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There is no such thing as medical marijuana

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TheeAaron

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Marijuana is marijuana. It became 'medical' when people started fighting for the legalization.
Pot isnt any different then it used to be. I love pot just as much as any other
Smoker out there but I personally think the whole medical thing is lame. Does anyone agree
With me at all?
And watch, some of you are gonna come at me and say, well hey it really helps people, you know
People who have cancer and people who can't eat and people that have pain.
And you know what, thats damn true and its a beautiful thing and a wonder of the world, however
Pot has always helped those people. Making it legal and giving it the name medical marijuana did
Nothing but make people wanna get pot for the wrong reasons (diagnosis) and will probably
Make things harder for everyone down the road. But guess what? If it was made illegal again,
You.know what that would do? ...nothing
 
marijuana has always been a medicine, whether its illegal or not. I don't really get your point? most the people who use medical marijuana do have legitimate reasons, while some people cheat the system. who cares if they cheat the system though? it's just marijuana.. how does medical marijuana make it harder for people down the road? if anything the medical marijuana movement has made it more likely to be legalized because people see the benefit of this plant/medicine/drug. that's just my opinion though and you are entitled to yours.
 
[baked]Time? What is time? There is no such thing as time, dude....

And don't even get me started on currency... what is currency? Who even... like... deems this currency viable? Money has no value...[/baked]

See, everything can be seen in a different light if you really want to. I think the MMJ idea is a beautiful one, even if it is overprescribed and overused. Growing up in Los Angeles, most of the teenage drug users here are stoners, that occasionally use Adderall, Xanax, and Vicodin, and MDMA/LSD/shrooms... maybe a bit of cocaine here and there, but this is not as common.

On the east coast, the weed is not strong enough to get you truly, truly high. To explain, top-shelf California weed is as strong as hash in other states. So, they turn to Oxycodone, Dilaudid, Heroin, Morphine, Cocaine, research chemicals, etc. to get that "full" high. I've never had a friend who grew up in LA who did anything stronger than Norco or Xanax, but I've met a couple of heroin/cocaine/meth addicts in jail, people from the ghetto that I wouldn't associate with. I've met 5 people who've done cocaine a few times, but that is not common. My brother knows a few people in extended circles who have gotten strung out on Heroin, but that's not as common.

Basically, we have hard drug users here, but most of the teenage users are content with our top quality weed, as it truly gets you ripped. Take away the MMJ they abuse, and they are likely to seek out hard drugs to tickle their fancy.

This is in Los Angeles, the SFV to be exact, where the MMJ scene is the biggest in the country. In other CA cities, like San Diego, San Bernardino, or SF/Bay Area, cocaine and meth use run rampant.

Mods, please don't close this. I believe the abuse of MMJ contributes to a great deal of Harm Reduction in MMJ states by keeping young people who are taking advantage of the MMJ system away from hard drugs. I know that if I never had access to MMJ, I would have tried pharmaceuticals/hard drugs at least once from 17-20, during which I didn't touch anything but top-shelf weed and hash.
 
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Honestly I understand what you are saying. I can't say, take a look at my point of view
Because you would have to be me, however here is an example.
My friend, good friend too. He lives in az, goes to cali for a month or two
And comes back with a marijuana card because his 'shoulder hurt'
But my fathers co worker, who is a saint, has lymph node cancer and
Gets terribly sick from therapy is denied. In my eyes regulating it may
Have done good to some but it has inhumanely teased others and left them without rights or justice.
And one again, honestly. My fathers co worker past away and her last days
Were miserable while my friend is trafficing pot over state lines smoking
And driving obnoxiously and perhaps I say this
Out of emotion. Thats why I am here. To understand things more clear.
The opinion you're entitled to matters to me.
 
Well I am getting used to this site still so I apologize if my wrongfully placed thread had
Bothered you. But thanks for the heads up
 
TheeAaron said:
Honestly I understand what you are saying. I can't say, take a look at my point of view
Because you would have to be me, however here is an example.
My friend, good friend too. He lives in az, goes to cali for a month or two
And comes back with a marijuana card because his 'shoulder hurt'
But my fathers co worker, who is a saint, has lymph node cancer and
Gets terribly sick from therapy is denied. In my eyes regulating it may
Have done good to some but it has inhumanely teased others and left them without rights or justice.
And one again, honestly. My fathers co worker past away and her last days
Were miserable while my friend is trafficing pot over state lines smoking
And driving obnoxiously and perhaps I say this
Out of emotion. Thats why I am here. To understand things more clear.
The opinion you're entitled to matters to me.
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You can't really judge MM to be a "bad" thing bc one gets it & another doesn't. Or bc one is legally usin and another illegally. That's gonna happen with or without MM, or any drug honestly. People will always abuse any "abusable" drug, even if it's not "abusable" and whether it's legally rx'd or not.
TBH, I am not naive & know my children will most likely try some sort of drug. IMO, I'd rather that drug be safe, PURE marijuana than say a Vic or Perc.
I say screw MM, just legalize it for everyone. I mean wtf? It's the safest drug there is! When used correctly & when NOT laced..
 
Your father's co-worker lived in CA and couldn't get an MMJ recommendation for her lymph node cancer? That's impossible. Surely she lived in AZ, in which case I don't understand the premise of your argument. You're angry that your friend can get MMJ easily in CA but your father's co-worker struggled to get it in AZ?

There is plenty of MMJ to go around, let me tell you that. It doesn't matter how many people are abusing it, there will be an endless supply on the dispensaries' shelves, for the stoners and cancer patients alike.
 
See thats where I agree though. If its f
Going to be legalized, it should be all the way and not half assed like
It is now. I just feel like pot usage and laws are being tampered with thus
Making negative and positive impacts on everyones lives. Everyone is workeup about
It. And now I am too because it should have been left alone or fully legalized.
People who need it and are denied and discouraged to ever do it legally or not and
People who just love/like it can go fall down a flight of stairs and beg for it.
Think about the people who claim that there is something wrong with them when
There really isnt. Eventually some of them start believing it. Thats when everyone
Starts getting screwed up
 
She lived in az. Where it is also legal， but only if doctors really REALLY think
You need it. Apparently cancer isnt a good enough reason
 
TheeAaron said:
She lived in az. Where it is also legal， but only if doctors really REALLY think
You need it. Apparently cancer isnt a good enough reason
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What could be a better reason than cancer?
Color me confused, but I can't grasp how she couldn't have it with cancer. I'm sure she had strong pain meds, correct?
People who just love/like it can go fall down a flight of stairs and beg for it.
Think about the people who
claim that there is something
wrong with them when There really isnt.
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That's gonna happen with or without MM. People fake shit all the time for benzos, opiates, ADHD meds, etc..
 
Its ashame people can ruin things like so for others. I am not
Really sure if she had pain meds although im sure she had something.
Az is known for its cancer treatment centers, they always believin
Alternate solutions that don't really prove to help or work. I don't knofor sure
But it sees like all lies
 
You make no sense, Aaron. Come to California and you'll see what I'm talking about; it's not as if people with MMJ recommendations are even registered with the State, only those with State issued "cards" are. People faking conditions aren't going to make it less likely for those who actually need it to obtain it. A MMJ recommendation, what most people refer to a "card," is nothing more than an informal document from your physician to you that states that they recommend the use of cannabis.

You are either just confused, projecting your anger onto recreational users due to your father's coworker's inability to obtain MMJ, or just whining for reasons that elude me. You live in AZ, if you don't like your situation you can either move to CA or you can get off your high horse and stop judging MMJ patients who are not "worthy enough" in your eyes.

I am 22 years old, yet deal with severe injuries sustained in the last few years that result in moderate amounts of pain, that are slowly beginning to require pain relievers to be able to have full mobility. I've made the mistake of judging CPP patients in the past, ones who I didn't think needed opiates to deal with pain, but everyone has their personal, subjective worsts. If someone is suffering and has a hindered quality of life, they should be entitled to relief from that suffering.

Sure, I might not have cancer or a terminal disease that you or the state of AZ would deem worthy of MMJ, but the medical board of AZ would definitely agree that my documented injuries and pain warrant narcotic painkillers. So, what's the difference? If stimulants and opioids can be handed out to those who truly need them and are not faking their conditions, with full support from the state medical board, why shouldn't MMJ?
 
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TheeAaron said:
Marijuana is marijuana. It became 'medical' when people started fighting for the legalization.
Pot isnt any different then it used to be. I love pot just as much as any other
Smoker out there but I personally think the whole medical thing is lame. Does anyone agree
With me at all?
And watch, some of you are gonna come at me and say, well hey it really helps people, you know
People who have cancer and people who can't eat and people that have pain.
And you know what, thats damn true and its a beautiful thing and a wonder of the world, however
Pot has always helped those people. Making it legal and giving it the name medical marijuana did
Nothing but make people wanna get pot for the wrong reasons (diagnosis) and will probably
Make things harder for everyone down the road. But guess what? If it was made illegal again,
You.know what that would do? ...nothing
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Okayyy....This thread is gotton a bit off the original topic, and honestly leaning too much on the side of legality discussion for Cannabis.

But in this original post you didnt understand the difference between "medical" MJ and other MJ. I mean there isnt a HUGE difference, but there is one. Thats the regulation of the strains and such with Medical MJ. Medical MJ is legally grown and distributed, and because of that the strains are grown and bred and taken care of really well. Many vendors test the buds to get read outs on the THC levels and so you know EXACTLY what your getting. Thats something that comes with the territory of it being legal and there for able to regulate.

It sounds like your real beef is the idea of it being medical.

How ever I am going to have to close this thread and remind folks that We are not allowed to discuss the lows of Cannabis because it is not in the nature of Harm reduction. Please Refer to the CD guidelines.
 
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