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these drugs are taunting me

well, as i said, you just want to justify your behaviour by waiting for some dude to come in and say "no worries, it's fine". this is not going to happen because this is a harm reduction forum, so you might as well gtfo.
 
On the note of harm reduction, and if you absolutely must, then why not try that out with either of your 2Cs? The safety profile is that much better, plus they're very stable in solution

Really though, don't.
 
Bagseed said:
well, as i said, you just want to justify your behaviour by waiting for some dude to come in and say "no worries, it's fine". this is not going to happen because this is a harm reduction forum, so you might as well gtfo.
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I'm just making conversation, I don't need a validation, and theres no need to get testy with language.

Ideally we should all be using lab grade analytical balances precise down to 10ug, but I would put a large wager on it that 99% of everyone here has no such access to such a scale. I didnt spend upwards of a grand or more on my scale, so I know at the < 20mg range it can be off by as much as +/- 2mg. This is an accepted error tolerance, and every single one of you accept that. It is accounted for in my calculations by the amount of solution I will create and taking a very low dose to gauge my reaction. As I said, even if I have double the amount of powder, which I most certainly do not, I will be well within an accepted 'safe' dose range.

I don't deny that double checking the amount to get closer to the magic perfect number would be ideal, but there are also plenty of other factors that are at play, such as the purity of the substance itself, or my individual tolerance that can alter the playing field more than being off a few mg as a whole in a solution. Those things are obviously that which we cannot control. As I said, even if I had my scale and it did come out to be exactly 14mg average on it, it can still potentially be off and there is still the level of risk involved. So even if the amount of substance per ml in my solution is not exactly as I intended, which in truth never will be, by the nature of titrating from a low dose to find my own personal threshhold, I am taking as many steps as I possibly can towards harm reduction. Its pretty simple mathematics.

Im not doing this shit all willy nilly to say the least.

kidklmx said:
On the note of harm reduction, and if you absolutely must, then why not try that out with either of your 2Cs? The safety profile is that much better, plus they're very stable in solution

Really though, don't.
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Because those are much larger quantities which I don't want to put into solution other than in 40-50mg batches, which I require the scale to weigh out. I have no idea the exact amount of substance in the bags, there is just a sticker with the substance name, a fancy drawing of the molecule and a printed '250mg.' Note that I will still use a volumetric approach for these substances as well to ensure the best possible measurement that I can, as measuring out a 16mg dose isnt going to be accurately repeatable on my scale which I have to acknowledge.

The amount on the nbome bag is actually written in pen by whoever dealed it out. The notion of the vendor needing batteries in their scale and it being off is a long shot, we could go back and forth with "what ifs" all day long.

This is realistic harm reduction in my opinion. I've ensured that even in the event that their and my scale are horribly off, that I will still be taking in a safe acceptable level of dose - even if it launches me into orbit. I really don't think it gets any better than that, aside from having a lab grade analytical balance. Personally I view this to be safer than buying premade blotters online and hoping that the vendor properly laid the blotter
 
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infantannihilator said:
The notion of the vendor needing batteries in their scale and it being off is a long shot.
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But that the amount could not be the same as written on the bag is a very common thing even with the most reliable RC-Vendors.
While I agree that buying Blotters is not the safest way either it is still fact that using it without weighing would be very irresponsible.

Before doing that with an NBOMe(!) I would eyeball some of the 2C-I (which I'd never recommend or even consider otherwise).
 
dude, I've been in that exact situation, where youre sober and just staring at 25I and thinking

"well this would at least make things somewhat interesting"

but if you don't have some kind of plan for what youre doing after you'll just wind up posting on bluelight about how it's not mdma like I did

I look at 1.5 mgs every time I open my stash box, not even sure what im going to do with it lol
 
DickTate said:
But that the amount could not be the same as written on the bag is a very common thing even with the most reliable RC-Vendors.
While I agree that buying Blotters is not the safest way either it is still fact that using it without weighing would be very irresponsible.

Before doing that with an NBOMe(!) I would eyeball some of the 2C-I (which I'd never recommend or even consider otherwise).
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Not disagreeing, but I do know for sure that I have approx what is on the bag, give or take a few mg which would be there even if I weigh. Even if it is off, the margin for error is so small with the way I am approaching taking it that even if there were double the amount, Id be still well under 1mg dose.. It would definitely be irresponsible, but not as irresponsible as eyeing out an amount and snorting it, not that that validates anything in any way.

Honestly the dude who told me about 25i told me to just order 10mg and eye out 1-2mg and snort it.. I think even being as irresponsible as to not verify the contents exactly I am lightyears ahead of such reckless advice. But like the dude above said, I dont need to explain myself and wait for some validation, if I decide to do it, Im going to do it with what I have at the moment, but I really dont feel I am being all that wreckless, I have taken into consideration many things.

I did actually try to eye out some 2ci just to see how it would go and I pretty much ended up with two pretty different "16.25mg" piles and I said no, definitely waiting for a scale to get here.

shimazu said:
dude, I've been in that exact situation, where youre sober and just staring at 25I and thinking

"well this would at least make things somewhat interesting"

but if you don't have some kind of plan for what youre doing after you'll just wind up posting on bluelight about how it's not mdma like I did

I look at 1.5 mgs every time I open my stash box, not even sure what im going to do with it lol
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lol. I plan to just trip out at home, try to play some guitar, lay on my bed with some tunes, go for a walk :dunno:

I'm not a big go out in public and do hallucinogens kinda person. That and any time Ive ever done any sort of hallucinogen in the past.. any sort of plan of action prior to the start of the trip usually ends up taking a back seat to whatever the drug wants to do.
 
my final opinion on 25I is that it makes you way too weird to act in public, but doesn't really give you any deeper insight to things

you just feel weird

so it's like, what are you really getting out of it?

I know everyone is different but that's just what I got out of it at 1.5 mgs, higher doses might bring more to the table but honestly I would doubt it's anything more than some cheap visuals a la like the original Pokemon games on gameboy when you used the move Psychic and the screen gets all crazy
 
You didn't get any insane crazy visuals?

I only have real experience with mushrooms and those have always made me way too weird for social interaction at least until the come down where everything all starts to finally make sense and I feel at peace with the world and want to converse. But generally, I've always felt more secure tripping solo. Thats just me. My main interest in these compounds has been being able to up the visual level yet still be coherent enough to appreciate them.. ive had some insane mushroom trips where the whole world just falls apart around me and Im just too wrecked to even comprehend the fact that everything has fallen apart around me.

I dont necessarily have any absolute intentions like I need to find deeper insight, I'll take whatever happens.. if I can gain insights into things then great, but if not and I still feel like it was a worthwhile time then thats great too. I feel like the less I put a demand into something the more it will give if that makes any sense. But yeah, if its not a substance you necessarily jive with then I agree there is no point in taking it if you don't really like it, but you never know, you may end up in the mood for it one day.
 
not really, just a bewildered state and vasoconstriction

thankfully I had some weed

idk I feel like LSD makes me the most able to act in public, although that is somewhat of an oxymoron
 
everyone's different, im not saying you can't enjoy it

and usually I can convince myself of anything including that I am enjoying a drug but 25I was the first one I encountered where I just couldn't either time
 
I'll have to agree that 25i is just really weird, though that doesn't mean you can't have a fun time on it. Walking around in the city with friends was pretty good
 
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