The worst opiate/opiod to withdraw from? [New poll options added 1-22-08]

[austinslacker]

worst opiate kick to withdraw from

Hands down, I must say methadone. I've withdrawn from just about everything, but when I went CT off 120mg methadone, I wanted to die. I couldn't function at all. Heroin is a close 2nd.

 

[durgis]

Hell

I've been an addict since I was maybe 15, I am 55 now. Have mostly taken pills,any opioid. Have been on methadone for a back injury (real) but that was my tool to use to get long term pain management. The doc that started the methadone (pain clinic) has since been arrested. I was buying from one of his patients for a year or so. 100+ mgs. a day. That was about 2001. I made an appointment to the pain clinic and got in. He ramped me up to 180 mgs a day.....many more than I took so I sandbagged about 1500 10 mg doses when he went down...2005. Went to another doc and got on 60 mgs a day and supplemented those with the overflow from the now defunct pain clinic. I have since been upped to 100 mgs a day and if I don't wheel and deal on the street I run out in 2 weeks. I usually manage to make about five or six days short every month. I'm in my 5th day of a almost 150 mg a day 10 year habit. I'm alone, have lost everyone I have ever loved and am suicidal as a motherfucker. I don't know how to be rid of this ball and chain....maybe too much too long. I miss work when i'm sick. Haven't had sex in over two years....could give a shit. I feel my soul, my essence of life is gone. I just sit on this computer and cry. The poppy sooo is fucking dangerous. I hope this will least give one person something to think over before taking that fist dose of any opioid.

 

[datSTIMfreak]

I hear an IV Opana w/d is the worst opioid withdrawal.

 

[declarkified]

I agree...i've been an iv heroin addict for 5 years now, kicked cold turkey millions of times, been to millions of rehabs.....i cannot remember being sicker then coming off of a 100 mg a day oxy habit. (*not to mention i was just eating the pills not even snorting or shooting them) it was 2x as bad as heroin.

 

[garfarlu]

ive kicked all opiates that you can think of and meth is the worst ever

 

[8L4YN3]

Once upon a time i was taking 400mg of oxycodone a day, for roughly 2 weeks. The withdrawals from that were much more savage than i expected... Wasn't too hardcore compared to how bad withdrawal can really get in extreme cases.

What tripped me right out was the constant fucking eye tearing and cold flashes. These days i do not let myself withdraw much..

 

[the_traveler]

I have done cold turkey withdrawal from Heroin and Methadone, slowly tapered down from 120 mgs of methadone to 0(and still experienced withdrawal symptoms), and have experienced withdrawals from Poppy pod tea (as much as 3.5 cups of ground, raw material a day), and hands down, poppy pods have been the worst for me.

The difference I find in these withdrawal symptoms is an intense feeling of burning up, and a serious increase in my heart rate - to the point that it feels frightening. The anxiety is like no other, and reminds me of when i watched my father dying of cancer in the hospital. He would just move his arms around, sometimes putting them on his chest, sometimes at his side, but all-in-all it looked like any position for him was extremely painful and he would moan and sigh no matter how he positioned himself.

I cannot say enough about how grateful i am for Loperamide right now. I just hope that after I come off that stuff, the withdrawals will be somewhat manageable. Maybe I have gotten older and my body reacts to withdrawal with more severe symptoms, but I really believe that pods are the worst to come off of. I believe a lot more people are familiar with opiates other than pods, otherwise I think the poll results would be different. I think there's a reason there's a thread called something like, "poppy pods are the devil". I think it's on this site.

 

[nath6023]

Shite.....very spun out to find bupe even mentioned. I went from smoking 20mg a day...much stronger than subing it, to c/t and it wasn't a prob. I could still work, just a bit sweaty. I found methadone 50x worse...well maybe 10x worse. Still worse all the same. I found precipitated w/ds going from 120mg done, to bupe within 24hours was better than an entire week of agony. Sure it's hard, but over quick. Then stoped the bupe next dose and cleaned up with no w/ds. Then sadly, back to bupe a month later. Now i'm a codeine man. Codeine w/ds...meh, easy. Even at 1.5g a day dose. I'd say due to potentiators not very addictive. Peace.

 

[godlovesugly]

worst is methadone. hands dowwwwn.

 

[8L4YN3]

Shite.....very spun out to find bupe even mentioned. I went from smoking 20mg a day...much stronger than subing it, to c/t and it wasn't a prob. I could still work, just a bit sweaty. I found methadone 50x worse...well maybe 10x worse. Still worse all the same. I found precipitated w/ds going from 120mg done, to bupe within 24hours was better than an entire week of agony. Sure it's hard, but over quick. Then stoped the bupe next dose and cleaned up with no w/ds. Then sadly, back to bupe a month later. Now i'm a codeine man. Codeine w/ds...meh, easy. Even at 1.5g a day dose. I'd say due to potentiators not very addictive. Peace.

Even at 1.5g a day of codeine your buzz isnt going to last very long there mate.

 

[Eli1712]

I've been an addict since I was maybe 15, I am 55 now. Have mostly taken pills,any opioid. Have been on methadone for a back injury (real) but that was my tool to use to get long term pain management. The doc that started the methadone (pain clinic) has since been arrested. I was buying from one of his patients for a year or so. 100+ mgs. a day. That was about 2001. I made an appointment to the pain clinic and got in. He ramped me up to 180 mgs a day.....many more than I took so I sandbagged about 1500 10 mg doses when he went down...2005. Went to another doc and got on 60 mgs a day and supplemented those with the overflow from the now defunct pain clinic. I have since been upped to 100 mgs a day and if I don't wheel and deal on the street I run out in 2 weeks. I usually manage to make about five or six days short every month. I'm in my 5th day of a almost 150 mg a day 10 year habit. I'm alone, have lost everyone I have ever loved and am suicidal as a motherfucker. I don't know how to be rid of this ball and chain....maybe too much too long. I miss work when i'm sick. Haven't had sex in over two years....could give a shit. I feel my soul, my essence of life is gone. I just sit on this computer and cry. The poppy sooo is fucking dangerous. I hope this will least give one person something to think over before taking that fist dose of any opioid.

Hope you're still around, WD's are definitely even worse when you literally don't have a single person on this planet to talk to because you spent years soley devoting your life to opiates. Even though bupe WD's can take forever I think it would be a lifesaver for you (it would be much more effective if you could get into a pretty bad WD from the methadone before you started the bupe (suboxone/subutex)).

On a side note I just got a timed lock-box/safe to help me ration my opiates, I'm suprised I've never heard of this, it's genius, it's a little box that I time to unlock every 24 hours. I can take out enough to have a decent time and don't have to worry about binging extremely hardcore like I tend to do (shooting what should be a weeks worth in one night).

 

[the_traveler]

I've been an addict since I was maybe 15, I am 55 now. Have mostly taken pills,any opioid. Have been on methadone for a back injury (real) but that was my tool to use to get long term pain management. The doc that started the methadone (pain clinic) has since been arrested. I was buying from one of his patients for a year or so. 100+ mgs. a day. That was about 2001. I made an appointment to the pain clinic and got in. He ramped me up to 180 mgs a day.....many more than I took so I sandbagged about 1500 10 mg doses when he went down...2005. Went to another doc and got on 60 mgs a day and supplemented those with the overflow from the now defunct pain clinic. I have since been upped to 100 mgs a day and if I don't wheel and deal on the street I run out in 2 weeks. I usually manage to make about five or six days short every month. I'm in my 5th day of a almost 150 mg a day 10 year habit. I'm alone, have lost everyone I have ever loved and am suicidal as a motherfucker. I don't know how to be rid of this ball and chain....maybe too much too long. I miss work when i'm sick. Haven't had sex in over two years....could give a shit. I feel my soul, my essence of life is gone. I just sit on this computer and cry. The poppy sooo is fucking dangerous. I hope this will least give one person something to think over before taking that fist dose of any opioid.

durgis, forgive me if I sound presumptuous, but it sounds to me like the whole lifestyle of copping and hunting for what you need to get by is a downer. I spent a good 7 years during my twenties copping dope in the ghetto, 3 years running the streets with my fellow methadonians. I would disappear to my "best friend's" house, an vet who would have schizophrenic episodes after being up smoking rock for 3 three days straight. I started to turn schizophrenic myself. The three years on 120 mgs of methadone (and dope and crack) were especially hard, and when I left the city for the suburbs and a well-to-do AA group, I felt much better for a while.

Years later, I left my triggers behind(family), moved out of state, and spent two years drinking poppy tea and hanging out with my cats(and no humans). Honestly, that was the biggest healing experience I've has thus far. I believe opiates can be useful for certain people and situations, but a life spent searching out the next dose can bring anyone to their knees.

I'm personally on my 4th day of poppy tea withdrawal, and Loperamide has been a blessing (at about 60 mg a day).

I wish you the best durgis, especially because I know what it's like to go through the kind of thing you're experiencing. I hope you can change something about your current situation, if only to get another perspective on life. May the force be with you. Live long and prosper.

 

[Mother_Superior]

Is anyone else skeptical of thes poll results?

I feel like methadone is listed at #1 for a few reasons; first and most importantly, b'cuz it's the most widely used opiate. Secondly, many ppl claim they've kicked other opiates & not m'done but, did they really kick the others or just get past the first hurdle of heavy wd's b4 getting on a program? Some prefer to blame the clinics and m'done rather than admit that they couldn't kick either as it's easier to continue usage if u have a scapegoat, Thirdly. not all done users had an equivalent amount of opiate b4 they got on & many manipulate the system by pretending they require a much higher initial dose to balance out the wd's when in fact, they are starting treatment at an amount that gets them twice as high as when on the previous opiate(as swim did). It's seems highly suspect but I could be wrong.

 

[CaPoNe.]

Fentanyl for me was by far the worse. I got the worst pains and the headaches were unbearable and no amount of motrin could help.

 

[arthunter888]

Why the hell isn't Oxymorphone listed? This has got to put all else to shame. The WD is so bad that you don't even have to be dependent to feel it. And if you are dependent, you're probably stuck in bed crying like a girl until it's over.

 

[smailliw]

Fentanyl for me was by far the worse. I got the worst pains and the headaches were unbearable and no amount of motrin could help.

I'm not going to say that one was worse than the other, each was freakin bad in its own way. Fentanyl (or a compound very similar to fentanyl synthesized in the lab-i'm a chemist) use for 2 years, gave me weeks of sweats, chills, throwing up, lack of sleep and I would do anything to make it stop including OD'ing on Barbital. 7 years on OxyContin 80mg-160mg a day and I was writing my own scrips to keep the WD's away, tried 100s of times to go cold turkey but going through WD's in jail is HELL. H and Meth caused months of sleepless nights, loss of friends, cold sweats, chills, throwing up and sitting on the toilet for what seemed like weeks. I thought Poppy Pod tea was the answer, easy to get, seemed legal, looked out the window for hours waiting on the Mail, ground up 20-30 mammoth pods and made the horrible tasting tea that lasted all day until the price for pods had me selling every priceless possession I had, was spending $1000 of dollars per shipment, when money ran out so did the pods and I begged my family to put me in rehab, I woke up from a coma two weeks later. All WD's were HELL, but the lack of energy and psychological effects seem to last forever. 1 YEAR CLEAN, but I had to almost die to get to this point. Don't let this happen to you too!

 

[charlietodd69]

I'd have to say that fentanyl after fairly chronic use (3,600 mcg/day), in both the form of Duragesics and Actiqs, was a pretty bad kick...

You hit that right on the head!!! You were the only one I seen saying fentanyl!! I can't BELIVE that!! It's way more intense that H. I was smoking a lot of it. 100mch in one sitting is the only opiate I've gotten a pleasurable high from.. Kicking that shit is a nIghtmare! People say it don't last that long. I call bullshit!!! I'm 6 days off ALL opiates and I still pray for god to let me sleep! 5 days now and not a single wink!!!! No joke. I'm still doing the flop on my couch... If I put anything in my stomach and im only able to hold it for about 2 secods. So fentanyl is the WORST off ALL opiates! Go check it out! Lol.

 

[Seyer]

I voted Heroin because its the only Opiate other than Oxycodone that Ive withdrawn from, but the Oxy WD was a piece of cake due to my Heroin habit being longer.

 

[Pill2Chill]

Oxy is the strongest opioid I ever had to withdraw from. I honestly experienced oxy w/d's are nothing compared to the way tramadol throws you into 2 kinds of withdrawal at the same time. Having both anti-depressant and opiate-withdrawals is.. Just absolutely horrible.

 

[backroll]

until you have been on a high dose of methadone for an elongated period of time and go cold turkey on it, the pain you will suffer will shit on ANY withdrawing from other opiates. Not surprised it is the highest voted for, and I bet the people voting for heroin haven't been on an mmt for a long period and colded it. ARGH! I'm getting flashbacks!