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think i can return to chipping?

Serotonin101

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Hello. Sero here. I've been an opiate addict for nearly 3 years now and an iv heroin user for nearly 2. I'm currently a suboxone patient but I still chip occasionally. Do you think that I could get off the subs and continue chipping with h maybe once a week or even once a month? My girl chips here and there and keeps herself straight so I figure if I only get high when she does (I do not pressure her so that I can get high) then maybe I can be the recreational junkie that I always thought was a myth. Anyone actually successfully chip with iv h?
 
Personally I don't think you could stay chipping for long. As you said yourself you thought that a recreational junkie was just a myth.
You may find that you could chip for a period of time but eventually you would probably end up using full time again especially as you have already been there.
In my opinion heroin use is usually all or nothing with no halfway house in between.
 
I read somewhere someone said using heroin especially iv is a full time job. I can attest to that. Thank you for your advice. I struggle with this decision everyday. As much pain and suffering heroin has caused in my life I still "love it" so much. As sick as it may sound I miss the hustle, the scams, the stealing, the deceiving, that adrenaline rush you get when the plan falls together and you get your fix. More or less I wanna be able to use without having to jump through all the hoops to support a full blown habit. Too much risky shit gets involved and I don't wanna be in jail for something as petty as robbing to get HIGH. It's one thing to steal to feed your family, its another to steal to feed the ever starving veins of a junkie :( thanks for bringing me back into proper perspective. Addiction is a very cunning bitch, like an ex you can't give up.
 
It sounds to me like suboxone gives you exactly what you want it allows you to chip while maintaining a normal life style. Or is there some reason why the subs have to go?
 
I would suggest against it. Some people can hold their shit together with that...most can't. It's likely to get you back in the mentality of wanting to consistently use again, and your state of mind WILL change. It's too easy to slip, so I really advise against it.
 
I sincerely doubt someone like you or I could could go back to once-a-week using. I've tried, many times, it always results in a long binge or an extreme resurgence of cravings. Some people I know use heroin once or twice a week but fill the rest of the days with other drugs.

If you're stable on the subs, keep with it. If you stop chipping, you'll find suboxone to be far more effective. Consider quitting subs when you're cravings subside!
 
I have to quit subs soon cuz in January I get booted off my families health insurance. So I wanna find a way to chip like I do now but without the subs .
 
I'm not gonna say it's impossible, but it's highly, HIGHLY improbable. I know in my case, there is no "occasional" use of any opiates... I might start out with that intention, but within like, a couple days it's back to full steam ahead. So yeah, I'd advise against that.
 
Honestly, man, I have an old sub Rx that has lasted me over a year. A regular script is like 2 or 3 x 8mg, and I usually take .25mg a day. Subs are way over-dosed. Anyways, it has gotten me through over a year of wd/s from hard use and some attempts at chipping.
 
muvolution said:
"The dope hustle is still a nine to five, the hours are just a little more inclined to the shadows." -Jim Carrol
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Not come across that particular quote before. Ain't that G*d's honest truth! Like it! Note I never got paid for the damn overtime I put in though all that much now you mention the hours? ;)

Hey Sero. You'll find my thoughts on this here

In your case it will be harder perhaps, because while you think now you can sync your chipping to your g/fs pattern of use, what happens when you want to chip on one of her off days, or she wants to chip on yours? Answer is you'll probably both end up using, unless you're both very strong willed. Even chipping co-dependancy is likely to rear its ugly head and stamp you down with a time-frame of its own choosing. I don't think it's likely to happen the way you want.
 
Thank you for all the advice. I'll definitely talk to my girl about this as it was an idea we both agreed on. Damn I love BL. :)
 
Hey Sero, I know you've already gotten a lot of good advice in here already but I just wanted to also say that I think it's a bad idea to try and keep it to just chipping. That's just playing with fire and if you've already had issues with opiate addiction, and you already know that you haven't been able to control your use in the past, it's pretty highly likely that eventually the same thing will happen again. You may be able to chip for a little while but it can be a really slippery slope back in to full-time addiction, it may happen too quickly for you to gain control over it. Is it worth taking that risk? I know you still love the high, and you probably always will. But you need to weigh up the pros and cons of risking full-on addiction again. It's commendable that your girlfriend is able to chip and just keep it at that, but remember that everyone is different, and try not to compare your drug use tendencies with hers. You gotta be honest with yourself about the realistic probability of you being able to keep it at just chipping without losing control over it.

I hope you make the right decision. Stay strong man :) Take care <3
 
after so long of opiod use, it's like eating sugar for the first time in 4 years, it's sweet, but once your on.. it"s downhill brotha. try soma
 
Well heres a small update. Been chipping for the past couple weeks, maybe a bundle a month habit (beats a bundle a day lol). So far I've remained strong in saying no to the demon of addiction, though it is getting harder after each taste. Been off for 2 days now, feeling a little meh but nothing serious
 
It gets harder after each taste, and that's the whole problem. There's only so much your mind will be able to withstand until it falls back into that cycle again. Please be careful.
 
^Yup! Sero, you're just constantly feeding the cravings, topping up the tolerance, re-establishing a pattern of use and putting in place everything your brain needs to re-establish the habit, which happens way too fast as ex-addict. All it takes is 3 or 4 days of continual use and you're back into withdrawal symptoms territory. You're one binge away from a relapse that will undo any efforts you've made to come off and stay off. It would maybe have been better to stay on the Suboxone maintenance and sate your need for opiates that way if you have to have something, because every time you do a detox then relapse you make your next rip even harder. Be careful man.
 
There is nothing impossible although it seems that chipping with heroin is less successful than other substances. Perhaps part of the appeal of opiates is the comfort of daily use; I'm not sure. If you can be honest with yourself then you'll be able to evaluate the decisions. Using it once in a while and then forgetting about it until the next time is one thing, but if it involves constantly fighting urges 6 days out of 7 then it may not be so enjoyable.
 
I know chipping despite others advice may make me appear stupid, all of the advice is helping me moderate my using. I really do appreciate all the advice I have received and will probably continue chipping. I actually got a decent nod going from a shot I did last night, about 8 hours ago actually. Feels good to keep a low tolerence.
 
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