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Time to Give Up Catholicism ?

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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/29/pope-francis-on-gays-who-am-i-to-judge/

Pope Francis said Monday that he will not "judge" gays and lesbians, including gay priests, signaling a shift from his predecessor and offering another sign that the new pope is committed to changing the church's approach to historically marginalized groups.

“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” Francis said in a wide-ranging news conference aboard the papal plane.
Though he was answering a question about the so-called "gay lobby" at the Vatican, the pope indicated a change in tone, if not in teaching, in the church's stance towards gays and lesbians more generally.
The pope was flying back to Rome from Brazil, where he spent the past week celebrating World Youth Day, an international Catholic event that drew millions.
Taking questions from reporters aboard the plane, the pope addressed nearly every hot-button issue facing the Roman Catholic Church: its alleged "gay lobby," Vatican bank corruption, the role of women, abortion, homosexuality and his own personal security.
But it was the pope's remarks on homosexuality - the fact that the head of a 1 billion-member church said that it's not his place to judge gays - that caused the widest stir.
"Pope Francis's brief comment on gays reveals great mercy," said the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and editor at America, a Catholic magazine based in New York.
"Today Pope Francis has, once again, lived out the Gospel message of compassion for everyone," Martin said.
The pontiff spoke for an hour and a half in the back of the plane that was carrying him back to Italy after his first international trip as pope to Brazil, where he was greeted by massive, frenzied crowds at every turn.
"I'm happy. It has been a beautiful trip, spiritually speaking; it has been good to me. I'm tired enough but with a heart full of joy," he said.
Here are the highlights from his press conference.
On the 'gay lobby' and homosexuality
The pope addressed the issue of an alleged "gay lobby" within the church. Hints that the Holy See contained a network of gay clergy surfaced last year in reports about a series of embarrassing leaks to Italian journalists.
The "Vatileaks" scandal factored in Benedict's shocking decision to resign this year, according to some church experts, as it impressed upon the 86-year-old pontiff that the modern papacy requires a vigorous and watchful presence.
"There's a lot of talk about the gay lobby, but I've never seen it on the Vatican ID card!" Francis said.
"When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn't be marginalized. The tendency (to homosexuality) is not the problem ... they're our brothers."
 
Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Gensis 19:1-11 described the story of Sodom and Gommorah which oddly enough sound like San Francisco and New York today where all manner of homosexual acts (sodomy) occur and subsequently the cities are destroyed

Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 Timothy 1:8-10, Jude 7, Romans 1:18-32, ect.

There is no altering these words to say that the Scriptures agree with homosexuality. Not just the gays "private lives", go to the "Pride" Parade (ironically Pride is one of the 7 deadly sins) you will see men walking around in thongs, assless chaps, putting on scenes akin to a low-budget pornography on display for all to see.

Imagine your children seeing displays like this on a regular basis because they are living in a progressive liberal society. They may begin to think becoming a homosexual is okay. What if they have some troubles dating girls, they might turn to the warm orfices of a man's anus or mouth as an alternative because politicians have told them it's okay, because leftists have distorted to teachings of the Bible to such an extent that some would believe that sodomizers will be admitted entrance to the kingdom of God.

We have shifted the notion of the traditional family very far from what it once was, we are moving from man and woman to man and man or woman and woman is acceptable and I have no doubts if the radical left had their way that soon necrophiliacs, zoophiles and pedophiles will be marching for their right to "love" soon enough.

Any other Catholics thinking about jumping ship? Thinking of perhaps starting to attend an Eastern-Orthodox church. What do you think?
 
The main positive I derive from Catholicism is knowing instantly who the fuck to avoid:

OP said:
We have shifted the notion of the traditional family very far from what it once was, we are moving from man and woman to man and man or woman and woman is acceptable and I have no doubts if the radical left had their way that soon necrophiliacs, zoophiles and pedophiles will be marching for their right to "love" soon enough.

To anyone that is homosexual or cares about homosexuals, what you have written here would be offensive if it had any actual meaning. A slippery slope fallacy refers to the inability of the proponent to provide a causal link from one point to another. You are assuming that sexual liberation will lead to depravity, yet you are overlooking the lack of evidence for such a view and the fact that depravity and criminality are totally distinct and unrelated to sexual freedom. However, I suspect you are an uneducated troll, so whatever. Abandon the faith or not, it is immaterial really. The time of god-sanctioned hatred nonsense is drawing to a close anyhow; your individual actions are, as ever, meaningless. I will wave to you from the future when I arrive :)
 
Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Gensis 19:1-11 described the story of Sodom and Gommorah which oddly enough sound like San Francisco and New York today where all manner of homosexual acts (sodomy) occur and subsequently the cities are destroyed

Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 Timothy 1:8-10, Jude 7, Romans 1:18-32, ect.

There is no altering these words to say that the Scriptures agree with homosexuality. Not just the gays "private lives", go to the "Pride" Parade (ironically Pride is one of the 7 deadly sins) you will see men walking around in thongs, assless chaps, putting on scenes akin to a low-budget pornography on display for all to see.

Imagine your children seeing displays like this on a regular basis because they are living in a progressive liberal society. They may begin to think becoming a homosexual is okay. What if they have some troubles dating girls, they might turn to the warm orfices of a man's anus or mouth as an alternative because politicians have told them it's okay, because leftists have distorted to teachings of the Bible to such an extent that some would believe that sodomizers will be admitted entrance to the kingdom of God.

We have shifted the notion of the traditional family very far from what it once was, we are moving from man and woman to man and man or woman and woman is acceptable and I have no doubts if the radical left had their way that soon necrophiliacs, zoophiles and pedophiles will be marching for their right to "love" soon enough.

Any other Catholics thinking about jumping ship? Thinking of perhaps starting to attend an Eastern-Orthodox church. What do you think?

Except none of those were written in English and don't necessarily mean what they seem to mean. You have both a huge language and time gap, here.
 
Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Gensis 19:1-11 described the story of Sodom and Gommorah which oddly enough sound like San Francisco and New York today where all manner of homosexual acts (sodomy) occur and subsequently the cities are destroyed

Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 Timothy 1:8-10, Jude 7, Romans 1:18-32, ect.

There is no altering these words to say that the Scriptures agree with homosexuality. Not just the gays "private lives", go to the "Pride" Parade (ironically Pride is one of the 7 deadly sins) you will see men walking around in thongs, assless chaps, putting on scenes akin to a low-budget pornography on display for all to see.

Imagine your children seeing displays like this on a regular basis because they are living in a progressive liberal society. They may begin to think becoming a homosexual is okay. What if they have some troubles dating girls, they might turn to the warm orfices of a man's anus or mouth as an alternative because politicians have told them it's okay, because leftists have distorted to teachings of the Bible to such an extent that some would believe that sodomizers will be admitted entrance to the kingdom of God.

We have shifted the notion of the traditional family very far from what it once was, we are moving from man and woman to man and man or woman and woman is acceptable and I have no doubts if the radical left had their way that soon necrophiliacs, zoophiles and pedophiles will be marching for their right to "love" soon enough.

Any other Catholics thinking about jumping ship? Thinking of perhaps starting to attend an Eastern-Orthodox church. What do you think?

Are you just blatantly ignoring Romans Chapter 2?

2 Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.

2 And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things. 3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?

4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

Within the Christian belief system, no sin is greater than the other, so unless you're some sort of Saint, it clearly states in the Bible that you do not have the right to judge other people for their "sins".

Maybe it is time for you to read up on your bible, my friend.
 
Are you just blatantly ignoring Romans Chapter 2?

2 Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.

2 And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things. 3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?

4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

Within the Christian belief system, no sin is greater than the other, so unless you're some sort of Saint, it clearly states in the Bible that you do not have the right to judge other people for their "sins".

Maybe it is time for you to read up on your bible, my friend.

No sin is greater than any other? So premarital sex you would say is equal in God's eyes to murder?
 
The Bible...
I'd rather read Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark.
Oh and last night I Got fucked up with my BOYFRIEND and we DID read it and had gay sex with whipped cream.
"Sinny siiiiin sin.".. Little Friday humor for ya.
Atheist .
 
The bible was written by men according to the beliefs and morality they had back then.

They wrote down their dreams and their thoughts.

Still believe the bible is the word of god? Well then, you havent really read it then, have you?

So be gay, be happy, whatever, the bible is just a book, written by men who did not understand the science behind reality.
 
Does anyone else think that there is no need for a book as big as the Bible for a religion that is supposedly simply based on love? Honestly, is there even a need for such a complex and twisted religion seemingly focusing on basic stuff that even a child understands? I gave up catholicism when I was 15-16 although all my family are catholic and recently I've been trying to help them open their minds and see that the only point of their church is manipulation. When it comes matters such as existence, I don't expect to find much truth in a place where I found at least one lie and catholicism is based on a lot of lies and misrepresentations. This is so sad that a group of people took wise words of Jesus (whoever the author(s) is/are) and interpreted them for their own benefit. Catholic Church makes people stupid sheep who can't think for themselves, thus denying the true great nature of human beings. Although Catholic Church seemingly teach people, they mostly feed people with ambiguity and make them believe it's all they need to know and obey to be saved. They simply create and use fear to manipulate people and they're much responsible for people being further and further away one from another.
 
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These are just typical comments from people who refuse to evolve. You allow your religion to give you an excuse to hate a group of people. You are sick and delusional. You people actually think nk that gay people are ruining marriage? What a joke.

It seems to me that straight people are ruining marriage since the rate of divorce keeps climbing higher and higher. Sorry can't blame the gay community for that one.

Your whole basis for your way of thinking is based on a book of stories that have been retranslated. Even if they were translated properly does that mean that you still have to agree with it? So I guess you agree with everything you read?
What a fucking joke. Go light some candles you dellisional fool.
 
Does God ever rank the sins? No?

Then a sin is a sin. You're going to hell.

I am pretty sure that he does indeed rank them. There are layers to Heaven Itself.
However it does get murky...If you try and take over heaven you get a throne at the seat of Hell.
 
Sigh... this post makes me sad. A hater using religion - once again - to justify hate. And you're bringing the political hot-button issue speak into it too, talking about the radical liberal left and their desire to undermine cultural institutions. I hope for you that you're able to see past this murky bog of a sick and outdated belief system derived from the aspects of religion that enforce social control as well as the ridiculous political media circus (which is happening equally on both "sides" by the way), so that you can feel the beauty of loving other people for who they are, and so you're able to release your fear and hate, which are both toxic to you. There's not some homosexual and liberal plot to destroy families. You're coming from a nonsensical position of fear and real people, people just like you at the core, just with different preferences and beliefs, are suffering for it.

You claim to be Christian... then you need to go by Jesus' words, not Old Testament scriptures. The Old Testament is describing the world and religious status quo which Jesus came into, and Jesus was specifically trying to change this into a belief system based on love and acceptance. To follow the OT is to miss the entire point and meaning of Jesus' ministry.

Yes, it's time to give up on Catholicism, but not because it's become too lenient... 8( It's because it's an instrument of social control, established by the Romans in order to prevent revolt among the people in whom Christianity was spreading rapidly. It has grotesquely bastardized Jesus' teachings and inflicted unfathomable suffering in the world over the centuries. THAT is why it should be given up.
 
Yes but read what I wrote. He was Jewish in ethnicity but he disagreed with the status quo and was trying to make something new. He never once said "thou shalt follow the rules already written". He said, basically, all you need is love for all of your fellow man. You should give what you have to the poor. Things like that. It's so opposite of what religions like Catholicism have come to represent. It seems to me that Jesus, were he alive again today, would be in direct opposition to Catholicism. He preached a joyous, loving belief system which if anything resembled a rather extreme form of socialism, not a repressive, polically powerful, monetarily covetous, guilt-ridden vehicle of fear, control and hatred.

If he was just a good Jewish boy and wanted us to listen to the Jewish scriptures, he would have been a rabbi and we wouldn't have a separate religion right now.
 
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