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Theory: Mexican Cartel and Dutch RC Lab Alliance and European Market

Quasimoto said:
The cartels likely have no interest in this. Precursors and drugs are effectively all legal in Mexico. They have their own labs in Mexico to create precursors, and/or just get them from China. You can literally go to Mexico and buy a 55 gallon drum of acetic anhydride and nobody will ask any questions (but the DEA will certainly put you on a list).

The USA is the only cash cow they will ever need. They don't need new customers. I don't see why they would logically want to go international.

The cartels do not ally with anyone. They do their entire operation "in house", from precursors to final packaging. They don't need anyone else involved, they don't want anyone else involved.

Also, the cartels have never been involved in RC drugs. They only produce 5 drugs. Fentanyl, heroin, cocaine, meth, and weed. That's it. That's all they make.
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I bring to you the least happy I told you so of my life's recent memory


This is how the Cartel intends to make good on its vow to end fentanyl production on their home field. With no destination country reported this means a much bigger risk or cross contaminated meth with potentially lethal fentanyl doses in Canada, the US West Coast, or Australia.

The media leaves out the cartel's involvement but somehow they managed to get a militas worth of small arms, 50cal machine gun, over half a ton of crystal and a quarter ton of fetty. Cartel is either just selling the precursors or outsourcing lab supervisors like they do in Europe

I think they've simply got such a surplus in meth production that splitting some take home pay to have a few labs closer two two huge drug markets isn't a big risk factor for them
 
Methamphetanonymous said:
As I've been reading up on trends relating to the insanely accelerated growth of methamphetamine manufacturing and trafficking globally, I noticed an interesting angle I thought may be interesting to consider. Some sources below, happy to offer more I have a folder full of them





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Bizar to see, Meth- addicts.
In a beatiful landscape, a bit corpulous. Which is not the stereotypical US speedfreak.
Or Dutch speudo-freak, till where my personal experience ends there was only recemic Amphetamine.
The people that did get addicted to that kinda turned in Zombie s. Physical and mental.

And Lenka seems nice, not spun and is prime caregiver of her Mom.

No resemblence with the one Aphetamin abuser i knew.
You can only shoot, not smoke it, and he was blind eyed, almost.
Had someone inject it for him and felt it was not a ROA he d use again,
unlike Heroin for which he wished he had better eyes.

But his eyes probably where part of the fact he is still alive,
couldn t find a vain even if he wanted. And no Meth att was around as i am he sure would liked it.

And would devasted him even more. Might this hit EU again as in the early 70-ties.
When it was available, but as oral pharmaceutical pills. It was allready a problem.

Legalisation, only solution. To prevent total destruction, Marley would say probably.

Good documentry, nice open end. Anyone noticed the strenght off the Moped s they have there.
Amazing nature and moped s, troubled people. It global, something we all share.
 
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Well the EMCU (formally EMCDDA) make no mention of if. I'm not saying it's impossible but I can't help thinking that it's something they would consider to be a serious issue and to make it known that the issue existed.
 
Quasimoto said:
The cartels likely have no interest in this. Precursors and drugs are effectively all legal in Mexico. They have their own labs in Mexico to create precursors, and/or just get them from China. You can literally go to Mexico and buy a 55 gallon drum of acetic anhydride and nobody will ask any questions (but the DEA will certainly put you on a list).

The USA is the only cash cow they will ever need. They don't need new customers. I don't see why they would logically want to go international.

The cartels do not ally with anyone. They do their entire operation "in house", from precursors to final packaging. They don't need anyone else involved, they don't want anyone else involved.

Also, the cartels have never been involved in RC drugs. They only produce 5 drugs. Fentanyl, heroin, cocaine, meth, and weed. That's it. That's all they make.
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Actually, you kind of jogged my memory to a video I was watching about the drug situation developing in Europe where they believe the same techniques to make meth in Mexico are beginning to pop up in Europe, and also there is the fact that Mexican street gang presence is starting to be noticed in Europe as well according to something I read not too long ago. Honestly, thanks for kind of reminding me because without your comment I would have thought the same thing as you in a strange paradoxical way lmao.... Now to just find the one out of dozens of related videos I watched... Brb lol
 
Quasimoto said:
From the two I glossed over, one says the cartels attempted to import meth into EU.

The other says the small Czech labs hired a couple of Mexican and Latin Americans chemists to come teach them how to scale up their operation, but says nothing about them being cartel members. I think it would be speculative to extrapolate that into some Dutch-Mexican drug alliance, which is what LE tends to write. It's actually similar to a scene from Breaking Bad, lol.

I wouldn't doubt there is some level of connection, but I really don't think the cartels are making major moves or partnerships over there. Moving weight, sure.



Competition, maybe. But completely cut them out of AUS market? That I highly doubt. I haven't seen any reports of black tar heroin in AUS, which is the type of heroin the cartels typically make. I have never seen them produce anything other than black tar... and the Aussies would certainly not enjoy black tar over their tasty SE Asian heroin.



Source?
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Cartels imported a big quantities high quality meth in Spain forsure.....involved in Europe market also i guess....usually where the war is-the drugs are-well lot of wars around
 
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Methamphetanonymous said:
As I've been reading up on trends relating to the insanely accelerated growth of methamphetamine manufacturing and trafficking globally, I noticed an interesting angle I thought may be interesting to consider. Some sources below, happy to offer more I have a folder full of them


The Mexican Cartels have been partnering with research chemical labs in the Netherlands and Germany as well as small low scale pseudoephedrine meth labs in the Czech Republic for two years, and replacing them with consolidated superlabs creating resolved P2P meth. A cheaper product to synthesize than research chemical stimulants, far more potent meaning smaller shipments to smuggle, and much longer lasting with an RoA option similar to the needle for people afraid of the needle. Since late this summer, the Cartel have partnered with Canada to route shipments to Australia, and recently Spain as well as targeting smaller European ports. Organized crime groups in the UK appear to be recieving shipments.

I suspect/fear this partnership is an attempt to replicate the US strategy in forcing a fentanyl and meth market from the supply side. The timing of so many beloved Netherlands research chemical stimulants like 3MMC and 4MMC seemed strange, but now massive meth shipments are being siezed in the UK and Europe where no sizable market exists for it. With the Dutch labs involved, they can just force it and gain an operation which is:

More consolidated into fewer but higher output labs- smaller quantity of drugs needed to smuggle into ports- organized export/import teams- monopoly of another continent- capability to produce enough product to monopolize highly desired markets with multiple options for smuggling routes- infrastructure in place to bring fetty to Europe

Like so:

Step 1. The Dutch bring back beloved and fiendishly addictive research chemicals 3MMC, 4MMC etc and flood the market along with meth. Maybe MDMA too.

Step 2. Consolidate large number of small research chemical labs into small number of insane output industrial scale P2P superlabs. Pull synthetic stimulants and MDMA off European market except small batches and jack the price. Make metric tons of meth cheaply, tank the price

Step 3. Use Cartel/Dutch/German/UK gang members as boots on the ground marketing dealers to push addicted stim users to meth: "cheaper, longer lasting, crystal lattice means always at least 70% unlike dirty amphetamine sulfate"

Step 4. Convert UK network ot dummy grow houses into recrystallization labs. Begin dissolving meth freebase in solvents to smuggle in as liquid which isn't detected by drug dogs, and is more versatile to get in. Meth has an addicted market now, appealing to cost potency and addiction-substitute

Step 5. Use better and established smuggling techniques and united Dutch, Canadian, Czech, Mexican, Spanish, and UK network to corner out the expanding East Asian and Middle Eastern syndicates from establishing a market in Europe

Step 6. United North American/Europe syndicates excess production of resolved P2P meth exported to high street value markets like Japan Australia, and New Zealand

Step 7. Begin attempt to introduce fentanyl





insightcrime.org

Super Labs and Master Chefs: The Changing Face of Europe's Drug Trade

Cocaine processing on European soil, a Mexican-Dutch synthetic drug alliance, and the establishment of super-labs in Europe's cocaine trade.
insightcrime.org insightcrime.org

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You have an idea how the Cartels work? I feel not.
 
Let me be clear here, El Mayo is sitting in Jail waiting for the DEA to lock his ass up for the rest of his life & his son is in a deep War with Los Chapitos so nothing will move till the Turf War is over with these two.

CJNG are there with their eye on any land that may be left over so they can then make a move closer to EL Paso & nothing will move to Europe without the blessing of EL Mencho or heads will roll 100%

IF any Meth does turn up in Europe from Mexico I CAN'T WAIT to see some real Mexican Sicario on our turf, all those London "Bad Men" will be cut up in to pieces with a Chainsaw or melted in tubs of Acid. Los Caballeros Templarios (Knights Templar Cartel) were fucking INSANE with the stuff they did to people, then CJNG came along & had to be 100,000% more Brutal, fancy having to eat your victims? I sure don't & I am not eager to be melted in acid too may I add.

Someone I know who spent 2 months last year living with a Member of The Mexican Mafia Cartel put me in contact with the person she was writing about for her 2nd book, he asked me how much a Pound of Meth cost in the UK & was shocked we didn't really have it over here, he told me the wholesale price he had to pay per Pound but I'll not post it. He spoke to some others in his Gang who were more higher up than he was & the reply was they had NO DESIRE to send Meth to the UK or Europe when the USA was close enough & was much larger, they made enough cash from Meth crossing over from Mexico to the USA without having to worry about shipping it half way around the world.

Go figure ;)
 
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Las leyes narcos, hay que obedecer
El brujo da consejos, óiganme pendejos
Con güeros - si
Con negros - no
Marihuana - si
El polvo - no
Cortado - si
Barato - no
Mordidas - si
La migra - no
Con güeros - si
Con negros - no
Marihuana - si
El polvo - no
 
What’s your subreddit? I be on there ,
Methamphetanonymous said:
Can anyone help me get a real harm reduction project off the ground? It has good bones but I can't create this concept alone it can be better.



When I first began using illicit methamphetamine in 2023 I was shocked to find a community shattered in divide over even the most basic of facts surrounding the drug.



The Global catastrophe known as The War on Drugs has from inception inherently been a war against education; inherently being an act of violence against all of society not just the users and their loved ones. The mainstream entertainment media, (bearing only rarely a shade of responsible journalism anymore) at the encouragement of law enforcement organizations and political interests has staged a decades long propaganda operation that has skewed even semi-reputable or good intentioned informational hubs into falsehood and mythology.



In a landscape of powerful stimulants, novel research chemicals, and law enforcement groups, pharmaceutical monopolies, and under funded oversight groups all operating with extra judicial impunity, having the wrong information can kill. It can kill more than any molecule sold in a CVS or in a trap house, and is likely the masked murderer hiding behind thousands of accidental deaths or lives and families left worse than dead.



It is my life mission, and the mission of so many other wonderful people to arm and shield the public with the informational weaponry to fight the battles they may encounter from licit or illicit substances on honest and fair terms. Knowledge alone may not end all harm caused by humanities relationship with mind altering drugs. But it's a necessary step in that direction.



Our sidebar is empty as of October 2024. As curious minds post questions about these drugs, and moonlighting researchers answer them with sources they gather the sidebar will grow.



Individuals interested in writing research paper length guides or even simple paragraphs on any topic that informs on amphetamines and their use are desperately needed, and will breath even greater life into the database.



As our subreddit grows, so will our consolidated bank vault of knowledge. Help us get there, it's the work of a community.



Thank you.
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Methamphetanonymous said:
Can anyone help me get a real harm reduction project off the ground? It has good bones but I can't create this concept alone it can be better.



When I first began using illicit methamphetamine in 2023 I was shocked to find a community shattered in divide over even the most basic of facts surrounding the drug.



The Global catastrophe known as The War on Drugs has from inception inherently been a war against education; inherently being an act of violence against all of society not just the users and their loved ones. The mainstream entertainment media, (bearing only rarely a shade of responsible journalism anymore) at the encouragement of law enforcement organizations and political interests has staged a decades long propaganda operation that has skewed even semi-reputable or good intentioned informational hubs into falsehood and mythology.



In a landscape of powerful stimulants, novel research chemicals, and law enforcement groups, pharmaceutical monopolies, and under funded oversight groups all operating with extra judicial impunity, having the wrong information can kill. It can kill more than any molecule sold in a CVS or in a trap house, and is likely the masked murderer hiding behind thousands of accidental deaths or lives and families left worse than dead.



It is my life mission, and the mission of so many other wonderful people to arm and shield the public with the informational weaponry to fight the battles they may encounter from licit or illicit substances on honest and fair terms. Knowledge alone may not end all harm caused by humanities relationship with mind altering drugs. But it's a necessary step in that direction.



Our sidebar is empty as of October 2024. As curious minds post questions about these drugs, and moonlighting researchers answer them with sources they gather the sidebar will grow.



Individuals interested in writing research paper length guides or even simple paragraphs on any topic that informs on amphetamines and their use are desperately needed, and will breath even greater life into the database.



As our subreddit grows, so will our consolidated bank vault of knowledge. Help us get there, it's the work of a community.



Thank you.
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I read your other post , obviously knowledgeable, what’s your subreddit name ? I be on there , linked in with the 🧊 subs , posting my crack backs and stuff . Not much else to learn there . Don’t mind learning
 
Shinji Ikari said:
It looks like your subreddit has been banned. Just a mistake perhaps, I did have a quick look this morning when it was still up and it didn't appear to breaking any rules. Anyway...

There's no shortage of harm reduction information available online. I don't think the issue is that information on methamphetamine and safe use isn't available, more likely is that the users you've encountered just don't care. Reddit does have quite a young userbase and harm reduction often isn't at the top of everyone's agenda. It's just the nature of that site. There's plenty of great trustworthy info out there though without having to look too far.

You've got erowid which is a great hub to start with because it can link you to trip reports, harm reduction info, news and media etc. For technical information on dosing and effects you've got the psychonaut wiki which is all referenced. If you're looking for academic articles a search on pubmed brings up 1700 results for methamphetamine, and then of course there's here on bluelight where users have been exchanging information and experiences back and forth for 25 years at this point.

I hope this helps. Good luck with your project!
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Just found this forum today . Looks good 👍 I been on drug forum too , I find conflicting info, but mostly difficult to discern myself . Don’t get no help in my neighborhood. Shit I know more than my guy lol they asked why you keep calling it crack back ? I’m like what ? U didn’t know what that shit is ? as long as it’s clear /white don’t turn brown .. lol
 
Methamphetanonymous said:
I bring to you the least happy I told you so of my life's recent memory


This is how the Cartel intends to make good on its vow to end fentanyl production on their home field. With no destination country reported this means a much bigger risk or cross contaminated meth with potentially lethal fentanyl doses in Canada, the US West Coast, or Australia.

The media leaves out the cartel's involvement but somehow they managed to get a militas worth of small arms, 50cal machine gun, over half a ton of crystal and a quarter ton of fetty. Cartel is either just selling the precursors or outsourcing lab supervisors like they do in Europe

I think they've simply got such a surplus in meth production that splitting some take home pay to have a few labs closer two two huge drug markets isn't a big risk factor for them
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That’s interesting cause I had to give a urine sample for my anti depressants last month, I don’t fuxk wit dope . But popped for a little bit of Fetty , and obviously meth was positive . My guy don’t know how to recrystalize the shit wit Fetty. But they do . Shit hasn’t been right either the last months imo
 


FFS!!!!!

I swear to God the more I see about this Chem Sex & Gays who do Meth if I ever went to go score any Meth I'd sure want at the VERY LEAST a Model 64 Smith & Wesson .38 Special in my pocket or a proper Japanese Katana down the jean leg.
 
Nas47 said:
Cartels imported a big quantities high quality meth in Spain forsure.....involved in Europe market also i guess....usually where the war is-the drugs are-well lot of wars around
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So not only Drugs won the war on them, they also are used during wars.
Between humans, glad we lost that war on Drugs.
Inna war i wanna have the option anytime to get drugged.

Seems a fair trade.
 
The war on drugs here is in full force....what to tell...a youngsters this days....well most of them are extremely flat minded.They don't care what they takin'..just to be out of their heads...make very dangerous combos...mixin' everythin' in big quantities.....well-this got opposite reaction amongst the parents,authorities...etc.as to youngsters here-..lack of desire to learn,lack of direction....follow the mob,fightin' for likes on social platforms...yes-the situation is totally fucked-here......and u are right-at war consumption of different substances is high
 
Methamphetanonymous said:
As I've been reading up on trends relating to the insanely accelerated growth of methamphetamine manufacturing and trafficking globally, I noticed an interesting angle I thought may be interesting to consider. Some sources below, happy to offer more I have a folder full of them


The Mexican Cartels have been partnering with research chemical labs in the Netherlands and Germany as well as small low scale pseudoephedrine meth labs in the Czech Republic for two years, and replacing them with consolidated superlabs creating resolved P2P meth. A cheaper product to synthesize than research chemical stimulants, far more potent meaning smaller shipments to smuggle, and much longer lasting with an RoA option similar to the needle for people afraid of the needle. Since late this summer, the Cartel have partnered with Canada to route shipments to Australia, and recently Spain as well as targeting smaller European ports. Organized crime groups in the UK appear to be recieving shipments.

I suspect/fear this partnership is an attempt to replicate the US strategy in forcing a fentanyl and meth market from the supply side. The timing of so many beloved Netherlands research chemical stimulants like 3MMC and 4MMC seemed strange, but now massive meth shipments are being siezed in the UK and Europe where no sizable market exists for it. With the Dutch labs involved, they can just force it and gain an operation which is:

More consolidated into fewer but higher output labs- smaller quantity of drugs needed to smuggle into ports- organized export/import teams- monopoly of another continent- capability to produce enough product to monopolize highly desired markets with multiple options for smuggling routes- infrastructure in place to bring fetty to Europe

Like so:

Step 1. The Dutch bring back beloved and fiendishly addictive research chemicals 3MMC, 4MMC etc and flood the market along with meth. Maybe MDMA too.

Step 2. Consolidate large number of small research chemical labs into small number of insane output industrial scale P2P superlabs. Pull synthetic stimulants and MDMA off European market except small batches and jack the price. Make metric tons of meth cheaply, tank the price

Step 3. Use Cartel/Dutch/German/UK gang members as boots on the ground marketing dealers to push addicted stim users to meth: "cheaper, longer lasting, crystal lattice means always at least 70% unlike dirty amphetamine sulfate"

Step 4. Convert UK network ot dummy grow houses into recrystallization labs. Begin dissolving meth freebase in solvents to smuggle in as liquid which isn't detected by drug dogs, and is more versatile to get in. Meth has an addicted market now, appealing to cost potency and addiction-substitute

Step 5. Use better and established smuggling techniques and united Dutch, Canadian, Czech, Mexican, Spanish, and UK network to corner out the expanding East Asian and Middle Eastern syndicates from establishing a market in Europe

Step 6. United North American/Europe syndicates excess production of resolved P2P meth exported to high street value markets like Japan Australia, and New Zealand

Step 7. Begin attempt to introduce fentanyl





insightcrime.org

Super Labs and Master Chefs: The Changing Face of Europe's Drug Trade

Cocaine processing on European soil, a Mexican-Dutch synthetic drug alliance, and the establishment of super-labs in Europe's cocaine trade.
insightcrime.org insightcrime.org

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Again, I wish to commend your writing, as well as your use of evidence based assertions. This from someone who had no interest in meth or any stim. Nice job.
 
Nas47 said:
The war on drugs here is in full force....what to tell...a youngsters this days....well most of them are extremely flat minded.They don't care what they takin'..just to be out of their heads...make very dangerous combos...mixin' everythin' in big quantities.....well-this got opposite reaction amongst the parents,authorities...etc.as to youngsters here-..lack of desire to learn,lack of direction....follow the mob,fightin' for likes on social platforms...yes-the situation is totally fucked-here......and u are right-at war consumption of different substances is high
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Took that from your text, but history leans it always been so.
The drugs got better but remembering the 'Hashasjien s',
they used what they got.

We also are/ were in a war on drugs. Got a new gouvernement.
Exit asshole that ruled 12 years. But the youth, do they even know.
Harm reduction/ Bluelight, i wonder. They all into 3-MMC and Booze.

Health-care certainly not of any help. "There is a bathroom on the right"
someone posted, Fits here kinda. [There is a bad moon rising]



As dedication to @Mr. Krinkle might he like boobs too.
i do, this version from the Vocal 'Vulcan' Academy.
[edit female unfriendly personal line removed]



Self love at his best, posting late and discovering next day.
She is alright ! So 6 million views no surprise, 12 million eyes.
Looking at you singing.
 
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What i don t get about Methedrine, which was popular when it was OTC.
To get in a neighbouring country, old speed freaks ramble about it.
Or get a dr. prescription as it once was a med here too.

Most claiming it as king of stims, one stigmatised it as drug of the Devil.
Became a Heroin junk, and kicked the habit, still walks around.
While the last speedfreaks are dying out [dl-Amphetamine/ IV-ers].

They tried re-introducing Meth-Amphetamine here,
as replacement for speed.
But the new/ younger generation users didn t like it,
so it never took off.
The youth today don t even take Speed, Coke or MDMA.
Its 3-MMC and Booze they want ? And a spliff.

So taking away Speed would def promote Meth,
but only for the few Speed Freaks.
Which is a little market in NL.

Edit: 3-MMC is a illegal substance for a while.
They even call it 'Miauw' without knowing,
where the name came from. Mephedrone s nick name. Who cares,
The only RC i declined, had a big ⚠️ just say no sign.

in a few months they taking 2-MMC. and then 1-MMC.
To continue with 0-MMC and then down to -1-MMC :rolleyes:
[5-MMC sounds maketable too]
 
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