This Company is Developing a Drug Based on Ibogaine for the Opioid Crisis

[Cream Gravy?]

Aderral is a cocktail of amphetamines including methamphetamine.

That's just patently false, I'm sorry. Adderal is a mix of amp salts, yes, but dexamp and regular amp, 0% methamp. You're thinking of Desoxyn which is rare, only bested by GHB when it comes to rare in presriptions.

I know you need certain ones but seriously GHB?

If she truly has narcolepsy it's the only condition you can be prescribed GHB for. She is in a less than 1% category of people in the US if she gets that. I envy that. Can't even find it on the streets, can't fake narcolepsy. Plus the DEA will be all over her since it's schedule 1... but anyways, GHB is the best known drug for narcolepsy, hence why even at schedule 1 it can be prescribed.

Methadone and Buprenorphine are not the answer,they're just band aids.

They are if your alternative is depression/suicide. The failure to accept that addiction is a result of discontentment with existence is the very reason the 'opioid crisis' exists. Make people content in their sober life, they won't need drugs, pain patients aside.

I take opioids because they mask how unhappy I am. They make all the hurt, mentally and physically, stop, and I do not regret using them. I do regret how unhappy I've become, but I was much less happy before I began using the plethora of downers I now switch between.

 

[Painful One]

Morphine is a cure all for opioid crisis related problems in life. Got an opioid crisis? Take some morphine.

There is no 'cure' for opioid abuse. People abuse them because their lives are shitty. Make peoples' lives better and worth living sober, then opioids won't be needed. It's so fucking gosh darn simple. No need for ibogaine or any other weird cocktail mixture of cures.

HAHA! I totally agree my friend. I, myself am on morphine and it cures me right up!

But really, being 100% totally physically dependent on morphine isn’t all that great either. I would caution others to use it sparingly if they are not already slaves to this drug. Keep yourself from becoming dependent on it. Don’t ever use it for two weeks straight or it has got you. Take days off in between usage.

But for us who are already dependent on morphine or Oxy, or hydrocodone, etc. Extended release morphine is the cure.

They need to make morphine available for everyone who is dependent already so nobody has to take a chance on street drugs and be killed or tortured by fentanyl. Taken advantage of in horrific ways etc.

Then I think, education about how to safely keep yourself from becoming a slave would be the answer and people need to can it completely with their “judgment “.

Be careful with the gabapentine, it’s like superglue and you will have physical and psychological problems when coming of.

yeah, thank you for that! I appreciate it. I already found this out the hard way. I have been given Gabapentin before and I went psychotic from just cold turkeying it after using it for a month. Landed me in the hospital.
So I am being very careful and I don’t have to worry about running out of it. This doctor has given me plenty with three refills and told me to just let him know if I need more, anytime.

Look I've been fucking around with drugs for 30 years. I've probably taken most kinds you can think of and it's no joke. People take drugs for all kind of reasons from all walks of life,if its medical like for painful one then there is a legitimate need.

As you get older and further into drug addiction you'll see,there are no happy addicts,it makes your problems and life worse...That's the truth ladies and gentlemen. Also how many old addicts do you know? I've had over ten friends die,its not just them but also friends and family who are effected. I've been a complete cunt at times because of drugs,It changes personalities and brain chemistry.

It was only yesterday I found out another friend had died,he was off his head,fell in a duck pond and drowned. Methadone and Buprenorphine are not the answer,they're just band aids. So I welcome any research into drugs that can stop addiction in its tracks. The success rate with Ibogaine is very high,there are enough testimonials on the web to see. Why live in the shadows on a lower vibration? Being treated like scum and acting like scum because you cant stand looking in the mirror,its no life.

There was a time when I raged against the norm,fuck em all and let's get fucked...Let's have our kicks before the whole shit house goes up in flames mentality. Who was I kidding? Isolating myself from life and slowly destroying who I really am. There's an old saying "you are your own worst enemy."

As for painful one,your Dr seems to dish out the drugs. I know you need certain ones but seriously GHB? Ask the Dr for Pregabalin instead of Gabapentin and Morphine makes you much more sleepy than say oxycodone. How about Adrafinil for the narcolepsy? Aderral is a cocktail of amphetamines including methamphetamine. Your Dr sounds like Theodor Morrell pumping you full of uppers and downers. I hope your brother can help you with your decisions. I'm just thinking of your long term health,physically and mentally.

well said brother!

yeah, no this new doctor is not the one who is giving me morphine or clonazepam. A pain specialist did that!
I am grateful I mean I was at deaths door when I got to him.
but this new doctor is a specialist in not only sleep but headaches and is a neurologist.
He is an award winning specialist and I was lucky to find him!
I was told I am dying from white matter brain disease and I had no hope whatsoever until just a week ago when he spent hours and hours with me and my brother.

I DO NOT want to get myself fucked over with medication or dependent on bad shit. So I am totally counting on my brother to help me make the right decisions and he went to medical school so he understands exactly what this doctor is saying and why we need to do this and that.

I am not so happy about the idea of GHB either, but he says this would transform my life. From disabled to a functioning human being again! So my brother is totally checking it out. I am moving real slow. This is a plan that is going to take years to construct. It is not like he is going to be pumping me full of amps and GHB anytime soon. This is a long road to recovery but the thing is that there IS a road to recovery for me so I have to take that chance! I am totally useless and disabled the way I am now.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Like I mentioned earlier, if you get the GHB, you should be happy. It’s supposedly one of the best feeling downers in existence, non existent on the black market, schedule 1, and extremely uncommon to be prescribed. In fact I’m pretty sure you’ll have to stay in contact with a DEA agent constantly to maintain a script for it. There are more billionaires in this country than people on GHB. What I would give to try it just once...

 

[Painful One]

Like I mentioned earlier, if you get the GHB, you should be happy. It’s supposedly one of the best feeling downers in existence, non existent on the black market, schedule 1, and extremely uncommon to be prescribed. In fact I’m pretty sure you’ll have to stay in contact with a DEA agent constantly to maintain a script for it. There are more billionaires in this country than people on GHB. What I would give to try it just once...

well, that makes me a little less horrified at the situation. Thank you guys. So much.
This is a lot for me to take in and I have to get used to a new way of thinking and be open to certain things that I would have said Absolutely NOT too. it is causing me to be a bit , a lot overwhelmed. So thanks for helping me to figure this out and to know what to expect etc. You guys have kept me from harm many, many times and have been more help than I can possibly express and for that I am grateful! Beyond belief. I have suffered for so long. I have literally been suffered unto The Lord!

 

[Phoenix_rising]

That's just patently false, I'm sorry. Adderal is a mix of amp salts, yes, but dexamp and regular amp, 0% methamp. You're thinking of Desoxyn which is rare, only bested by GHB when it comes to rare in presriptions.


If she truly has narcolepsy it's the only condition you can be prescribed GHB for. She is in a less than 1% category of people in the US if she gets that. I envy that. Can't even find it on the streets, can't fake narcolepsy. Plus the DEA will be all over her since it's schedule 1... but anyways, GHB is the best known drug for narcolepsy, hence why even at schedule 1 it can be prescribed.


They are if your alternative is depression/suicide. The failure to accept that addiction is a result of discontentment with existence is the very reason the 'opioid crisis' exists. Make people content in their sober life, they won't need drugs, pain patients aside.

I take opioids because they mask how unhappy I am. They make all the hurt, mentally and physically, stop, and I do not regret using them. I do regret how unhappy I've become, but I was much less happy before I began using the plethora of downers I now switch between.

I stand corrected on the Adderall and had no idea they used GHB for narcolepsy,that shit knocks me out,especially when I've got opiates in my system,that's just plain dangerous. I suppose that's why the cocktail of drugs to counteract each other,uppers and downers.

Some people want to stay addicts and others dont. If you want to stay on them that's your choice,but dont knock a drug that has the potential to stop addiction and save lives. If you find happiness in being an addict then good on you,but I'm sure my dead friends would rather of had a life.

I stand by my own words of experience when it comes to addiction. We can all bitch about life,this isn't fair,that isn't fair,my life is shit I'm depressed.The answer isn't to get fucked up and out of it though,that's just running away and burying your head in the sand. Its just an excuse to be an addict. I know I've done it. I'm sorry if I come across as judgemental,that's not the idea. This is a harm reduction forum and I don't want anyone to end up like my friends. I care about people.

If I didn't give a fuck I wouldn't say anything. I'm not here to aggrevate people,it's something I feel passionately about and everyone is entitled to their opinions,this is just mine and I'm getting it out there. If it saves one life then my friends didn't die in vain.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I was simply trying to point out that any drug that isn't a replacement for 24/7 contentment like opioids can offer isn't gonna get anyone off opioids. It's a crisis of the soul, not morality. People are depressed so they are using. An ibogaine based drug isn't gonna magically make peoples' depression and financial woes disappear. Unless the idea is that it provides the same contentment and is used daily/weekly/whatever like any other substitute would be. But then that would be just like bupe or methadone in the end, wouldn't it? So if people would stop worrying so much about people using and worry more about how to help those people achieve life contentment we might be getting somewhere. I don't see that happening, and ibogaine definitely isn't gonna flip some switch in a person and then boom, they're happy 24/7.

 

[Phoenix_rising]

Like I mentioned earlier, if you get the GHB, you should be happy. It’s supposedly one of the best feeling downers in existence, non existent on the black market, schedule 1, and extremely uncommon to be prescribed. In fact I’m pretty sure you’ll have to stay in contact with a DEA agent constantly to maintain a script for it. There are more billionaires in this country than people on GHB. What I would give to try it just once...

It's like coming up on good MDMA crossed with a barbiturate. It used to be an easy obtainable drug in the UK,but now it's GBL,which in all intents and purposes is GHB anyway. It feels extremely nice,but the withdrawals are horrendous and can be life threatening.

I was simply trying to point out that any drug that isn't a replacement for 24/7 contentment like opioids can offer isn't gonna get anyone off opioids. It's a crisis of the soul, not morality. People are depressed so they are using. An ibogaine based drug isn't gonna magically make peoples' depression and financial woes disappear. Unless the idea is that it provides the same contentment and is used daily/weekly/whatever like any other substitute would be. But then that would be just like bupe or methadone in the end, wouldn't it? So if people would stop worrying so much about people using and worry more about how to help those people achieve life contentment we might be getting somewhere. I don't see that happening, and ibogaine definitely isn't gonna flip some switch in a person and then boom, they're happy 24/7.

We'll have to agree to disagree. It's a morality of the soul.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I'm not sure where Painful One lives but I'm referring to the U.S. personally. GHB/GBL is nonexistent here and schedule 1 so the fact that her doctor is even willing to consider it for her narcolepsy is a miracle and bodes well for her, that he might actually be a compassionate, caring doctor, unlike many.

We'll have to agree to disagree. It's a morality of the soul.

Phoenix, so are you saying that you would rather be depressed 24/7? Like all you can think about is ways in which you could die? I'm not sure how turning to opioids to escape that would be immoral in the slightest. I'm not sure I understand why you disagree other than, "Opioids killed my friends and I had trouble with them too so no one should do them because life is always worth living," is that what you're saying here?

For the record, I believe assisted suicide after the age of 30 (or earlier if you have something debilitating/life ruining health-wise) should be completely legal and acceptable, if that illustrates my views more clearly. If you've got a shit lot in life you should be allowed ways to cope/escape.

 

[Painful One]

I'm not sure where Painful One lives but I'm referring to the U.S. personally. GHB/GBL is nonexistent here and schedule 1 so the fact that her doctor is even willing to consider it for her narcolepsy is a miracle and bodes well for her, that he might actually be a compassionate, caring doctor, unlike many.

I live in Utah. So yeah I am in the USA.
He is, a very kind, compassionate doctor and he spends hours with you and sees you all the time.
like weekly. He is truly doing this to help people.
You can tell he doesn’t need the money and isn’t kicking out patients every 15 minutes.
He has an accent and I cannot tell where he is from. But he has gotten around and his patients absolutely love him. All of them.
my brother checked that out completely and even talked to some of his patients! They assured him that I was in the right place!
He seems to know every doctor, research people, etc. everywhere.

Phoenix, so are you saying that you would rather be depressed 24/7? Like all you can think about is ways in which you could die? I'm not sure how turning to opioids to escape that would be immoral in the slightest. I'm not sure I understand why you disagree other than, "Opioids killed my friends and I had trouble with them too so no one should do them because life is always worth living," is that what you're saying here?

For the record, I believe assisted suicide after the age of 30 (or earlier if you have something debilitating/life ruining health-wise) should be completely legal and acceptable, if that illustrates my views more clearly. If you've got a shit lot in life you should be allowed ways to cope/escape.

you know I can see both of your points of view.

I was actually looking for assisted suicide places. That was my plan because life for me for the past ten years has not even been a real life or a life worth living. It has just been all I can do to manage my symptoms with morphine, clonazepam, and Ambien so I can even be well enough to not be put in a nursing home.

If it had not been for opiates I would have been dead long ago. That is how I coped. I had some kind of control and management of my situation. But after being hit from behind on the freeway at high speed, it knocked all my symptoms beyond my control of any kind.
I have been confined to my house for ten years now!

I think the opiate problem is two factors.
1- spiritual crisis, we have lost our connection to our divinity. Human beings where not meant to live in a concrete jungle. Etc.
we have lost our connection to the Earth and to God! And to each other!
2- the way life has become. So expensive that you have to work like a slave day and night and nobody wants to get married or have kids! Hell no! You can barely support yourself working day and night now. People can’t buy homes and have families and the natural balance has been knocked out completely. People use opiates because that is the ONLY source of anything that resembles happiness.
It is the only thing that resembles “joy” and is an escape for happiness in slavery!

I worked my ass off to set up an annuity for my one and only kid. I set it up so she got $12,000 when she was 18, another $12,000 when she was 21 and the final 13,000 when she was 25. I told her to use it wisely because this was the ONLY help I could give her to get a life! I left myself with nothing to do this for her. I didn’t want her to have to go through what I had. I never got one dime of help!

On the other hand, people have lost loved ones, dear friends. Watched them fall apart at the seams. They don’t want to see this happen to others. But the way life has become, it is going to chew up and spit out everyone.
Pink Floyd had it right in his song about the machine.

and god forbid you need to go to a dentist or the emergency room. That will bankrupt most people!

 

[Cream Gravy?]

and god forbid you need to go to a dentist or the emergency room. That will bankrupt most people!

I'm ironically *sobs* fighting a $12000 hospital bill for the past 5 months now. I told my wife if I ever need to go to the hospital again to let me just die but she didn't take that too well.

I really feel for you Painful One, I hope your situation improves. The government needs to let people such as yourself have the medication you need



I mean, I get it. Heroin is fucked, especially today with all the fent in it. I don't mess with street oxy or heroin as a result, I don't wana die. I just want the physical and emotional pain to stop long enough I can think sometimes.

@Painful One Don't worry I'm nearing the end of that fight (thank God as it has been stressful as fuck), those bastards can't get 12k from me if my bank account hasn't even 2k lol. We think the debt can be wiped clean if we continue to cruise below 200% of the FPL till it's settled, so I'm not working till it's settled, then I'll get some shit job for side cash cause my wife's career is taking off pretty well.

Never go to a hospital without insurance kids. NEVER.

 

[Painful One]

I'm ironically *sobs* fighting a $12000 hospital bill for the past 5 months now. I told my wife if I ever need to go to the hospital again to let me just die but she didn't take that too well.

I really feel for you Painful One, I hope your situation improves. The government needs to let people such as yourself have the medication you need



I mean, I get it. Heroin is fucked, especially today with all the fent in it. I don't mess with street oxy or heroin as a result, I don't wana die. I just want the physical and emotional pain to stop long enough I can think sometimes.

Thanks Man! I appreciate that.
i am hopeful for the first time in a long time, so let’s pray.

Call the billing office and human resource department at that hospital and tell them you can’t afford it and just talk to them.
You would be surprised how much you can get them to write off on hospital bills!
I know this for a fact because I was an insurance broker for ten Years and I did this all the time for my clients.

I got them to write off three fourths of those bills and set up a payment plan of $25 a month for people everyday!

I hope that helps you my friend and I also wish you the best!

@Painful One Don't worry I'm nearing the end of that fight (thank God as it has been stressful as fuck), those bastards can't get 12k from me if my bank account hasn't even 2k lol. We think the debt can be wiped clean if we continue to cruise below 200% of the FPL till it's settled, so I'm not working till it's settled, then I'll get some shit job for side cash cause my wife's career is taking off pretty well.

Never go to a hospital without insurance kids. NEVER.

Lol! They can’t squeeze water out of a rock can they?

my insurance company pays out enough to cover your bill!

Fuck them!!

I want to apologize to @Phoenix_rising on this thread, publicly.
I already sent him a p.m.

but...It was very insensitive of us to not recognize and acknowledge his grief over just loosing another friend!
In such a terrible way.

I meant to say something immediately about it but my brain is messed up right now. It forgets to do and say things that I did think of and meant to do right away. Please forgive me dear friend.

We have ALL lost too many good and amazing souls to opiate and other addiction!
I am so sad about it and I will do what I can with both my brothers being able to figure something out to help.
One is a research doctor scientist and the other is a chemical engineer. I am going to get on them about helping for addiction.

Please help me think of ideas guys. You know best and you are all smart and clever folks!
Let’s here some real out of the box thinking! Give it to me! I will make it happen!!!

My deepest condolences to @Phoneix_rising. Love you my brother. ❤

 

[Cream Gravy?]

My cousin died of fent overdose, I’m sure all of us know someone we’ve lost... all the more reason for legalization and education.

 

[Phoenix_rising]

Phoenix, so are you saying that you would rather be depressed 24/7? Like all you can think about is ways in which you could die? I'm not sure how turning to opioids to escape that would be immoral in the slightest. I'm not sure I understand why you disagree other than, "Opioids killed my friends and I had trouble with them too so no one should do them because life is always worth living," is that what you're saying here?

For the record, I believe assisted suicide after the age of 30 (or earlier if you have something debilitating/life ruining health-wise) should be completely legal and acceptable, if that illustrates my views more clearly. If you've got a shit lot in life you should be allowed ways to cope/escape.

I think you've read me wrong man. I believe life is worth living,but I'm not saying that people who are suffering should not have the right to decide their own fate. I'm talking about people who could read your post and think that because they're depressed it's a good thing to take opiates,that somehow that's the answer.

If that's what you decide that's up to you,but remember this is a harm reduction site,there are vulnerable people here. What if a person reading your views,who was depressed ended up getting on opiates and killed themselves? Would you be happy with that?

I thought the mission statement on bluelight was to help people and to make the facts clear so as to prevent harm and death.

I'm not against assisted suicide for those who have debilitating physical problems that effect quality of life,when there isn't any prospects of a cure.

If opiates help your depression and make your life better then good for you,you're a minority. For the majority opiate addiction makes their problems worse,it doesn't enhance their lives,but ruins it. As Ewan Mc Gregor says in Trainspotting "choose life."

I saw both my parents suffer and die from Cancer,they were in pain every day,but they wanted to live. Its often the case when your close to death that you see life for what it truly is. My Father had a huge tumour on his neck that ruptured from time to time,he couldn't speak properly,he had a feeding tube in his stomach,his legs were swollen and contiually wept. He had a huge scar on the opposite side of his neck where they took the muscle out because that had cancer. He underwent intensive radiotherapy and suffered burns,but still he wanted to live. In the morning he would sit in his sun room and look out into the garden and say "I'm gifted another day,life is sweet ."

Personally I don't see opiates as an answer,but more of an excuse. I'm not being righteous or taking the moral high ground. You have your views and I have mine. As I stated we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Painful One]

This is what we are going to do guys...

 

[Cream Gravy?]

As Ewan Mc Gregor says in Trainspotting "choose life."

And a mortgage, car payments, etc. etc. I don't think that dialogue was justifying choosing to live the life society has deemed 'moral'. I think it was more meant to say that both being an addict, or accepting the drudgery of sobriety and a miserable job to support some shitty capitalistic system that shits on you day after day are terrible options... that we have no options. 'Which hell do you choose?' is what I gathered from that film.

In the morning he would sit in his sun room and look out into the garden and say "I'm gifted another day,life is sweet ."

I'd probably cling to life too if I had a house with a sun-room looking out into a garden to sit in. Sounds beautiful. Easy to see the beauty in life, even through pain, when you're surrounded by it. It's a lot harder when you're surrounded by misery, crime, desolation... you get the picture.

I get your point of view and I agree that no one should take my words as an affirmation that opioids are an answer to depression. I'm simply arguing that depression is caused by the miserable world our forefathers created for us, therefore offering the depressed mind justification for suicidal ideation and in turn, turning to drugs that make those thoughts go away for a day or two.

 

[Phoenix_rising]

And a mortgage, car payments, etc. etc. I don't think that dialogue was justifying choosing to live the life society has deemed 'moral'. I think it was more meant to say that both being an addict, or accepting the drudgery of sobriety and a miserable job to support some shitty capitalistic system that shits on you day after day are terrible options... that we have no options. 'Which hell do you choose?' is what I gathered from that film.

I'd probably cling to life too if I had a house with a sun-room looking out into a garden to sit in. Sounds beautiful. Easy to see the beauty in life, even through pain, when you're surrounded by it. It's a lot harder when you're surrounded by misery, crime, desolation... you get the picture.

I get your point of view and I agree that no one should take my words as an affirmation that opioids are an answer to depression. I'm simply arguing that depression is caused by the miserable world our forefathers created for us, therefore offering the depressed mind justification for suicidal ideation and in turn, turning to drugs that make those thoughts go away for a day or two.

You sound very bitter and envious of others,that's poisonous for the soul. There is beauty in life,you just cant see it. And Ewen Mc Gregor meant choose life,pretty simple really,no need to twist it into something it's not.

Jealousy gets you nowhere. Life is what you make it. Its just no good being bitter and twisted. Peace and love to you brother,shine on.

This is what we are going to do guys...

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I absolutely love this. We're warriors of the rainbow. ❤✌

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I am bitter, but I see beauty still. I have good things in my life. I just don’t think you seem to realize the gap between the haves and have nots.

And no, I don’t think it’s that simple (the Trainspotting quote). I tire of this debate since you and I will not agree on this matter ever, so let’s just leave it at that.

 

[Painful One]

I am bitter, but I see beauty still. I have good things in my life. I just don’t think you seem to realize the gap between the haves and have nots.

And no, I don’t think it’s that simple (the Trainspotting quote). I tire of this debate since you and I will not agree on this matter ever, so let’s just leave it at that.

 

[Zonxx]

Morphine is a cure all for opioid crisis related problems in life. Got an opioid crisis? Take some morphine.

There is no 'cure' for opioid abuse. People abuse them because their lives are shitty. Make peoples' lives better and worth living sober, then opioids won't be needed. It's so fucking gosh darn simple. No need for ibogaine or any other weird cocktail mixture of cures.

^ People have used opiates for thousands of years, just because of this fentanyl issue there has been widespread attention directed mainly at the use, but it should be a focus more so on the manufacture/distrubution/usage of fentanyl, yes people still die but that doesn't mean because street drugs are deadly they should punish legitamate pain patients that like @Painful One and myself, aren't trying to get 'high' but require x amount of opiates to function... I'm forced to both hit the street, do what i need to in order to afford the drug substitutes, or for that matter stick a needle into my damn arm because i can't use a few extra pills due to the fact that doing so will result in not having enough. -,-
i was high and didn't click post, so posty post time.

 

[Painful One]

I agree @Zonxx .
This situation should NOT include pain patients at all and they need to give anyone the benefit of the doubt if they say they are in pain.
If some lie to get opiates, well they are going to pay the price and it is a high price to pay if you do not really NEED them to function at all! The doctors need to tell you straight up about withdrawal and stuff before they just hand over the prescription. That is where doctors could improve. They need to listen to what pain patients are telling them closely. My pain specialist has missed narcolepsy for ten years! I cannot really blame him as I learned doctors get zero training in the area of sleep! I finally went to a sleep specialist and he knew right away!! He was gobsmacked that I had made it 40 years like this and told my family that “She is completely disabled like this!” I was so grateful for that because now they are supporting me instead of treating me like scum.

I am SO sad, grieved to my very soul, and angry that you are saying you have had to turn to the street and to the needle!
OH! That hurts me to my core @Zonxx . You are such a good guy!