The Yankees are coming!!...and they're bringing Barbie with 'em!!

[atomica]

i was showing asymmetry this thread last night, he got a bit upset, being an american n all... i think you guys are being pretty harsh on their scene. apart from the commercialization, which is woven into all of the american culture, what's wrong w/ it? the music's great, the dancing's really great, from what i've seen the drugs are great...
asym i know has been to awesome parties. incredible music. ambient/experimental parties which you really dont get here (the cloudwatch parties)...underground outlaw parties.. he has seen/heard *so* many incredible artists it makes me so jealous i could puke, and had intelligent, friendly, interesting raver friends up and down the east coast.
i dont mean to speak for him but he cant get net access at work and we've got no pc at home for now.
anyways, i dont think we are in a position judge the us scene, nor should we concentrate on the differences. there are more similarities than differences surely, and "rave" and all it encompasses is an ever-changing thing. we seem to be getting caught up in simplified generalizations. viva la difference, no?

having said all that, the barbie is some funny shit. thats just sad, and i think any american raver would think so too.
..also, the *only* time i ever saw some of 90210, it was about them going to a rave. this was way back near when it first started. lucky me, eh?

smilez ppl

 

[miss apple]

You see, atomica, that's the thing. The music isn't great. It's cheesy and commercial.

candyflip...I've tried to show them the way. They just wave glowsticks in my face lol

(I *still* don't get the 'blowing up' thing. Waving glowsticks in my face does nothing for me but get annoying!)
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[ghetts]

I still don't buy the rave/warehouse thing starting in the US- according to most 'credible' (with a lower case 'c', reservedly) sources (reynolds 1998 savage 1997 etc, both american authors)this was a british thing, brought back to the states via NY etc stripped of its 'blackness'.
But all this 'we're so much more sophisicated than the USA' thing is retarded. Americans from soul, funk and disco through to chicago house and detroit techno started this shit and however it has been repackaged since then still doesn't change that. So what if most of the nation that came up with it doesn't get it- they never got disco unless you call john travolta in porno suits 'getting it'. what makes you think that most of them will 'get it' today?
Are we so insecure that we need to constantly parade how 'superior' we are??!?
my 0.02c
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the point of this rant being who cares? just enjoy yourselves!!!!

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[atomica]

miss apple, i guess it depends on which parties you go to, and what you call "cheezy and commercial"
would you call autechre, spacetime continuum, ltj bukem cheezy and commercial? bukem maybe a bit cuz he's well known. asym's seen all of them (bukem like 3 times in the usa) and a whole tonne more of great stuff. his taste in music can be pretty diverse and not at all what i'd call cheezy and he found plenty to keep him happy. sure some of the stuff there is, but it depends what you like. i like happy hardcore its cheezy as hell and thats why i like it. what about ppl like jeff mills etc that melbourne goes mad for?
it really depends on what you like, and what you consider cheezy or commercial. and then we are treading on shaky ground cuz its all so subjective. why is cheezy bad? why cant the americans like it? so many ppl here are going mental waiting for the likes of oakenfold. thats cheezy and commercial and we love it! i saw oakenfold and roni size at a party in the usa. that is my memory of the one big party i went to there & it was fantastic.
when it comes to commercialism we're almost as bad (or getting there).. two tribes on tv.. agent mad is owned by this multi-million dollar enterprise etc. etc. the usa has it's small parties just as we do...
*shrug* what the hell? they're happy. we're happy. everyone's happy. yeah.
smilez! =)

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[cherub]

Miss apples,,,,, open american here,,, i dont't have glowsticks,,, and when i pick them up i think they are such funny things,, reminds me of childhood parades hehe shhhh nahhh but actually am excited to talk to you,,,,, in like 9 days, about australia, i think i will learn so much from you! i can not wait!
about the debate,, don't ask me, cause I would probably stick australians,,, yes i was born here yes i love my bluelighters here but also,,,,, i learned through the many people i have met from other countries,, i admit MOST are,,,
back ass( arse) people and seem to think that we are the only ones out there that know what anything not just raves, parties or such,,, but anything,,,, even our language is about!
Media here displays us bad elsewhere and vise versa,, and plur,,, welll i was plur before i knew what it meant,,,
I don't agree with barbie going rave,, though yes it was funny!
I can say what it is like over there in australia,, but i would sure like to see it sometime!
*mwah* to you all
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[candyflip]

But are we "constantly parading how superior we are", yossarian?...isn't the reality that we have suffered from cultural inferiority forever?
I would argue this is one of the few times that we actually LEAD the USA in a fashion...can't we have a little fun at their expense, just this one time?
It may be the last?....

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[ghetts]

candyflip- I agree; when I referred to 'constantly parading’ yada yada I meant within the context of similar debates in this forum, and yes I reckon this could stem from our supposed ‘cultural inferiority’ complex. How often do we sneer at the US welfare or system or their drug policy? (‘we are so much more progressive blah blah ignorant upthemselves wan…..’)
I’ve got no problems in having fun at the expense of anyone let alone the yanks

… But the way we’re having this fun (by paying out progressive cheese or whatever) simply reinforces our position of cultural ‘inferiority’ which I think sux.
One look at what’s in store for the Olympic closing ceremony should rest any fears that we don’t rock. *huh?*

I’ve got a feeling I’ll look at this and wonder why I wrote it??!??

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[Lilly]

doooooods take some chiil pills

 

[candyflip]

Oh dear, poor Boikah, didn't get laid again last night, huh?...
Anything else you wanna' vent before we return to laughing at the Yanks again?..
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[candyflip]

You vented, admitting that you could not be bothered reading any of the above posts and were only interested in expressing your opinion...that's fine....I was simply jabbing you for your rather anger-full post is all.
The 'laid' comment was a joke (and rather obvious I thought)...that's what the smiley faces at the top of the post are for..
Sorry if I caused offense. I was trying to draw out of you why you felt like posting such (seemingly) angry words?
I don't understand the 'your little scene' comment because surely it's 'your' scene as well that we're talking about here?
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[Mr. Sticky]

The real reason apples has turned on her fellow Aussies: I introduced her to fabric softening dryer sheets. She'll never be the same again.

BTW, apples...thanks for fighting the good fight in my absence. The cultural superiority angle is getting old...on both sides.

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[BigTrancer]

I think that if this whole discussion hasn't run out of steam yet, and is going to attract any more responses, I'll shift it over to the Rave Culture Board, because it's got bugger all relevance here.
BigTrancer

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[Elliven]

I have never had the good fortune to attend any sort of rave in the US. But in my opinion it stands to reason that in a country with that many people there would at least as much, most likely more, innovation in the music scene.
I too believe the original warehouse/lock in parties were US gigs. I have had a bit of a laugh at us Australians copping an attitude because our scene is so much less "comercial" Ummm, Gatecrasher? There were ads on the tv in prime time for that
"underground rave" We sure have got the least commercial scene...
I know we also have less commercial events, thats not the point. As we have commercial and non-commercial events, no doubt the US would have a wider/more extreme spectrum on both sides. ie "raves" more commercial than gatecrasher, and parties that have no advertising, and less popular music.
It amazes me that anyone in Australia could mock the US for being less "real" the only thing I would consider mocking them for is their so called "cheese" How the hell can cheese be that orange colour naturally? It just aint right...

Man that is the second time in as many posts that I have started the new page... Woo!
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