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Opioids Tianeptine, is it any good?

chris_p

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What's it like? I've read some pretty good and bad things online about it, I got a gram of it with an order of other things, the only opioids I've ever used are tramadol, codeine and kratom. What's the feeling like in comparison? I'm not the biggest opioid fan but it's nice every now and then, I always like to try new things and sample every drug at least once, so this is one I want to tick off my list
 
It's an (extremely) atypical antidepressant. Very dirty drug. It'll probably feel good but the withdrawal would be like stopping a stimulant, Prozac, and an opioid all at the same time.
 
Of the 3 opioids you've used, the closest in effect would be tramadol.

However, compared to the 3 opioids you've tried, tianeptine is quite a bit more addictive. It is fast-acting (in the form of tianeptine sodium) and, at a high enough dose, has an initial flash of euphoria which fades pretty quickly. But that initial flash is what makes it particularly addictive. The high itself is stimulating and motivating, sort of like an oxycodone-lite or diet oxycodone.
But I feel like good quality tianeptine sodium is hard to come by these days. The gas station/smokeshop version (Zaza, Tiana, Tata, etc ) doesn't really do the drug justice (in my opinion), yet even in that shitty, low-grade form there are many stories of addiction.

Back in 2016-17, the tianeptine sodium batches going around were very strong and high quality (I only bought pure powder, never stuff like Zaza). I found it euphoric and highly motivating/energizing, while simultaneously strongly narcotic. I did eventually get hooked on, taking a few grams a day for a few months. The withdrawal is severe, but contrary to all the reports you see on reddit, tianeptine withdrawal isn't worse than heroin withdrawal (I've experienced both). That said, tianeptine with is pretty horrible.

I'd avoid it because a) the tianeptine being sold today is low quality and not as euphoric and b) it is nonetheless a very addictive substance in any from.

You say you aren't a big opioid fan, but you've only tried kratom, codeine and tramadol, which are all bottom tier opioids in terms of their euphoric potential. A strong dose of tianeptine sodium is more euphoric than those substances (in part, due to its rapid onset), and might change your perspective of "I'm not the biggest opioid fan". That's a good perspective to have, given how destructive opioid additiction can be.
 
It can produce very nice opioid effects but u need to consume a lot of it and it's duration of action is 2-3 hours. So, it is opioid producing desired effects but there are many better options.
 
It is fast-acting (in the form of tianeptine sodium) and, at a high enough dose, has an initial flash of euphoria which fades pretty quickly.
Damn quickly. Like, as soon as you are nicely high, it is starting to fade. It does feel good and it does feel dirty. People have said that it will jack your Kratom tolerance up very quickly.
 
Is there any way to get it extended release/longer lasting? Do they sell ER capsule that you can fill powder into?
The sulphate has a longer half life but is supposed to be much less recreational. I've never tried it.

The first time with the sodium I didn't have a scale and overdosed. Felt horribly sick for that day and the next to a lesser extent. I was euphoric as hell, though. Tried it again measuring the doses better and it felt like a dirty Oxy. Nice enough buzz but I found the quick fade of the high very frustrating. I didn't want to fuck up my Kratom tolerance so I gave what I had away after a few times doing it.
 
why even bother , man?

You use a a lot of psyechedelics, empathogens, all serotonin releasers, that work on different serotonin systems, isnt that enough?

plus you do kratom sometimes, which is fine, if used in moderation I guess. Sometimes its best to not use anything and work though the difficult times, focusing on your goals. Then again, many people dont have them do they?
 
why even bother , man?

You use a a lot of psyechedelics, empathogens, all serotonin releasers, that work on different serotonin systems, isnt that enough?

plus you do kratom sometimes, which is fine, if used in moderation I guess. Sometimes its best to not use anything and work though the difficult times, focusing on your goals. Then again, many people dont have them do they?
I want to try every drug once to get my opinion on it. I only bought a g so not really enough to mess myself up with, got some phenibut too, I don't normally dabble in legal highs but I got curious. Also psychs and mdma aren't really good for my psyche I've noticed I go off the rails mentally a bit when I use them too much, good to take a break with something else

The sulphate has a longer half life but is supposed to be much less recreational. I've never tried it.

The first time with the sodium I didn't have a scale and overdosed. Felt horribly sick for that day and the next to a lesser extent. I was euphoric as hell, though. Tried it again measuring the doses better and it felt like a dirty Oxy. Nice enough buzz but I found the quick fade of the high very frustrating. I didn't want to fuck up my Kratom tolerance so I gave what I had away after a few times doing it.
The one I ordered is in sulphate form, I think I prefer it to last longer
 
I take sulphate to treat chronic pain. 50mg 2-3x/day depending on how bad the pain is. I like it because it lasts about 7-8 hrs. I don't take enough to get a buzz, it's just for pain.
 
I take sulphate to treat chronic pain. 50mg 2-3x/day depending on how bad the pain is. I like it because it lasts about 7-8 hrs. I don't take enough to get a buzz, it's just for pain.
I mostly use opioids 'functionally' if that makes any sense, I take kratom in the mornings since it makes me more sociable/energized and then take a higher dose in the evenings to relax and sleep. Honestly never really enjoyed it recreationally that much, tramadol was the only nice buzz. I had a good friend I knew for a long time who died from fent overdose when he was 19, definitely not trying to veer on to that path
 
I take sulphate to treat chronic pain. 50mg 2-3x/day depending on how bad the pain is. I like it because it lasts about 7-8 hrs. I don't take enough to get a buzz, it's just for pain.
I forgot to mention that sulphate Is acting 4-5 hours longer than sodium. 7hrs of painkiller activity Is definitely better than 2-3 hours like in case of sodium version. I had lots of tianeptine sodium prescribed ( they don't use it anymore for depression since they discovered it Is low potency but pleasurable opioid with additional function of raising dopamine ( noticable increase ). I always think about tianeptine sodium as something like even shorter acting codeine without need for your liver to metabolize it into something, just advantage of not being prodrug but in my case it doesn't matter because my CYP2D6 liver enzyme is doing its job better than Is normal. When i take 200mg IR tramadol, 25 % Is rapidly converted into ODSM-T ( desmethyl tramadol has simmilar mor affinity as oxycodone and half-life twice as long + additional analgesia produced by monoamine release and reuptake inhibition, some NMDA antagonism. This means, for some people is 200mg tramadol like a mix of 50mg longer acting oxycodone with NRi activity which greatly improve analgesia and as a bonus potentiation by weak opioid but very fast acting SNRI, tramadol. Also other metabolites but the main psychoactive, analgesia inducing and instant antidepressant effects ( 1 hour instead of days to weeks unlike other SNRIs which need even 2 months for producing desired effects). This monoamine effects of tramadol always reminds me responsible dose of amphetamines - instant mood improvement, very good for pain that doesn't respond to typical opioids, acetaminophen or nsaids. And duration sometimes up to 9 hours Is another advantage of IR tramadol compared to other casual IR opiods because they ( most of them ) have half-life of 3 to 5 hours without ability to prolong it after chronic administration and this Is next unusual but great advantage of tramadol. Monoaminergic opioid which prolong Its duration after using more than just one dose Is not that common. Sometimes after few days of using tramadol, IR version produce analgesia, mood improvement, insomnia and eliminating of pain for even 12 hours.
Great medication if u are very fast CYP2D6 metabolizer who doesn't take big doses of SSRIs, SNRIs ( always avoid antidepressants that inhibit your CYP2D6 liver enzyme.
Be careful, don't get completely addicted to it because high amount produce nasty seizures, Muscle tremor, serotonine syndrome.
It's possible to take even 1500mg daily but with enough benzodiazepines and idealy with leveteracetam ( anticonvulsant ). This very high doses are better for my pain than any other opioid, much better analgesia than 200mg oxycodone but without anticonvulsant and benzos u can't take so big dose because u will vomit or experience very nasty seizure or other many times fatal health problems ( stroke, something like general body collaps - it will turn u off and wake up after 20-40 minutes if u are lucky and survive.
Start with 100mg as a single dose and if u will be ok after using 300-400mg in 24 hrs, maybe try dose of 200mg. Its effects are noticable much faster and u will probably feel some kind of opioid/stimulating antidepressant effects, like big increase in motivation, energy, music sounding better, increase in talking and probably desire for some kind of physical activity because of increased energy and very noticable decrease in all types of pain. No wonder it's favorite painkiller for profesional athletes, cyclists and swimmers or for people with ambition to run fast, don't feel fatigue....great for marathon runners.

And it's medication with best score in category of antidepressants, better than any other medication used or just tried to use as a treatment for depression.
Funny, not even one medication used to treat depression reached better score and better user recensions than medication used for pain or sometimes even for premature ejaculation.
 
I didn't want to fuck up my Kratom tolerance so I gave what I had away after a few times doing it.
That is exactly why I’ve never even tried it. I’ve been slowly backing away from plain powder. No way do I want to introduce anything stronger right now.

However, I have contemplated in getting some for my wife as a back up supplement as possible pain medication if she has another surgery. I wonder what the pain killing properties of this stuff is? Is it worth it for someone that never uses opiates except when they need them for pain. in other words, could this be in the medicine cabinet as a pain pill used on occasion?
 
That is exactly why I’ve never even tried it. I’ve been slowly backing away from plain powder. No way do I want to introduce anything stronger right now.

However, I have contemplated in getting some for my wife as a back up supplement as possible pain medication if she has another surgery. I wonder what the pain killing properties of this stuff is? Is it worth it for someone that never uses opiates except when they need them for pain. in other words, could this be in the medicine cabinet as a pain pill used on occasion?
Maybe the sulphate. The sodium fades away way too quickly.
7-oh-mitragynine is an enjoyable and plenty strong opioid (partial agonist) which I'm thinking would be a good pain pill. It's a bit pricey if you buy the pills and you would still get that jacked up Kratom tolerance. It does have better legs than Tianeptine.
I have a bad back and need pain pills on occasion. If you can get it prescribed, I think Tramadol is the best for moderate pain. You get an SNRI effect which does relieve pain some (and you can be productive for a bit), then that fades to a long lasting opioid effect.
 
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