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Opioids Time to get serious about quitting opioids

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diver

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I began my affair with Opioids probably a decade ago.
Basically it's my preferred high, and if it weren't for the downside of the agony of withdrawal, I would probably continue to use in moderation for the remainder of my life.
I can't stand the way I feel on alchohol, I don't like my behavior on alchohol or the behavior of others who've been drinking. Cannabis does nothing good for me, nor does any other drug.
But I am the person I want to be on opioids, patient, tolerant, attentive listener, better worker, better friend.
But what happens to me when I can't get my medication is not a good thing.
I could elaborate on this. I'll just make a long story short and say I wanna quit.
I've read many similar stories here, all sounding very familiar.

So I'm just wondering what other ppls opinions are on a good route to go.
I have no insurance so I can't afford to go through the doctor. or to a rehab facility.
Presently my daily dosage is pretty low. I'm at about 5 or 6 10/325 percs per day or the equivalent. And I can get those at a reasonable price, so monthly I spend less than if I were going to the bar.

I guess the thing that I'm most curious about is whether buprenorphine is an easier drug to work with, easier to kick than if I were to simply cut back and wean myself off using the drugs I am using presently (Either percocet or OCs)?

I'm a Calif resident and I'm uninsured and I don't really want to begin a treatment program because of how it could potentially effect my employment. Although if I were able to afford a program I'd be willing to go that route providing confidentiality were adhered to. Any suggestions on what way to go on this?


Thanks in advance
 
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At your doses, Kratom would do wonders to get you off the hard opiates. If you'd be interested in examining this avenue, do a search or PM me for info. I'd gladly share how/why it's so effective and what you'd need to do to use it effectively.
 
SaosinEngaged said:
At your doses, Kratom would do wonders to get you off the hard opiates. If you'd be interested in examining this avenue, do a search or PM me for info. I'd gladly share how/why it's so effective and what you'd need to do to use it effectively.
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I'll do a search... I'll PM you

Thanks
 
Along with the Kratom try some KavaKava. The Kratom will help with the body and the KavaKava will help with the anxiety feelings. It's been used in the islands forever. I've read that now it's even being prescribed instead of benzo type drugs.

I'm on Hydrocodone 10/325 @ 4 a day. I over did things around the house for about 3 weeks and ended up running out of my script taking up to 7 a day. I took 2 1/2gr to 5gr of the Kratom and around 3gr of the KavaKava a day. I didn't feel great, but I was in no real WD and even slept up to 9 1/2 hours a night. It even helped a little with my chronic pains.

Last year I was on 120mg to 180mg a day of Oxycodone. When I started in pain management I was put on Suboxone for 3 weeks then put on Percocet 10/325 @ 4 a day. Along with the Suboxone they also gave me Xanax, Flexural, etc. to help. There was still WD, but it was good to get my doses down. With the long half life I think you will find the Suboxone harder to get off of then the Percocet. But everybody is different, so it may be the way to go for you. From my experience with both, I would try the Kratom & KavaKava first and see how it goes.

Leaping Gnome
 
50-60mg. of oxy won't be all that difficult physically to w/d from.
in the grand scheme of things..it's not a huge habit.
i really don't see any reason for rehab or switching to bupe.
as long as you're mentally/emotionaly able to say good-bye and taper..
you should be fine w/that route.
no reason to complicate things.
kratom helps lots of peeps in w/d..
just remember it's a substance that holds
the chance for addiction, also.
 
Just be aware of this:

You said "you are the person you want to be on opiates". I myself used to make an identical claim, although it truly is nothing more than a bullshit justification.

Why is it bullshit, you ask? Because obviously you CAN BE that person, independent of the drugs. Drugs do not create people, do not create personalities, they simply change them. Drugs did not create this person, simply allowed you to behave that way. Meaning you are MORE THAN CAPABLE of becoming the person you want to be, sober.

The person that you want to be is there inside of you already. The only difference is to become the person you want to be, without drugs, will take hard work, dedication, and perseverance (amongst many other adjectives i could use). Drugs are the shortcut to that but the shortcut comes with heavy costs, which eventually rob you of the end goal altogether.
 
Yeah my dosage isn't that high right now, that's why it's a good time to quit.
Thanks for all the advice... Everyone
Wish I could buy kratom locally, I need to order some.
 
This is all such good news - Still I can't find a shop locally that even knows what Kratom is.
This is HUMBOLDT COUNTY CALIFORNIA! Fer CRYIN OUT LOUD!
 
DooMMooD said:
Just be aware of this:

You said "you are the person you want to be on opiates". I myself used to make an identical claim, although it truly is nothing more than a bullshit justification.

Why is it bullshit, you ask? Because obviously you CAN BE that person, independent of the drugs. Drugs do not create people, do not create personalities, they simply change them. Drugs did not create this person, simply allowed you to behave that way. Meaning you are MORE THAN CAPABLE of becoming the person you want to be, sober.

The person that you want to be is there inside of you already. The only difference is to become the person you want to be, without drugs, will take hard work, dedication, and perseverance (amongst many other adjectives i could use). Drugs are the shortcut to that but the shortcut comes with heavy costs, which eventually rob you of the end goal altogether.
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hmm...you might be right but i always agreed with OP's way of thinking too. The drugs make it easier to behave in a certain way. That certain way, in my opinion, is the way i'd like to behave always, but when i'm sober i guess it's just my way of thinking and the way my brain works that doesn't allow me to act like that. you might be right though...it might just be a sick way of thinking that heroin gives to you, or opiates in general, for that matter.
 
DooMMooD said:
Just be aware of this:

You said "you are the person you want to be on opiates". I myself used to make an identical claim, although it truly is nothing more than a bullshit justification.

Why is it bullshit, you ask? Because obviously you CAN BE that person, independent of the drugs. Drugs do not create people, do not create personalities, they simply change them. Drugs did not create this person, simply allowed you to behave that way. Meaning you are MORE THAN CAPABLE of becoming the person you want to be, sober.

The person that you want to be is there inside of you already. The only difference is to become the person you want to be, without drugs, will take hard work, dedication, and perseverance (amongst many other adjectives i could use). Drugs are the shortcut to that but the shortcut comes with heavy costs, which eventually rob you of the end goal altogether.
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This is true. I've been examining this lately. A shortcut to becoming the guy I want to be.
People like me better, I like myself better, I do a better job, I sleep better... Just take a pill
The rough part is how to do it without any chems. Obviously there things lacking or I have my priorities wrong.
 
rules said:
hmm...you might be right but i always agreed with OP's way of thinking too. The drugs make it easier to behave in a certain way. That certain way, in my opinion, is the way i'd like to behave always, but when i'm sober i guess it's just my way of thinking and the way my brain works that doesn't allow me to act like that. you might be right though...it might just be a sick way of thinking that heroin gives to you, or opiates in general, for that matter.
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I don't panic or over react to things when I have opioids in my system. I just handle the rough spots a lot more smoothly.
Wish I could be sober and stay as cool as when I'm high.
I'm a lot less cynical when I'm high
 
diver said:
I don't panic or over react to things when I have opioids in my system. I just handle the rough spots a lot more smoothly.
Wish I could be sober and stay as cool as when I'm high.
I'm a lot less cynical when I'm high
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that's what i'm saying...i dedicated a thread to this thought (:
 
rules said:
that's what i'm saying...i dedicated a thread to this thought (:
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Where is this thread? Might be interesting.
The true issue is to have the backbone to change my situation. No matter how much backbone a person might believe they have there are things that challenge our limits and make us want to back down.
 
diver said:
I don't panic or over react to things when I have opioids in my system. I just handle the rough spots a lot more smoothly.
Wish I could be sober and stay as cool as when I'm high.
I'm a lot less cynical when I'm high
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Who does honestly? You're not going to get very far into living a sober life with that mindset. The way you are thinking now is exactly why opiates are so addictive they give you a false sense of well being. I felt the exact same way you did the first few years when my dose was that low, just wait until they start losing that effect on you and then you need them just to feel normal. I guarantee you wont feel the way you do now you will be everything that you didnt want to be and will be stuck in the miserable cycle of addiction. It seems to me that you just have trouble dealing with feelings in life that are normal, I suggest you get clean and work on your coping skills before you end up in a world of shit. You havent lost total control and hit rock bottom yet thats why you feel like they are helping you. Im not trying to be a dick im just speaking from personal experience of myself and many friends and family members that are going through the same thing.
 
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