🗣️ General Discussion 🗣️ The Weather Thread

[Perkins : Reborn]

A bitter wind coming from somewhere northwards today. Definitely reminded me that we're not quite out of the cold weather yet, despite the fact it's been pleasant for weeks here.

Daffodils are either shooting up or have shot up, depending on how they catch the sun.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

This time of year is very deceptive. You see a bit of sunshine, a few crocuses and daffodils, blossom on the trees, so you ditch your big coat. Only to find that you're freezing your tits off...

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Still have the Belgian army parka going, paramilitary style.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

At least my poppies are waking up

 

[Ki3ly]

Poppy Love is in the Air

 

[Shambles]

There is no difference.

Or, at least, there shouldn't be.

Gender used to be synonymous with biological sex, but the definition has been changed to cater for people that have issues with their sexuality.

Scientifically there has always been a difference. The fact this takes a while to filter through to wider “common knowledge” doesn’t make it not true.

Sex is biological, gender is sociological. Always has been, always will be. Individuals whose chromosomes don’t fit easily into biological sex norms also exist which muddies even the “chromosomes define sex let alone gender” argument.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Scientifically there has always been a difference. The fact this takes a while to filter through to wider “common knowledge” doesn’t make it not true.

Sex is biological, gender is sociological. Always has been, always will be. Individuals whose chromosomes don’t fit easily into biological sex norms also exist which muddies even the “chromosomes define sex let alone gender” argument.

Sorry, I still don't buy this.

Chromosomes define your sex, and therfore your gender.

Societal constructs are just that, they have no basis in biology.

You can call yourself what you want, I don't really give a fuck. But it doesn't mean it's 'real'.

A man saying he's a women, doesn't make it so. And vice versa.

You can chop bits off, add other bits here and there (because we have the technology), but all you're doing is pandering to the whims of people that don't know who they are.

Perhaps we should be making more effort to find the root cause of these issues than simply patting them on the head and telling them what they want to hear?

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Anyway, contrary to all of the weather reports I've heard, today has been very sunny with little wind. Only now are light showers approaching.

 

[alasdairm]

Chromosomes define your sex

indeed.

and therfore your gender

incorrect.

i invite you to read the link i posted earlier. here are a few others that might help you understand the difference:

• What Do We Mean By Sex and Gender?
• Gender Versus Biological Sex: What’s the Difference?
• What is gender? What is sex?

that last one is pretty short and simple.

if, as you say you believe, sex and gender are the same thing - or the latter is a hard-wired function of the former - then we couldn't have the concept of a manly woman, or a girly man. because men are men and women are women, right?

those are simple examples of gender non-conformity that make it pretty easy to understand the distinction between biological sex and gender expression.

you should ask this guy for more information as he seems to get it

What? You're a bloke Tathra? For some reason I assumed you were female; probably due to your girly avatar

alasdair

 

[mal3volent]

sex and gender were used interchangeably basically my entire life. The idea that they are unlinked or two fundamentally unrelated concepts is a relatively new phenomenon that only gained significant momentum in the last 10-15 years. We have all filled out documents and forms that asked for your gender with options marked M or F. Not man or woman with a dozen other options listed underneath.

"Gender non conformity" used to be called having a personality.

If society wants to change things then okay, but let's not rewrite history.

 

[streaM Freak]

sex and gender were used interchangeably basically my entire life. The idea that they are unlinked or two fundamentally unrelated concepts is a relatively new phenomenon that only gained significant momentum in the last 10-15 years. We have all filled out documents and forms that asked for your gender with options marked M or F. Not man or woman with a dozen other options listed underneath.

"Gender non conformity" used to be called having a personality.

If society wants to change things then okay, but let's not rewrite history.

I will acknowledge it, but that doesn't mean i fully understand.
I can empathize, but i can't offer genuine support on something that i don't understand.

If we analyze my behavior and clothing, you'd think i was from another planet. Maybe after we all cool down from the issue, gender can be completely different words.

Its partly cloudy, for the record.

 

[alasdairm]

sex and gender were used interchangeably basically my entire life.
...

If society wants to change things then okay, but let's not rewrite history.

yeah, i hear you.

for much of my life people used terms like mass and weight interchangeably. or speed and velocity. or weather and climate. we know that they're not the same thing and using the terms correctly isn't rewriting history. it's progress

it's beautiful here today - low 50s and sunny.

alasdair

 

[mal3volent]

yeah, i hear you.

for much of my life people used terms like mass and weight interchangeably. or speed and velocity. or weather and climate. we know that they're not the same thing and using the terms correctly isn't rewriting history. it's progress

it's beautiful here today - low 50s and sunny.

alasdair

Cmon man, those are not good analogies. These were government forms, documents you'd fill out at school, etc. As recently as the late 00s and early 10s when I was last there. Not some random dimwits mixing up terms.

Gender was considered an extension of your sex. Biological males are men. Biological females are women. Biological women or men who choose to live their lives as the opposite gender are trans women or trans men.

Trans people absolutely deserve and are entitled to respect, dignity, and equal rights. But trans women are not women. And trans men are not men. They're different. There's nothing wrong with different...

Edit: uhhh yeah the weather is nice here too.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Appreciate the effort to keep things somewhat weather orientated.

It was sunny all day work has been murder something like 200 covers most of them not booked

 

[Ki3ly]

Scary Hot !!

However, a lot better than ..... a whole lot Wind.

 

[LoginNotSecure]

Sorry, I still don't buy this.

Chromosomes define your sex, and therfore your gender.

Societal constructs are just that, they have no basis in biology.

You can call yourself what you want, I don't really give a fuck. But it doesn't mean it's 'real'.

A man saying he's a women, doesn't make it so. And vice versa.

You can chop bits off, add other bits here and there (because we have the technology), but all you're doing is pandering to the whims of people that don't know who they are.

Perhaps we should be making more effort to find the root cause of these issues than simply patting them on the head and telling them what they want to hear?

It's called gender dysphoria and it's treatable.

 

[alasdairm]

nah, i'm just a run of the mill cis male. pretty unremarkable.

alasdair

 

[mal3volent]

nah, i'm just a run of the mill cis male. pretty unremarkable.

alasdair

So if you discovered you were non binary tomorrow, you would be remarkable ?

 

[alasdairm]

no. that would also be unremarkable.

alasdair

 

[mal3volent]

I don't understand the need for the qualifiers then.

No harm no foul though. Carry on. Still sunny here.