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ah rite you answered, i diddn''t see that

possibly, but i don't think its ethnocentric, its just medicine, now to be fair the aproach to medicine is ffected by teh culture

buuut smoke is damaging just due to the temperature


and cultures that value smoking very highly... i can't think of any, i know they exist and agree with you but i can't think of any off the top of my head... arabic countries where hookah use is common?
 
hedgewitch said:
ah rite you answered, i diddn''t see that

possibly, but i don't think its ethnocentric, its just medicine, now to be fair the aproach to medicine is ffected by teh culture

buuut smoke is damaging just due to the temperature


and cultures that value smoking very highly... i can't think of any, i know they exist and agree with you but i can't think of any off the top of my head... arabic countries where hookah use is common?
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Well, you can always rig up an ice bong or whatnot. I mean, I get the idea the smoke itself is damaging, but if your saying its mainly the temperature, that can be easily dealt with.
 
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No correlation between marijuana use and cancer

THC has possible anti-tumor properties

Tobacco is quite cancerous and is theorized to be so because of radioactivity from the fertilizers used to grow it. source

wikipedia said:
The effects of tobacco and cannabis smoking differ, however, as they affect different parts of the respiratory tract: whereas tobacco tends to penetrate to the smaller, peripheral passageways of the lungs, cannabis tends to concentrate on the larger, central passageways. One consequence of this is that cannabis, unlike tobacco, does not appear to cause emphysema. Also, unlike tobacco, regular cannabis use does not appear to cause COPD, either. [32] Researchers have speculated on potential side effects from the fact that cannabis burns at a higher temperature than tobacco.
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Side-note: Hookah smoking is technically not "smoking". Since it utilizes a high-temperature coal to heat up the shisha mix, the matter vaporizes. I would think that due to this, the long tubes, and the water filtration differ very much from the smoking of papers and dry tobacco used in cigarettes.
 
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I can easily imagine that smoking anything in general is not particularly good for you. I wonder how DMT smoke is.

Heat is probably a large factor in how damaging the smoke is, but its not the only one. If you sufficiently cool the smoke, how damaging is it to your lungs?
 
Even very heavy, long-term marijuana users who had smoked more than 22,000 joints over a lifetime seemed to have no greater risk than infrequent marijuana users or nonusers.

dam i seem to be in the clear!!!!!!!
 
if ya cant take the heat, get out the kitchen 8(



im just givin' ya a hard time homie..

The effects from smoking pot are going to be different on everyone. To each their own as i like to say, so its hard to really categorize what the effects of smoking will be... some can handle more than others & vica versa.
 
goes back to the old trick of "Smoking pot wont kill you, but sucking on the butane from the lighter you must use to smoke pot will kill you" ;)

Its a lose lose situation, Like I said above, to each their own.
 
There are alternatives to combustion of cannabis.

1) Vaporize
2) Ingest activated oils

There are also harm reduction methods if you must or wish to "smoke" :

1) Filter (through water)
2) Reduce temperature (tube length, filter, etc)
3) "Baby" the material with the lighter so that the cherry is most prominent
 
Just another reason not to believe the sensationalist hype, as it can often be biased.

And remember, kids, wikipedia!
 
it is unlikely to cause birth defects or developmental delays in the children of users,[29][30] and in a study done by the University of California Los Angeles in 2006, that even heavy marijuana smokers do not increase their risk for lung cancer.[31] This is most likely due to the active ingredient delta9-THC, which recent studies indicate could well fight cancer by causing cell death in aging and potentially cancerous cells in vitro


wikipedia.
 
Good arguments, I hope the seeker is wrong tho not because I dislike him or think his points were bad but because I dont want any lung problems but I also dont want to quit MJ.

Id say the best thing to do is no Cigs and use a Vapo/eat it or use a ice/water bong for a little filter/cooldown of the smoke.
 
I can easily imagine that smoking anything in general is not particularly good for you. I wonder how DMT smoke is.

Heat is probably a large factor in how damaging the smoke is, but its not the only one. If you sufficiently cool the smoke, how damaging is it to your lungs?
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http://www.acsa.net/HealthAlert/radioactive_tobacco.html

As long as there are no radioactive atoms in your drug. A drug might irritate your lungs (smoke 50%+ THC hashoil, then try not to cough lol) but that doesn't mean it will cause damage, or worse, cancer.
 
actually, yet it does mean it will cause lung damage. smoking anything causes lung damage. cancer is another story, its possible to damage your lungs to the point of acute respiritory failure without getting cancer.

and that article was terrible. i checled all of their references (all the ones that worked anyway) and not a single one of them supported their thesis that:

Yet most of the harms caused by tobacco use are due not to tar, but to the use of radioactive fertilizers. Surprisingly, radiation seems to be the most dangerous and important factor behind tobacco lung damage.

sure, its certainly possible that CANCER is caused by radioactivity (this would explain why smoking marijuana doesn't appear to cause lung cancer) but they presented no evidence whatsoever that suggests other forms of lung damage are caused by radiation and not tar. in fact, its believed that emphysema IS caused by tar and not radiation. emphysema and other forms of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease are actually more common than lung cancer, therefore its absurd to say that most harms caused by tobacco use are not related to the tar.
 
i didn't think i needed to provide a source because the burden of proof is one the side of those claiming that radiation causes emphysema. anyway, here is your source:



The importance of cigarette smoking as a risk factor for developing emphysema cannot be overemphasized. Cigarette smoke contributes to this disease process in 2 ways. It destroys lung tissue, which is the cause of the obstruction, and it causes inflammation and irritation of airways that can cause the disease to get worse.

* Destruction of lung tissue occurs in several ways. First, cigarette smoke directly affects the cells in the airway responsible for clearing mucus and other secretions. Occasional smoking temporarily disrupts the sweeping action of tiny hairs called cilia that line the airways. Continued smoking leads to longer dysfunction of the cilia. Long-term exposure to cigarette smoke causes the cilia to disappear from the cells lining the air passages. Without the constant sweeping motion of the cilia, mucous secretions cannot be cleared from the lower respiratory tract. Furthermore, smoke causes mucous secretion to be increased at the same time that the ability to clear the secretions is decreased. The resulting mucous buildup can provide bacteria with a rich source of food and lead to infection.

* The immune cells in the lung, whose job it is to prevent and fight infection, are also affected by cigarette smoke. They cannot fight bacteria as effectively or clear the lungs of the many particles (such as tar) that cigarette smoke contains. In these ways cigarette smoke sets the stage for frequent lung infections. Although these infections may not even be serious enough to require medical care, the inflammation caused by the immune system constantly attacking bacteria or tar leads to the release of destructive enzymes from the immune cells.

* Over time, enzymes released during this persistent inflammation lead to the loss of proteins responsible for keeping the lungs elastic. In addition, the tissue separating the air cells (alveoli) from one another also is destroyed. Over years of chronic exposure to cigarette smoke, the decreased elasticity and destruction of alveoli leads to the slow destruction of lung function.

http://www.medicineonline.com/encyclopedia/E/Emphysema
 
And how do we know that said tar was not affected by polonium and radiation, going on to cause COPD? There is no differentiation in the study, so it remains a grey area.

It is little known that the type of cigarette can affect the amount of damage done to a lung. There are rates of recovery, regeneration, etc.. as well as long term accumulative damage, all dependent on what is being smoked. All smoke is not the same.
 
I wouldn't take this study at face value, but it's silly to assume that smoking marijuana is totally harmless to you. But in the interest of harm reduction, I'll reiterate my often-touted advice:

Scared? Switch to a vaporizer. It eliminates all of negative effects of combusting marijuana if you get a good one. Burning plant material creates a range of harmful chemicals, including carbon monoxide, and it causes tar to accumulate in your lungs. But vaporizing only releases the cannabinoids, which have, to my knowledge, never been found to cause any physical harm like smoking it has.

Plus the high is better and far less paranoid.
 
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