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Benzos Tifluadom Experiences? And Other Substances Sought

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edwarrdbernays

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Hello all. My first question is this: has anyone tried tifluadom? I saw someone say that kappa agonists aren't more popular because of their dysphoria and "feeling like garbage," but I actually really fucking love salvia divinorum and conversely kratom feels pretty shitty to me.

Second, not a sourcing question. There are a couple of substances I've never seen in the wild. I'm just wondering if anyone here has. That list includes:
1. (obviously) tifluadom
2. symmetry
3. gaboxadol
4. 4C-D
5. isoDMT
 
There is no such thing as "symmetry in the wild" because there's no market. Even the most diehard tripper psychedelic fiends don't use that shit, there's one report of human use.
 
pcplease said:
are you sure thats its common term?
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It is the common term, it's a nickname for Salvinorin B Ethoxymethyl Ether. You can read about it in this link here. From the list of drugs that OP was asking about, I've only ever heard of 4C-D being around, and that was for a brief period 10-20 years ago. People mostly hated it since they were looking for something intense, and 4C-D is notoriously subtle. Most of the old reviews of it are that "every batch was bunk" or "this shit didn't even get me high". I've come across accounts of people trying to vaporize it in oil burners and IV it and the sort to try to get more of a high out of it, but it's an inherently very subtle drug, it seems.
 
Ah thank you, i may have at least glossed over this one- i first subjected myself to salvia right about 20yrs ago as a young teen and had a period of pretty consistent salvia use during undergrad years. Salvia itself has so much to offer that putting effort into a unicorn like this seems unnecessary to me
 
Esperighanto said:
I'd personally love to, I know 5 people irl who would give almost anything for a chance at it too. Salvia enthusiasts are more common than you'd think, it seems.
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man if salvia 80x ain't enough dissociation for you, you might need help. I'm not tryna be a dick but that shit would be the scariest, worst high ever. Coming from a 'salvia enthusiast', it just seems disrespectful to the plant to chemically alter it because its "too weak" (which it isnt), just smoke more. Its five times more potent than pure slavinorin a and lasts for hours. Have you ever had pure salvinorin a? A decent dose of that shit would be enough to make you not want to try this shit.

I can guarantee you that none of the 6 people you listed would enjoy it. Maybe a tiny dose, at which point just smoke salvia.
 
daturetard said:
man if salvia 80x ain't enough dissociation for you, you might need help. I'm not tryna be a dick but that shit would be the scariest, worst high ever. Coming from a 'salvia enthusiast', it just seems disrespectful to the plant to chemically alter it because its "too weak" (which it isnt), just smoke more. Its five times more potent than pure slavinorin a and lasts for hours. Have you ever had pure salvinorin a? A decent dose of that shit would be enough to make you not want to try this shit.

I can guarantee you that none of the 6 people you listed would enjoy it. Maybe a tiny dose, at which point just smoke salvia.
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I don't necessarily think that the point of Symmetry is just to make it more potent, it's to explore the scaffold of Salvinorin to see the diversity of experiences. Given that LSD exists, I'm guessing you don't think AL-LAD should've been invented, yeah? I mean, LSA already existed, so LSD would similarly be just an attempt to fix something that's "too weak".

Your hubris in guaranteeing things you unironically cannot know is hilarious, by the way.

I've routinely had meaningful and highly transformative, positive experiences on 180x concentrates, but I typically was smoking salvia leaf before that when I was cultivating it. The experiences reported from Symmetry use in the erowid article I linked above indicate the possibility of meaningful therapeutic value. That alone means that it should be explored, in my opinion. Sorry if this came off as snarky or shitty, I just think that salvia has an unnecessarily poor reputation as "scary".
 
Esperighanto said:
I don't necessarily think that the point of Symmetry is just to make it more potent, it's to explore the scaffold of Salvinorin to see the diversity of experiences. Given that LSD exists, I'm guessing you don't think AL-LAD should've been invented, yeah? I mean, LSA already existed, so LSD would similarly be just an attempt to fix something that's "too weak".

Your hubris in guaranteeing things you unironically cannot know is hilarious, by the way.

I've routinely had meaningful and highly transformative, positive experiences on 180x concentrates, but I typically was smoking salvia leaf before that when I was cultivating it. The experiences reported from Symmetry use in the erowid article I linked above indicates the possibility of meaningful therapeutic value. That alone means that it should be explored, in my opinion.
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The lsd argument makes sense, but what on erowid suggests that it's therapeutic? The only person who was ballsy enough to try it said it made them into a hotdog, and past that they cant comprehend what it did. Sure it might send you to another universe, make you another being temporarily, but if you can't bring back those memories, how is that therapy?

I completely agree that it doesn't deserve that reputation I was just being kind of a douche cause I'm trippin off some dumbass fake gummy mushrooms (pretty much all I had with some potentiators, other than dmt, which I was planning on smoking at the peak, but didn't, though I still could) so was taking shit personally cause I'm not really having fun, puking and shit.
 
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edwarrdbernays said:
Hello all. My first question is this: has anyone tried tifluadom? I saw someone say that kappa agonists aren't more popular because of their dysphoria and "feeling like garbage," but I actually really fucking love salvia divinorum and conversely kratom feels pretty shitty to me.

Second, not a sourcing question. There are a couple of substances I've never seen in the wild. I'm just wondering if anyone here has. That list includes:
1. (obviously) tifluadom
2. symmetry
3. gaboxadol
4. 4C-D
5. isoDMT
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1. No

2. Yes believe it or not. A colleague was working with salvinorin analogues (I believe in a academic setting and I have no idea why). They gave me an open offer if I ever wanted a few mg and I've never said yes. He tells me that they are not quite*** as potent/gnarly as what one might expect.

Note* it isn't available on a commercial basis and IMO shouldn't ever be.

3. No, though I've heard of it more and more over the years.

4. No - Being one of the classical ladies, I could see this making very rare appearances. Note that 4C-D/Ariadne share the exact same molecular formula as and is a molecular isomer of 2C-P and is therefore in direct violation of the US analogue act. I wouldn't really count on running into any randomly but you never know.

5. No - I don't really expect that we would ever see any iso-tryptamines or their lysergamide equivalents (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JRT_(drug)) basically because they are considered inactive or non hallucinogenic. I think at this point in time, they're mainly useful to researchers who are either going to make their own research materials or have it synthesized by an accredited lab.

I wonder if this JRT and related isotryptamine/lysergamide hybrids will ever gain a class name*. I suspect not. It can't or shouldn't be called an isolysergamide, because there already are iso versions of every D and L lysergamide that existed. hmmm...
 
Didgital said:
I wonder if this JRT and related isotryptamine/lysergamide hybrids will ever gain a class name*. I suspect not. It can't or shouldn't be called an isolysergamide, because there already are iso versions of every D and L lysergamide that existed. hmmm...
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I think the term "psychoplastagen" is the closest I've heard so far for the non-hallucinogenic psychedelics, but as far as the scaffolds of these, I'm not quite sure. 2-Bromo-LSD fits here as well, which is probably much easier to make given the fact that it wouldn't require hand-building lysergic acid with the iso-indole structure in it, which seems tricky as can be.
Didgital said:
4. No - Being one of the classical ladies, I could see this making very rare appearances. Note that 4C-D/Ariadne share the exact same molecular formula as and is a molecular isomer of 2C-P and is therefore in direct violation of the US analogue act. I wouldn't really count on running into any randomly but you never know.
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(assuming you meant 2C-D) I imagine that there's much more profit drive for the creation of DOM than there is 2C-D, and more for 2C-D than there is for 4C-D even, just on the basis of "Well, I have x grams of the necessary aldehyde, would I rather come out to 3g of product that makes 600 5mg doses of DOM, 60 50mg doses of 2C-D, or even fewer doses of an even more subtle and less marketable drug, 4C-D".

In my opinion, virtually all five compounds on this list would have to be handmade as they essentially completely lack marketability. I was shocked to notice tabernanthalog on the market recently, as it's a non-hallucinogenic psychoplastagen, but JRT would be an insane amount of work to make relative to 2-Bromo-LSD, iso-DMT, 6-Fluoro-DET, and seemingly (given its presence on the market) tabernanthalog.
 
For compounds like this i dont think profit matters as much as obscurity/demand, that 2C's would more easily outsell DOM.

if ald52 remains available from china, things will be ok without easy access, for we the laypeople,to obscure novel lysergamides that while should be studied, should be studied properly. alongside ald52 and LSD
 
pcplease said:
For compounds like this i dont think profit matters as much as obscurity/demand, that 2C's would more easily outsell DOM.

if ald52 remains available from china, things will be ok without easy access, for we the laypeople,to obscure novel lysergamides that while should be studied, should be studied properly. alongside ald52 and LSD
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I agree completely to both points, 2C's are much more manageable and pleasant, and ALD-52 could easily substitute for LSD. It's not as much of a necessity to explore these scaffolds in my opinion, just the type of thing that would be interesting to do.
 
Didgital said:
1. No

2. Yes believe it or not. A colleague was working with salvinorin analogues (I believe in a academic setting and I have no idea why). They gave me an open offer if I ever wanted a few mg and I've never said yes. He tells me that they are not quite*** as potent/gnarly as what one might expect.

Note* it isn't available on a commercial basis and IMO shouldn't ever be.

3. No, though I've heard of it more and more over the years.

4. No - Being one of the classical ladies, I could see this making very rare appearances. Note that 4C-D/Ariadne share the exact same molecular formula as and is a molecular isomer of 2C-P and is therefore in direct violation of the US analogue act. I wouldn't really count on running into any randomly but you never know.

5. No - I don't really expect that we would ever see any iso-tryptamines or their lysergamide equivalents (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JRT_(drug)) basically because they are considered inactive or non hallucinogenic. I think at this point in time, they're mainly useful to researchers who are either going to make their own research materials or have it synthesized by an accredited lab.

I wonder if this JRT and related isotryptamine/lysergamide hybrids will ever gain a class name*. I suspect not. It can't or shouldn't be called an isolysergamide, because there already are iso versions of every D and L lysergamide that existed. hmmm...
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AAZ-A-154 from delix therapeutics actually did just get a trade name! Zalsupindole (link) is now in phase 1 trials and is listed in the WHO list of drugs. (link)
 
edwarrdbernays said:
Hello all. My first question is this: has anyone tried tifluadom? I saw someone say that kappa agonists aren't more popular because of their dysphoria and "feeling like garbage," but I actually really fucking love salvia divinorum and conversely kratom feels pretty shitty to me.

Second, not a sourcing question. There are a couple of substances I've never seen in the wild. I'm just wondering if anyone here has. That list includes:
1. (obviously) tifluadom
2. symmetry
3. gaboxadol
4. 4C-D
5. isoDMT
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What is “tifluadom”? What do you mean “in the wild”? Clearly I’m out of the loop with this stuff. I prefer to stay that way
 
Stassi202 said:
What is “tifluadom”? What do you mean “in the wild”? Clearly I’m out of the loop with this stuff. I prefer to stay that way
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Tifluadom is an exceptionally rare compound that structurally resembles benzodiazepines, but should, in theory, feel more like salvia instead.

By 'in the wild', I mean 'on the street', or outside of private research laboratories essentially.
 
Esperighanto said:
Salvia enthusiasts are more common than you'd think, it seems.
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Oh yes!

Genuinely believe this plant is a medicine and a tool for healing and should be approached with caution. If you are just after getting fucked up for fun it can really do a number on you if you're not careful.
 
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I know people who ordered selevtive kappa agonists and the reports were NOT good. Maybe the extreme short-duration of Salvia means some people like it, but has Salvinorin B methoxymethyl ether ever turned up as an RC?

Everyone is different so there may be a minority who really like brief bursts of such extreme ASCs, but not for me.

Decades ago someone mentioned that thiomuscimol was a couple of magnitudes more potent than muscimol in animal models. Now I HOPE people have noticed that I keep saying how poor animal models can be, especially when it comes to psychoactive compounds,

I think my catchphrase should be 'affinity ≠ efacacy' so even if thiomuscimol demonstrated a vatly higher affinity in an in vitro model, let's not rush around imagining we have the secret of 'super muscimol' because if nothing else, we don't know how toxic it is in man.

Of course, IF thiomuscimol did turn out to be just that, one could simply grow mushrooms in soil containing thiomuscimol and sell them as Amanita thiomuscaria - it's all natural so it's just HAS to be safe...
 
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