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Thoughts on the "I Drive Better High" principle

TheodoreRoosevelt

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I hear so many people say that they drive better drunk, or high.

In my honest opinion, what completely oblivious and irresponsible people. I think it is disgusting. People who think they drive better under the influence of any drug are just idiots. I don't mean to flame, but it is so irresponsible and foolish I can't find a better term to fit it in one word.

You may think you drive better, but when something quick comes out, like a child running into the street, or someone who slams the breaks in front of you, your inebriation will ruin you.

It goes for all drugs, but I am not talking about maintenance level of drugs, ie methadone to avoid withdrawal, adderall for ADHD. I'm talking about taking drugs to get high, or taking drugs that say don't drive when you take them (such as prescribed oxycodone or benzos).

What do you guys think of those who say shit like this? What do you say in reply?
 
If someone is about to drive on any substance I immediately take their keys, I dont care if they get pissed, id rather them be pissed off than kill someone or themselves.

I just tell them theyre an idiot, then they dont feel so cool.
 
So what if the people who say this are potheads who have to take "maintenance levels" of cannabis in order to feel "normal?" How do you make the distinction between someone who is an addict and "maintaining" and someone who is a drug user using? Why would being high on a strong opiate like methadone be acceptable at ALL, regardless of addict status, and not someone who smokes pot and claims to be able to drive better while "high?"

Just some thoughts.
 
I take steps to never drive high as I get anxious in traffic and just forget where i'm going in general.

I wish I could say that I haven't driven drunk on many occasions, but I have =(. Most of my friends usually look out for people trying to get in the car after they've been drinking but they're generally just as intoxicated. I've even driven people home while I was drunk because I deemed them "drunker" than I.
 
I drive high on a daily basis. I've been driving as long as I've been smoking (since age 16) and I learned real quick how to drive stoned. I'm an idiot. I'm a jackass.


Yes I know.


edit** I want to make it clear though that the words "I drive better high" have never come out of my mouth. I consider myself an average driver sober or not.
 
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I drive when im on weed or ice, but nothing else. If im gonna go pilling and all that in the city, we just get a cab/train/bus, then cab/train/bus back the next day. Though most of the time I have a sober driver when my partners with me, which is the best and more fun..
 
Driving intoxicated is so fucking scary. I don't mean killing a beer or smoking a joint. I'm talking about being thrashed.

8 Soma, 4 bowls, 3 joints, 3 lines of coke, 1 lortab.

Could hardly move. Driving 90 on the highway trying to get to class. Trying not to pass out at the wheel. Had to keep reminding myself that there was no reset button.

In a way it was kinda fun, but my heart was pounding it drowned out the music. Not something I wish to do again.

Many times I've driven after a joint. Actually, for a few months it was a ritual for my girl and I to drive out to some old farm roads and both smoke a joint. Something relaxing about the farms and what not while getting toked. But city + driving impaired = no fun.
 
as ever, the onion nails it: "don't get drunk and drive. disregard this if you happen to be one of those people who drive better drunk."

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I've been told I drive better high (weed) but I'm not a smoker so it's only happened a handful of times.

Aside that, I've driven on come-down of Dxm which was fun, but not safe at all! Luckily it was a short distance. I don't believe they're was another car on the streets at the time of. Done it once because I was in a tight situation - never want to do it again, in fear of crashing.

I use the bus alot, even after I get to my destination...I love being on the bus dexed, soo comforting.
 
While I will agree driving intoxicated is really stupid, driving high can be managed. When I smoke weed and drive, I tend to always drive much slower, and pay attention only to the road. This means people talking around me, are blocked out, and I'm just concentrated on the road. Obviously my ability to do two things at once has been removed, but then again things that usually would lower my driving abilities (not paying attention, speeding, etc) are removed while high, so if you weigh it out it sort of seems like the risk is the same as my normal driving.

I am a fast driver, when I'm sober that is. I don't enjoy driving going the speed limit, but I do know when and where I need to take precaution, and I have yet to receive a speeding ticket, nor have I ever injured someone else driving. Let's hope it stays like that for the rest of my life.

Driving on coke is alright if you have nothing on you, but if I even have a bowl or just a gram of weed on me, I'll get paranoid. Not to mention people will ask me shit like "Mind if I smoke a bowl?" and of course being on coke I don't refuse them, but inside I'm about to explode because I'm so paranoid. I never understand how others can drop the anxiety when their on coke and in a car with drugs on them.
 
So what if the people who say this are potheads who have to take "maintenance levels" of cannabis in order to feel "normal?" How do you make the distinction between someone who is an addict and "maintaining" and someone who is a drug user using? Why would being high on a strong opiate like methadone be acceptable at ALL, regardless of addict status, and not someone who smokes pot and claims to be able to drive better while "high?"

When I see people sweating or shaking from not having smoked pot in a while, then sure, I'd have no qualm with them smoking before driving.

People taking MMT don't get high, but just take enough not to get sick.

We've all been in the sticky situations, as long as you don't think that your actually better high and try to excuse it isn't a big deal.

Some say driving on stimulants or coke is a good idea, but I'd disagree. Your tired as shit, and you don't notice because your all amped up. You lose judgement, coordination, et cetera.

I suppose you could argue coke better than pot or alcohol, but not better then sober.
 
I wont argue about booze no doubt it doesnt improve anyones driving EVER

With bud research has shown that while motor skills and judgement making abilities are impaired almost all drivers over compensated for there condition driving slower and paying greater amounts of attention to the road and as a result they appeard to improve in ability to drive safely when compared to the reguler state

So essently it doesnt make you better it does make you worse but it will probly make you a lil more cautious about it

Ill find some links for you if I can
 
i agree with Dilated pupils I take far fewer chances when im driving high compared to sober
 
Marijuana safer than drink, says crash study, The Advertiser

If alcohol could be replaced by marijuana it would be a major road safety advance, one of Australia's leading road safety specialists claims...

Cannabis cleared in report on road toll, The Australian (undated)
Motorists who use Cannabis are no more likely to be involved in a fatal collision than drivers who are drug free, a study by the Victorian Institute of Forensic Pathology says...

Drink, not Cannabis causes road deaths LTE by Dr Alex Wodak, The Australian

Marijuana's Effects on Actual Driving Performance by HWJ Robbe, Institute for Human Psychopharmacology, University of Maastricht, The Netherlands
(A paper presented at the 13th International Conference on Alcohol, Drugs & Traffic Safety, Adelaide SA. )

Cannabis & Driving by Dr Greg Chesher

[email protected]

Colleagues,

I want to mention the present understanding about Cannabis and driving. You may already be quite familiar with these studies, but in case you are not, the following might interest you. The law about alcohol which proscribes driving with BAC >0.05 g% blood alcohol has been determined by epidemiological studies employing the case-control method. At 0.05g% the driver is about twice as likely to be involved in a crash as a driver with zero BAC. As the BAC increases, so in a very steep fashion, does the probability of being involved in a crash. The role of alcohol in road crashes has been very clearly demonstrated. The drink-driving laws are based upon sound science!

As for other drugs, including Cannabis, the pharmacokintetics do not permit this technique. There is no correlation between the blood concentration of Cannabinoids and impairment as determined on laboratory tasks. Furthermore, the study would require the taking of blood from the crash involved drivers as well as that of the control drivers--not involved in a crash. There is no equivalent to the alcohol breathalyser. Cannabinoids are not excreted on the breath. (It is the collection of adequate data from a control group that really precludes the case-control method). So to overcome this, the technique of "culpability analysis" has been employed.

In this case, data for crashes are presented to an independent group of observers who are ignorant (blind) as to whether any of the drivers had any drug at all in their blood. By studying the information of the crash (events before and up to the crash) a score apportioning the degree of blame to each driver is given. From this "culpability" is determined.

So far there have been four studies using this technique, two in the USA and two in Australia.

As far as Cannabis is concerned, it is quite remarkable that in all cases the results were so similar as to be the same finding. The culpability ratio for the drivers bearing Cannabinoids in blood revealed that they were no more likely to be considered as a cause of the crash as those who had no drugs at all in their blood. Indeed in each of these four studies the Cannabinoid drivers were less (but not significantly so) likely to have been a cause than those with no drug at all. In all of these studies alcohol-bearing drivers were overwhelmingly culpable.

So at the moment, the present data suggest that cannabis is not involved as a causative factor in road crashes.

Two things must be considered. First, it is early days so far. The total number of cases in all of these studies totals about 9000 or a little less.

Second, the determination of the culpability score is dependent upon the integrity of the initial data describing the accident. In most cases this is from the attending police. This is not always reliable. However, as the numbers increase with more studies, we will have more confidence with the findings.

There is another Australian study currently being analysed and is due to be released shortly.....SOON is the advice I have from the author.

Cheers,

Greg Chesher



References

Drummer, O. (1994). Drugs and drivers killed in Australian Road traffic accidents. The use of responsibility analysis to investigate the contribution of drugs to fatal accidents: Victorian Institute of Forensic Pathology. Monash University.

Hunter, C., Lokan, R., Longo, M., White, J. & White, M. (1998). The Prevalence and Role of Alcohol, Cannabinoids, Benzodiazepines and stimulants in Non-Fatal Crashes. Adelaide: Forensic Science, Department for Administrative and Information Services, South Australia.

Terhune, K., Ippolito, C., Hendricks, D., Michalovic, J., Bogema, S., Santinga, P., Blomberg, R. & Preusser, D. (1992). The incidence and role of drugs in fatally injured drivers.: US Department of Transportation National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

Williams, A., Peat, M., Crouch, D., Wells, J. & Finkle, B. (1985). Drugs in fatally injured young male drivers. Public Health Reports, 100, 19-25

Dr Gregory B. Chesher



ALCOHOL IMPAIRS DRIVING MORE THAN MARIJUANA


A single glass of wine will impair your driving more than smoking a joint. And under certain test conditions, the complex way alcohol and cannabis combine to affect driving behaviour suggests that someone who has taken both may drive less recklessly than a person who is simply drunk.

These are the findings of a major new study by British transport researchers. The unpublished research, seen exclusively by New Scientist, stops well short of condoning driving under the influence of even small amounts of cannabis. But in a week which has seen renewed debate in Britain surrounding the criminalisation of cannabis, it throws an uncomfortable spotlight on a problem confronting governments everywhere - how to deter the growing numbers of cannabis users from "dope driving".

At present there is no accurate test that can reveal whether a driver has taken cannabis before driving, and developing one will not be easy. But even when this problem is cracked, another will remain - where to set the safety threshold for smoking cannabis.

Advocates of zero tolerance say there should be penalties for drivers caught with any amount of recently smoked cannabis in their body. The new research suggests that would only be credible if governments also adopted zero tolerance on drink driving.


Middle Of The Road

The new study was undertaken by the Transport Research Laboratory in Crowthorne, Berkshire, and confirms the results of a preliminary study more than a year ago. Researchers at the TRL, led by Barry Sexton, gave 15 volunteers doses of cannabis or alcohol, or a combination of both, before letting them loose on an array of psychomotor tests and a sophisticated driving simulator.

The volunteers were given either enough alcohol to raise alcohol levels in the blood to 50 milligrams per 100 millilitres - about 60 per cent of Britain's legal limit of 80 mg/100 ml - or a specially prepared marijuana joint designed to deliver the same high typically experienced by smokers.

In the study, cannabis significantly affected only one criterion, known as tracking ability. Volunteers found it more difficult to hold a constant speed and follow the middle of the road accurately while driving around a figure-of-eight loop. The TRL researchers point out in their draft report that this test requires drivers to hold their concentration for a short time, a task which is particularly badly affected by the intoxicating effects of cannabis.


Cautious Driving

However, volunteers drinking the equivalent of a glass of wine fared worse than those who had smoked a joint. Those who were given both alcohol and cannabis performed worse still, reinforcing the idea that alcohol has a cumulative effect when taken with other drugs.

But the study also found that drivers on cannabis tended to be aware of their intoxicated state, and drove more cautiously to compensate. Indeed, doped-up volunteers often rated themselves as being more impaired than police surgeons brought in to evaluate their sobriety.

Surprisingly, drinking alcohol didn't offset this cautious behaviour, opening up the unproven possibility that a driver who is moderately drunk might be better off under some conditions if they had also smoked.

This cautious behaviour is in line with findings by other researchers. "Whereas alcohol promotes risk taking like fast speeds and close following, cannabis promotes conservative driving, but may cause attention problems and misperceptions of time," says Nicholas Ward, technical adviser to the Immortal project - a three-year European Union trial designed to quantify the crash risk drivers face after taking various drugs and medicines.

Taken from http://www.nimbinhempbar.com/cannabis-driving.html

and before anyone says anything Yes im aware this is like a report on someone elses findings by a bunch of hippies but they list there sources at the end and it seemeb reputable enough to beleave
 
Driving under the influence is not a good idea. You put others at risk, not only yourself.


People who think they drive better under the influence of any drug are just idiots.

Pilots in charge of manning a mega-million dollar piece of US Air Force equipment, such as f-117s or B-1s, are often given dexamphetamine pills to supliment long reconaissance missions (as well as during combat missions). This is because they operate the vehicle better under the influence of the drug.
 
the_ketaman said:
If someone is about to drive on any substance I immediately take their keys, I dont care if they get pissed, id rather them be pissed off than kill someone or themselves.

I just tell them theyre an idiot, then they dont feel so cool.

haha i hope you dont have a friend or run into a person like me who freaks the fuck out when someone takes my keys without consulting with me first... it's a control thing... i go crazy. no joke. i have to be asked nicely, and i know when i'm good to drive or not so if i say no and they still insist... oh there's trouble. hasn't happened in a while though :)

and as for driving better while high... im gonna go ahead and say i do, because i'm a shitty ass driver when i'm sober because i dont pay attention to anything, i'm always looking for something or messing with the radio or talking.. i've only gotten tickets/into mild "wrecks" while sober... hasn't even come close to happening when i'm high or drunk, because i'm super cautious but not too much to draw attention.
 
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