This can't be tolerance, What's going on?

[Almostz]

Day one: 27.5mg of Hydrocodone. Great feeling, lasts several hours. Comedown. Sleep.
Day two: 35mg of Hydrocodone. Great feeling, lasts several hours. Comedown. Sleep.
Day three: 6mg of Alprazolam. Decent high, just to take a break and get anxiety back under control.
Day four: 47.5mg Hydrocodone. Great feeling, lasts up to an hour at most. Worse comedown. Sleep.

Why the hell did the largest amount of Hydrocodone ever taken last for such a short time? Before those 4 days there had been no prior use for months, surely a tolerance can't develop that quickly. The Alprazolam shouldn't effect that either. Anyone know what is going on? What ended it so quickly, and would it be a waste to try similar doses for day 5?

 

[nsauce]

This sounds pretty normal. Had you waited more than one day before another hydro dose, you would have felt it stronger. Yes, tolerance CAN develop that quickly, especially if you have had previous physical dependence on the hydros .

 

[Almostz]

But day one and two were fine, even with a break and higher dose day four was utterly disappointing. There has never been a problem with physical dependence before. I don't see why an extra 12mg wouldn't produce the same effects two days later. Would it be a waste to take more on day five?

Thanks for the response. Didn't know tolerance could develop that quickly.

 

[nsauce]

If I were you, I would wait 2 or 3 days before another dose of hydro . I think taking some on day 5 would likely be a waste, and would increase your tolerance even further .

 

[Almostz]

It was originally intended to be used as help for tapering down a tolerance to benzodiazepines, seeing as it has similar depressant qualities. A tolerance building that quickly has never happened before. Especially from three days, and with that big of dose changes per day. I guess it's time for another benzo day. Hopefully 4mg will suffice.

 

[nsauce]

I see. If you are trying to completely get off xanax, the best way to do this is a slow taper with a longer-acting benzo such as valium or klonopin. Since benzo withdrawal can be dangerous and even FATAL, the best way to do this, hands down, is to do it under a doctor's care. I am also currently doing a benzo taper, with the goal of being completely off benzos. If you want more advice from someone who has successfully done this more than once, feel free to PM me, I know how difficult and distressing getting off benzos can be, trust me i do .

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

benzos help for coming off opiates, but i do not think you are supposed to try it the other way around. i have heard that opiates decrease GABA activity in some way, so they can increase your risk of seizures during benzo withdrawal.

 

[nsauce]

benzos help for coming off opiates, but i do not think you are supposed to try it the other way around. i have heard that opiates decrease GABA activity in some way, so they can increase your risk of seizures during benzo withdrawal.

This is correct. If you prefer not to PM me, I can post my advice here in the thread (i think) . I am about to go get a haircut, but will return immediately after . Again, I know how difficult it can be getting of benzos, and using opiates is NOT the right way to do it. Ill check back here as soon as I get back home.

 

[Almostz]

Thanks for the advice guys, I know the risks involved with decreasing my tolerance in this manner, but I'm not 100% sure I'm even physically addicted. When rebound anxiety kicks in, it's time for a "benzo day". I'm just trying to get my tolerance down to a medicinal level again. Been abusing them too long, time to take them how I'm supposed to. The opiates just help keep me calm and relaxed throughout the day.

 

[nsauce]

Ok, so how much have you been taking and for how long ? What dose are you trying to get back down to ? And is xanax the only benzo you have been taking for the most part ? Are you able to go to a doctor ? If not, do you have access to valium or klonopin ?

 

[highhooked]

I beleive i know what it is. Thats a pretty large amount after getting high off only 27mg a few dys prior.

So im guessing after an hour you were still technically high but it was just a shitty high because you took to much which causes a shitty feeling instead of a good feeling (opiates do that) so you jut mistook it for a comedown.

I feel better when i snort only 10mg of opana rather than 15 or 20. Yea i get a good rush from the 15mg or 20mg dose but then after about an hour its more of a shitty feeling and less high feeling. On 10mg its a smooth sailing high all the way through. Opiates are weird. Stick with a low dose your lucky.

 

[Almostz]

Ok, so how much have you been taking and for how long ? What dose are you trying to get back down to ? And is xanax the only benzo you have been taking for the most part ? Are you able to go to a doctor ? If not, do you have access to valium or klonopin ?

I have a script for Klonopin 2mg a day. The Xanax is just extras. I don't want off them completely, I just want to start using them for the right reasons as opposed to abusing them all the time. I've been taking between 10-16mg of Xanax almost daily for the past 2-3 months prior to this week. If I'm not physically addicted its a miracle. But I have never had withdrawals and I've been slowly tapering down. Now about 6mg gets me what my 2mg used to accomplish.

@Highhooked - I felt absolutely amazing for the first hour I was on it, and after that I was just sedated, no euphoria, nothing great. The comedown still came quite awhile after this, and just made me more nauseous than normal, probably from the high dose (relative to my tolerance). I mean it wasn't a shitty high, there really wasn't a high after an hour. Which is what I don't understand. Then about 4 hours after the comedown came on.

 

[nsauce]

Ok then, just slowly taper your xanax intake. If you have easy access to them, just start tapering at a rate of .5mg a week. Allow yourself to stabilize and then drop another .5 . If you feel comfortable enough to drop faster, you should be okay because your klonopin is going to keep you from seizing . It's not going to be comfortable, but it's definitely doable. It is very important to not go back to a higher dose while you are tapering. The fact that you were taking hydros to accomplish this tells me you are wanting to get high, and this could be a problem while you are tapering. Your cravings might get pretty intense. Try to stay busy. Hopefully you have school or work, if not, try to keep yourself physically and mentally occupied as much as possible. If you have been on klonopin for some time, you are likely already addicted to xanax as well, due to cross-dependence. (Klonopin and xanax are both benzodiazepines). Don't let that discourage you. If you are serious about this, get a pencil and paper, or use notepad on your computer and draw up a taper schedule. As I mentioned, I would try downdosing the xanax by .5mg every 5-7 days . You didn't say you have a prescription for the xanax so i'll assume you don't. If acquiring the xanax is a problem, you can taper faster than .5. You can use valerian root to help you stay relaxed, I have found it works quite well. If you can get to a doctor, by all means do so. Tell the doctor your situation and the doctor can help you draw up a very specific taper schedule, and possibly prescribe some comfort meds to help. Clonodine will help with heart palpitations. Diphenhydramine (benadryl) will help you sleep. So will melatonin . If you can avoid stressful situations while tapering, it will make things easier. There is no easy way out of this, but it's not impossible. I've done it several times, and I am doing it RIGHT NOW . I have tapered from 8-10mg of xanax a day to my current level of 3mg a day. It hasnt been easy and yes I have felt like crap, but its better than going back to prison for scoring black market pharmaceuticals. I know it's scary, but if you want this bad enough you can do it. There is no valid reason for anyone to be on 10-16mg of xanax a day. I know you aren't even getting high on that much anymore, I've been there . I guess thats enough information to get you started. Please let me know if you are going to try to do this, and I will try to keep up with your progress. Your first step is to do the math, and get down a taper schedule, then STICK TO IT.

 

[Almostz]

Well too be honest, I am not going to completely stop abusing the benzos. But 10-16mg daily is just ridiculous. I really don't think I am physically addicted or I should have noticed w/d symptoms after 48 hours or so. All I have after going that long is extreme rebound anxiety. I'm tapering a lot faster than that. Today I only took 4mg and although it only made me feel "normal" I feel if I slowly drop from here, along with daily breaks between doses I should be fine in a month or so. I have plenty of benzos on hand in case I do start w/d's, so I'm not too worried about that. Just gonna keep my mind on school, and off getting high. I have the willpower to do so. Thanks a ton for the concern and advice though. It's greatly appreciated. This is just something I've needed to do for awhile.

 

[nsauce]

Great ! I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but I believe that you likely are addicted to benzos. It IS possible that you aren't, but I wouldnt put my money on it. That is great that you are able to drop your dose so quickly, this is a good sign. As I mentioned earlier, there is NO therapeutic value in such a crazy high dose of xanax, and you really do need to stop taking so much. I don't really see a problem with you taking your prescribed dose of kpin, and using xanax OCCASIONALLY for breakthrough anxiety (anxiety that occurs even during your prescribed dose of kpins) but to take that much daily is just too much, and a waste - as well as the fact that 10-16mg plus your kpin is crazy, but you seem to be aware of this already . You sound as if you are ready to do this, and there are people here at BL that can offer further advice if you need it. There is no need to rush your downdosing, but it is important to not go back to a higher dose while you are downdosing, as this would be counterproductive. Good luck, and if you have and more questions or concerns, there are people here at BL with experience with this that can help out.

 

[Almostz]

The Xanax is never taken on top of the Kpins, Xanax is usually to fill the spot when my script runs out early. And I ended up in the hospital from a panic attack from not having either a week ago. I am no doubt mentally addicted to benzos. But I have never noticed any w/d symptoms other than extreme rebound anxiety. Again, thanks for the help. I have plenty on hand at the moment. So tapering down shouldn't be a problem. I'm trying to get to the point to where my script will work therapeutically again, and I will just have Xanax for a very occasional night of fun. Gotta get this bitch under control before something bad happens.

 

[Coolwhip]

This is what you sound like.

"I never noticed any withdrawal symptoms except for the withdrawal symptoms I experienced, I can't be addicted, except I am addicted, because I only experience some withdrawal symptoms."

You, my friend, are in denial.

edit: I don't mean to be discouraging, you are doing the right thing(or at least a good thing), so keep at it. But you aren't doing yourself any favors, or helping the situation, by denying reality.

And I have been ad addict for over 10 years, so don't think I am judging.

 

[Almostz]

I'm not in denial, I admitted I am psychologically addicted to benzos. It took 4 days for rebound anxiety to kick in badly enough to cause a severe panic attack. From what I've read withdrawal symptoms begin within 48 hours (correct me if I'm wrong here). I know I am addicted, but I don't know if I am surely physically addicted. There are many other symptoms to w/d than simple rebound anxiety.

 

[nsauce]

Withdrawal symptoms kick in in an amount of time specific to the half life of the benzo in question. Klonopin has a much longer half life than xanax, so withdrawal symptoms from klonopin are going to kick in after a longer period of abstinence than xanax. Nobody is trying to be a jerk here, and nobody is trying to discourage you from asking for help . Let's not worry about whether or not you think you are or aren't physically addicted to either med. If you want to really find out, just stop taking both meds for a week and see how you feel. There are numerous sites online that will show you the half life of all the benzos. They are pretty much all different. Your kpin script is running out too early because you are taking more than you are prescribed, obviously. Just be vigilant with your taper, don't get a case of the "fuck its" and take extra benzos of any type right now. If you can get any of the otc items I mentioned previously, they can help with some symptoms when you are adjusting to a lower dose. Try not to get discouraged, if I can do it, trust me, you can too . Just stick to your guns and you will win.