• 🇳🇿 🇲🇲 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇦🇺 🇦🇶 🇮🇳
    Australian & Asian
    Drug Discussion


    Welcome Guest!
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
  • AADD Moderators: swilow | Vagabond696

*this just in* BABAR TAKES ACID!

SupaDiscoBreaka

Bluelighter
Joined
Sep 22, 2001
Messages
1,233
Ho ho ho...
BRING IT ON!

Forty years ago, two psychiatrists adminstered history's largest dose of LSD.

Read on, maaaan ...

Mystified by the new wonder drug LSD, the psychiatrist Louis Jolyon West and his colleague at the University of Oklahoma, Chester M Pierce, were looking for a new way to investigate the drug in 1962. They came up with an idea so outlandish it could only happen in the world of experimental psychology.

Male elephants are prone to bouts of madness; LSD seems to cause a temporary form of madness; perhaps if we combine the two, they reasoned, we could make an elephant go mad. Their research paper about this venture is a tragicomedy of high hopes and lessons not learnt. For only mindless optimism and blind faith can account for the events that unfolded on a hot summer day in Oklahoma City's Lincoln Park Zoo 40 years ago.

Having established that "one of the strangest things about elephants is the phenomenon of going 'on musth'," a form of madness that sees the animal "run berserk for a period of about two weeks, during which time he may attack or attempt to attack anything in his path," West and Pierce enrolled the assistance of Warren D Thomas of the local zoo.

Thomas volunteered the services of Tusko, a 3,200kg, 14-year- old male elephant. They were all set to establish what an elephant on acid would get up to. One crucial point had to be decided - how much LSD would it take to make him run amok? Research had established that lower animals are less susceptible to the mind-altering effects of LSD than humans. It would be a waste to have an elephant ready to go and then miss out on the unique opportunity by giving it an insufficient dose.

West and Pierce decided to go for it. While 297mg might not sound a lot, it is enough LSD to make nearly 3,000 people experience hours of "marked mental disturbance," to use the researchers' phrase. This was the record-breaking quantity of the most potent psychoactive substance in existence fired into one of Tusko's rumps with a rifle-powered dart at 8am on August 3.

What happened next is captured with an oddly moving economy of expression in the clinical voice of the research paper:
"His mate (Judy, a 15-year-old female) approached him and appeared to attempt to support him. He began to sway, his hindquarters buckled, and it became increasingly difficult for him to maintain himself upright. Five minutes after the injection he trumpeted, collapsed, fell heavily on to his right side, defecated, and went into status epilepticus." An hour and 40 minutes later, Tusko was declared dead. Surely a more anticlimactic moment or a greater tragedy was never recorded by scientists.

The animal they had hoped would stomp around its pen in mad fury had fallen to the ground and slowly expired in the dust. But they drew something positive out of what in anyone else's view would be considered an abject failure.

West and Pierce's conclusion, a staggering feat of positive thought, sums up an era's belief in the infallibility of science: "It appears that the elephant is highly sensitive to the effects of LSD - a finding which may prove to be valuable in elephant-control work in Africa."

· West, LJ, Pierce, CM, Thomas, WD (1962) Lysergic Acid Diethylamide: Its effect on a Male Asiatic Elephant. Science, 138, 1100-1102

[Edit: Redefined paragraphs, mixed up during vb x-over; p_d]
 
Last edited by a moderator:
kind of dumbfounded (but not really surprised) at the stupidity :(
They kill one of these majestic creatures and the positive is that they know that elephants are sensitive to LSD...oh well, there's another way for poachers to kill elephants illegally :( :(
grrrr...
[ 09 August 2002: Message edited by: samadhi ]
 
That's some fucked up shit.... i feel sorry for the elephant, in the middle of a mid-life crisis, only to be tripped off the mortal coil, by two shrinks who were prolly on LSD when they designed the experiment. I mean really what were they hoping to achieve, now they know that elephants are more sensitive to LSD than previously thought. Any elephant that they'd try to "anithetise" with a lower dose who prolly wig out and think the funny men in white coats were vicious neandertals try to push it off a cliff. Anyway what's next, giving speed to a 3 toed sloth to see if it can crap in faster than 3 months? Surely the scientific impact of such findings would match the epistimological advances made by Dr. Pierce and Dr. West
 
that's just so wrong in so many ways.
:(
I hope karma wasn't kind to Herr Scientists.
 
Carrion - Just what is so amusing huh? Let's administer 297mg of acid into your body and then see how amusing you find it. What the hell did the elephant ever do to deserve such a cruel death? Maybe you just don't like animal's, who knows but it certainly upsets me reading stuff like this. Not impressed :(
 
well coming from another animal, this is pretty funny, just imagine, a wombat on acid.
 
its pretty bad what they did to that elephant!!
what exactly did they hope to achive hehe. like woopty if the elephant likes the acid, its not like they will go out n buy sheets for themselves and their mates from then on.
but..
what can ya do.. im sure that sort of thing doesnt happen anymore.. does it?
i wish i could get my hands on 297mg or whatever it was worth of LSD!!! hehehe
i think getting 3000 ppl trippin in the one place would be quite amusing.
 
This is true!! I did zoology at uni and they actually teach you about this as a case of how metabolism doesn't increase with size. It's like giving a 120kg guy four times the amount of a 60kg guy - talk about fcuk your system. Mind you, they do this shit to rodents all the time and no-one notices. One elephant and the world was up in arms (bet they won't do that again!)
 
i spose the best animal to test on if any would be a fish as far as the humaine side of things goes. i mean 3 second memory! and i was told they dont have any pain receptors? (not sure on that one but could be true) hehe but with a 3 second memory they wouldnt remember any tests even if they did survive.
but an elephant on the other hand..
NEVER FORGETS! so ... no more testing on elephants please.
 
E^lEctric - You misunderstand, the fact that the elephant died is terrible, what I found amusing was the foolishness of the two psychiatrists who adminstered the dose, I mean seriously, what did they think was going to happen?
Very silly indeed.
 
this animal was BIG
it is therefore more worth of indignation than lab rats and so forth
because they are SMALL
get it?
 
ephelant's dead.. killed by men in white coats. sure this bad, but i'm sure he was a happy Tusko before was tripped to death.
the stupid part is, what would YOU do if YOU were going to give somebody, anybody any kind of drugs for the first time. let me think.
"hmm your a female, small build, about 45kgs, quite short. i have a sheet of acid.. you're keen as mustard (however keen mustard can get i'm not sure, but youre all that). i'll have one.. woah i'm trippin. here you have, aww, i dunno.. 10! GO HARD GIRL!!"
I THINK NOT.. just shows the stupidity of some people. sure they may have done the test responsibly (i'm not sure this can be, but for the sake of it, lets just say testing on elephants is common) and worked up the dosage until Tusko "goes mad" enough to get some results (for whatever reason).
anyway, interesting story, shame about the scientists. poor elephant. wheres the left over lsd? hope they shot a dart at the white coats AND the zoo keeper who let them do it.... morons!
 
Originally posted by mud house:
this animal was BIG
it is therefore more worth of indignation than lab rats and so forth
because they are SMALL
get it?

errr...no one said that mud horse.
Dosing an elephant with an enormous amount of acid just to see what happens is a little different from trialing cancer vaccines/treatments on labrats. Speaking as someone who has lost 2 family members to cancer, that's my opinion.
I place this misconduct up there with testing make-up, household cleaners, and perfumes etc on animals...
my 0.02c
 
297mg... what a strange figure to arrive at. Why not 300mg? Perhaps they 'accidentally' dropped 3mg of the LSD injection onto about 30 squares of cardboard first, before injecting the elephant?
BigTrancer ;)
 
;) lol BT, I wonder if they put it to personal use at the same time...if so I think their experience would've been in a bad setting.
But on a serious note:
The only thing is they can get more of an insight about different effects on different species.Without any real animal testing we are taking a lot larger stab in the dark & progress is a great deal slower.
If there where as many elephants as lab rats, I personally would think of these tests as being JUST as relevant. Though the general publics PERCEPTION would still see it as being worse to kill a big elephant, when compared to a dirty,little rat.
What value can you put on a human life? Without testing of some sort, the many lives saved by things found to be benifical sometimes as a result of animal testing would be a large amount lower.
Only so much can be concluded from a test tube :(
[ 13 August 2002: Message edited by: Scatteredasfuck ]
 
Top