this medication is at smaller doses.. at 2mg, i get some euphoria that I never got at 8 mg .. suboxone is a very very potent medication and it has a weird way of showing its powers at smaller doeses..
 
From being scripted Subs for almost 2 years now, from a 240mg/day oxycodone habbit, they put me on 24mgs and lowered it a few times now on 10mg's per day. Ive always found that the doctors seriously over prescribed Suboxone. Ive been held on a single 2mg dose per day, every once in a while il take a 2nd 2mg. So 4mg a day tops holds me fine, no withdrawals, very little fiending lol, and overall feeling good other than the dificulty getting to sleep.

I guess they overprescribe it so that it will be almost impossible to break thru the 'sub wall' and use full agonists, but finding as low a dose as possible to hold you along with some will power and if possible some sort of anty-anxiety drug, benzo or not, will be just fine for you.

And as jmarket just said, 2mg is low enough to catch a little bit of a buzz also, kinda gives me a little extra pep to get things done.
 
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