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Opioids The worst part of opiate w/d for me seems under reported

Bomb319

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It's not so much the physical symptoms or the cravings that get me although both can be very bad of course. What I'm talking about is the psychological component of acute withdrawal. This is how it always goes for me. Once full blown wd has begun, I feel separated from the entire world as if there is a dense fog in my brain. It's like in the morning when you're still in bed, and you're partly still sleeping but aware of what's going in around you. That feeling is constant and very ugly. It just feels like something is wrong inside you, and normal things or people you look upon seem dissociated and I always think along the lines of how can these people be up and alert, with enough energy to be carrying out their day. I feel like I'm slowly waking up from a long sleep and my senses are coping with facing a new overload.

This is accompanied by intense depression of course, but here is one thing I always experience that I've never heard anyone else mention: SMELL. Once I reach the one day mark of last usage, I have a highly apparent and intense increase in my sense of smell. Everything seems almost overpowering. It's hard to describe, but even fresh air, outside smells or cigarette smoke seem magnified a hundred fold, almost to an overwhelming degree, and progress through the wd. It's strange but such a strong change in everyday perception triggers strong psychological reactions and increase in other wd symptoms. Does anyone else have any idea what I mean?
 
Bomb319 said:
It's not so much the physical symptoms or the cravings that get me although both can be very bad of course. What I'm talking about is the psychological component of acute withdrawal. This is how it always goes for me. Once full blown wd has begun, I feel separated from the entire world as if there is a dense fog in my brain. It's like in the morning when you're still in bed, and you're partly still sleeping but aware of what's going in around you. That feeling is constant and very ugly. It just feels like something is wrong inside you, and normal things or people you look upon seem dissociated and I always think along the lines of how can these people be up and alert, with enough energy to be carrying out their day. I feel like I'm slowly waking up from a long sleep and my senses are coping with facing a new overload.

This is accompanied by intense depression of course, but here is one thing I always experience that I've never heard anyone else mention: SMELL. Once I reach the one day mark of last usage, I have a highly apparent and intense increase in my sense of smell. Everything seems almost overpowering. It's hard to describe, but even fresh air, outside smells or cigarette smoke seem magnified a hundred fold, almost to an overwhelming degree, and progress through the wd. It's strange but such a strong change in everyday perception triggers strong psychological reactions and increase in other wd symptoms. Does anyone else have any idea what I mean?
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Check these out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derealization

I think that might be what you are feeling, kinda like everything is a bit of a dream or like you are high on something always and don't feel quite right. It will pass in time, and in the meanwhile it is best to just ignore it and go about your daily routines.

Also, avoid caffeine and other stims like the plague, I find they make it much worse if you are experiencing it.

I used to get it if I smoked weed, like for weeks after I'd feel still "kinda high" or disconnected from everything else, exactly like the symptoms described in those articles, and I would always focus on it and think I was going to be stuck forever. In reality, it was mostly focusing on it and worrying about it that made it noticeable, so I learned to ignore it and just continue along how I usually would.

Then I learned, it is as easy as just never paying attention to it, not worrying about it, excersizing, keeping busy, and before you know it, you are back to your normal self. It is just a part of withdrawal I'm afraid, I actually find I get it from tons of drugs. after MDMA, after weed,(even though mdma and weed are only minor psychadelic drugs imo as far as tripping goes, I feel like even they can get to trippy for me sometimes. That is why I'm never ever doing shrooms or lsd or K, fuck I once dosed only 150mgs of DXM and felt like I was tripping for 2 days lol, I just can't handle psychs, they ain't my thang) caffeine even gives it to me, opiate withdrawal as well for sure, and the day/days after benzos or especially if you are phsyically addicted to benzos, you will get the worst depersonalization/derealization symptoms for months from the PAWS of benzos when you quit (unless you follow a strict taper)

But, you will always get back to your normal self. All it takes is actually stopping all drugs, eating healthy, excersizing, and keeping busy and bam, in a flash you feel great again.
 
I have exactly the same issues, thank you for sharing because at least now I know someone understands what I go through. Then just before I get to the point of being in this state, my anxiety goes thru the roof knowing how I will be feeling soon. Its a horrible state of existence, I agree. I would love anyones thought or ideas to make it stop
 
onetwo said:
Ah yes. This is extremely common in abuse of psychedelics and closely related drugs.
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But not limited to them, I think they kinda trigger them or open your eyes to shit that you never noticed before so all of a sudden you always feel like your kinda just a step back watching your life because you are just paying to much attention to it now.

I notice I get that off feel as well when I am regular sick too. Although, I think I just started noticing it really only after I smoked weed for the first time/few times, and then you kinda always notice it randomly again because you just overthink about it, and in reality I think that is what causes it to stick around. Ignore it, don't worry about it, don't stress it, because just know you will BE FINE, and get back to your same old self in no time.
 
For the first 3-4 days, I'm so sick that I can't even get out of bed let alone think about being depressed or feeling removed. That begins to happen to me after the really intense psychical aspects have calmed down.
 
spoiledgrrl said:
I have exactly the same issues, thank you for sharing because at least now I know someone understands what I go through. Then just before I get to the point of being in this state, my anxiety goes thru the roof knowing how I will be feeling soon. Its a horrible state of existence, I agree. I would love anyones thought or ideas to make it stop
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Yeah exactly. The more it happens, the more I dread it to the point where my last dose might as well be a placebo because after its gone and I know there's nothing left, the countdown to hell begins.
 
mr.scagnattie said:
For the first 3-4 days, I'm so sick that I can't even get out of bed let alone think about being depressed or feeling removed. That begins to happen to me after the really intense psychical aspects have calmed down.
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I'm so greatful I've never had any real opiate withdrawals. I experiences some pretty fucking crappy withdrawals symptoms from when I used poppy tea, around 2lbs of seeds a day for a week, which lead to starting to feel shitty 48 hours after my last dose, followed by 4-5 days where I begin so fatigued, climbing stairs completely took all my energy away, all my muscles were sore, I had insomnia and restless legs at night, oh and even the fucking infamous chills, I never have to wear a sweater in my house, but I was cold with 2 or 3 on, blew my mind how bad I felt from such shrot term usage. and in general felt legitimately fucking sick enough I cancelled plans. Thank god I didn't have any bad diahrea (I was taking 2mg immodium a day, maybe that helped?) or the vomitting part, my stomache was iffy and I was a bit nauseous, but non of this pissing outta every hole I've heard from people who quit cold turkey from real addictions where they've used daily for months/years. But I still couldn't believe it that just a week of daily poppy tea use gave me another week of feeling fucking terrible. The last time I even used 2 days in a row, I experiences withdrawals again, although not as bad. I've figured out that I can only use for a single day at a time, to avoid any withdrawals, which is fucking retarded because 2 days shouldn't cause withdrawals but I don't know, I guess since poppy seed tea has so many different fucking akaloids, all with varying half lifes.

Only way to avoid really feeling any withdrawals at all is to use for a single day, and then wait at least 4 more days before using again.

If the withdrawals from 5 days of use have scared me away, I'd probably fucking piss my pants if I ever experienced full blown heroin withdrawal from years of daily use or something lol. It must be 100000000x worse than what I experienced.
 
PNPGUYNY said:
hey mr.scagnattie NY here too
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Cool, man. There's been a bunch of NY'ers joining recently and a lot already here. You're in good company.


pbuilder said:
Only way to avoid really feeling any withdrawals at all is to use for a single day, and then wait at least 4 more days before using again.
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Hah, easier said than done though, eh? :\
 
mr.scagnattie said:
Cool, man. There's been a bunch of NY'ers joining recently and a lot already here. You're in good company.




Hah, easier said than done though, eh? :\
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Yea haha. The only good thing is, I don't actually find poppy seed tea all that euphoric
(I enjoyed oxy far more, but I deleted all my dealers when I quit cocaine and really don't feel a need to find new ones, it's much better off not having that temptation, and at least poppy seed tea still does the job, is cheap as fuck, and has business hours, and generally always a fresh supply, and if out their is another store across the street with decent seeds as well lol, so no fucking annoying dick head dealers that say 1 minute and take 3 fucking hours)
even though it is sedating as hell and gets me fucking slurring with pupils the size of pins, nodding off listening to some chopped/screwed mixtapes, hiccuping like a drunkard, the euphoria ain't prominant or anything like how that first line of cocaine used to be, but it is still better than being sober and something to look forward too. (ps, I learned how to instantly stop hiccups, when they start, take a deep breath, then keep on breathing in more and more and more until you lungs literally can't take anymore in, hold it for a bit, and bam, gone every fucking time. )

I don't have cravings for it nearly as bad as I did for cocaine when I was going through my little coke head phase (planned out how to get money all week as I was in school without a job, then on the weekend spent every penny I had on that gram of blow lol) Fuck, coke I would think about 24/7 lol.
 
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^your seed experience sound heavier than what i get from the pods. but i heard pods were kinda weak this year. im thinking about ordering one more lb in the spring when they are dry and seeing if they are any better.

i found myself able to use poppy pods(pretty comparable to the tea, i think) 1x a week w/o wd's but lately ive been using pods daily to get away from benzos and i know im only borrowing trouble. i may taper with a few vicodins over this next week and hopefully by then, my benzo tolerance will be better than it is now. i agree there is a lack of euphoria but its a nice body high, and the pods do get me in a really good mood where i can talk and talk. ive heard horror stories on using pods for more than 2-3 days in a row, and also once you experience true opiate addiction, you can only use it for 1 day or youll get wd's like you're describing. i woke up this morning with a wet shirt from night sweating and horrible stomach cramps and hellfire dhiareeah Lol. i dont see how tho, i did pods yesterday, even tho it was a low dose, i should have been good for more than a day. maybe its a fluke and i just had a bug. it is winter.
 
That's the weird thing tho, I have never had a real opiate habit. So I was surprised that 5 days of use in a row gave me pretty bad withdrawals. And even more surprised when a few weeks after that, using 2 days in a row gave me noticeably uncomfortable withdrawals. I'm think it's the concoction of the fuckload of dif alkaloids .
 
this is exactly what i experience too....liee a total dysphoria and dissociative kind of feeling along with a feverish feeling..... lethargy.....it really is horrid and makes me very anxious
 
I get that exact same feeling when I WD from opiates as well as from alcohol hangovers. The only way I can describe the look of everything is "the color grey".

@Pbuilder, dude I lapsed into a full blown opiate habit again a while ago and took pills everyday for about two months. Anyway, I withdrew on purpose because I found a new job in construction. One week later, I started work and was busting my guts brick laying three to five times a week. I started to use again, but was attempting to be a little more smart. I started to use one day here, give one day off, another day then one day off. Mind you this was seed tea and not pills as I find abusing pills much easier and seed tea more of a shitty high that takes effort to make and drink.

Anyway I was using every second day for a while, then it ended up becoming a Monday morning, where I did not happen to use for the entire weekend. Mind you I am a VERY VERY experienced opiate user and have withdrawn way too many times. On Monday morning I realised that I have chills in the morning when the bloody sun is out. Anyway, cut the story short, I FUCKEN WITHDREW AT WORK LAYING BRICKS. It was the single, worst experience I have ever had. My bones ached, I had chills, It felt painful to stand, fuck my fingers and nails hurt. This happened From Seed tea taken every second day, to make it worse it was unexpected. Shook me right up. I presume the seed tea has a long half life so it just built up with every second day use.

I promised myself that I would never withdraw at work ever again...fast forward, work finishes early on Friday, I decide what the heck, buy some seeds again, get high all day friday. Saturday say, eh what the heck ill just use today one more time and that is it. I wake up Sunday, re-wash fridays and saturdays batch and I withdraw AGAIN at work on Monday lol, but this time it was more bearable, but definetly withdrawals. Now I am about a month and a half into my tolerance break and am trying to get into next year Janurary next year which would make it two months (as I am one of those once a week believers ROFL, stupid I know, but I did it succesfully for a long time a while back and I just can not give up that beautiful feeling forever, I do not think I ever can.)
 
Ah yes, the dreaded SMELL. That time when you can smell anything from a mile away and NOTHING smells good.
 
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