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thoughts on the 'indigo' phenomena?

because it is easier to believe you have some sort of psychological issue or learning disability, then it is to try for more then the standards presented, reaching for an honest personal equivalency. we will often do what is expected, especially if more is believed to be impossible or criticized.
 
Here you go ;)

"Although no scientific studies give credibility to the existence of indigo children or their traits, the phenomenon appeals to some parents whose children have been diagnosed with learning disabilities and to parents seeking to believe that their children are special. Skeptics view this as a way for parents to avoid proper (and generally pharmaceutical) pediatric treatment or a psychiatric diagnosis. The list of traits used to describe the children has also been criticized for being vague enough to be applied to almost anyone, a form of the Forer effect. Critics have stated the promotion of indigo children is used as a way for unqualified people to make money from credulous parents through the sales of related products and services" from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children

yal are morons
 
Huh? I meant, "Why are you more concerned with what others think and believe of themselves?"
 
i only read the first coupe posts and that was directed at them. I know useless, pointless waste of being a smart ass on the internet but its fun :)
 
YellowNikes said:
Here you go ;)

"Although no scientific studies give credibility to the existence of indigo children or their traits, the phenomenon appeals to some parents whose children have been diagnosed with learning disabilities and to parents seeking to believe that their children are special. Skeptics view this as a way for parents to avoid proper (and generally pharmaceutical) pediatric treatment or a psychiatric diagnosis. The list of traits used to describe the children has also been criticized for being vague enough to be applied to almost anyone, a form of the Forer effect. Critics have stated the promotion of indigo children is used as a way for unqualified people to make money from credulous parents through the sales of related products and services" from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children

yal are morons
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you think this is new information?

you have completely missed the point wanting to be right, making fun of the name.

YellowNikes said:
i only read the first coupe posts and that was directed at them. I know useless, pointless waste of being a smart ass on the internet but its fun :)
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as far as a test of social acceptability of new ideas and concepts, this reaction is bad and the norm.
 
is there much of a difference in inferring the existence of indigo children because their characteristics and traits exist ( or at least you say they exist) and inferring the existence of god from the existence of this world? seams like another flying spaghetti monster if you ask me...
 
I do agree with some of what you are saying though. What exactly is your point PiP? what are you arguing? so we don't waste our time just trying to understand each other.
 
Really? I'd argue that esotericism and Eastern philosphy slash techniques are the hip thing now.
 
You should organize a group!!
Me and my girl (at the time ha..) organized a pranayama meditation group and on a few other occasions, different breathing and grouo sessions. All free, all in nature, and they were really well received, too!
 
Just because science can't validate this "phenomenon" (natural occurrence) doesn't mean that it does not exist.

The majority like to think that science has all the answers, it doesn't and never will. It wasn't long ago when atoms were considered the smallest unit known to man, now we know there are electrons, quarks etc... The universe is infinite, we'll never know the smallest unit or the largest. The human brain is limited with the amount of knowledge it can contain, and science branches out in dozens of specialisations so that the most advanced knowledge in each area is only a small fraction of the overall reality. If everything is connected and you only know one small part of it, you do not know truth.

Understanding is different from knowing.
 
But science's inability to validate this idea isn't the main issue, as far as I understood it. I thought the problem lay in the fact that feeding these ideas to impressionable youth sets them up for failures and psychological issues.
 
Just because science can't validate this "phenomenon" (natural occurrence) doesn't mean that it does not exist.
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If, when properly applied, the scientific method is utterly incapable of 'validating' the existence/coherence of a purported phenomenon of the natural world, what alternative method do you suggest? Casting of lots? Reading the entrails of a goat?

Doesn't the simple explanatory alternative (viz., that some phony New Age sophists made it all up for $$$) seem more plausible or intellectually attractive to you than the hopelessly convolved logic in which you've entangled yourself?
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
I thought the problem lay in the fact that feeding these ideas to impressionable youth sets them up for failures and psychological issues.
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"Psychological issues" - What, from the opinion of a psychologist? What is a "normal" state of mind? Are religious people and surrealist painters crazy? Isn't labelling someone ADHD setting up someone for failure?
 
Isn't labelling someone ADHD setting up someone for failure?
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Nope, not really. Speaking as someone who has been 'labelled' as an AD(H)D patient, I can attest to the benefits of good (i.e., evidence-based) psychiatric care.
 
Real-world application doesn't qualify legitimacy...
My mom's roommate's cat ran away a few months ago.
She hired four different pet psychics. They all told her something different, but they all played on her desperation and loss to get money from her. Talking about how the cat was fulfilling her purpose by comforting a dying old woman. Or how the cat was enjoying a new life with a loving family from Egypt ("They worship cats you know!", she said).


And no pk, the psychological issues I mean are an inflated sense of entitlement, narcissism, egotism, self-aggrandization, and other characteristics that lead away from humility and development, both inter- and intrapersonally.
 
P A said:
If, when properly applied, the scientific method is utterly incapable of 'validating' the existence/coherence of a purported phenomenon of the natural world, what alternative method do you suggest? Casting of lots? Reading the entrails of a goat?

Doesn't the simple explanatory alternative (viz., that some phony New Age sophists made it all up for $$$) seem more plausible or intellectually attractive to you than the hopelessly convolved logic in which you've entangled yourself?
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You don't have to understand to know. I can't see gravity but I know it's there. I can't see the magnetic forces of the world but they are there. When the senses fail, your intuition takes over; that's how scientists start there work trying to understand the mysteries of life. They sense something first, then go out and prove it (or try to).

It's true that most New Age material is non-sense, but it doesn't take a genius to know whether or not it is reality. If I read an outlandish statement, I reflect on my personal experiences and not let the material change my views, I see if the ideology sits with my experience of reality first. I always feel first, then let that feeling direct me to material which is in accordance with my intuition.
 
So you dislike the label "indigo child"... what would you label a person of this mental disposition? Psychologists love to label and define, yet a lot of people even in the science community do not believe psychology is a hard science... and neuroscientists admit that they do not know much about the brain... The traits are going to be present no matter the label, the difference being that the indigo child label will have a positive effect whereas an "official" label will tell you that you're crazy, need to change your attitude and mindset to fit in with "normal" conventions. They are right, you are wrong.
 
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