The Ultimate Anti-Drug

BilZ0r said:
And how this hell is this mind control? You can use all the drugs you want, they just wont work as well. Next are you going to tell me that, childhood vaccinations against diseases, are mind control? Fluridation in the water too?
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Vaccinations against diseases don't affect the mind and the minds ability to feel euphoria through a drug. Many people like the feeling of opiates, verrrry few people like diseases. You are comparing two completely different things.
 
It was in the text, but if he brought it up it means he didn't read the text, so it's good that you pointed that out.

Bottom line: If the US government takes ONE STEP toward making this a reality in America, the 300 million people in this country should be very afraid. It has been said that oppression doesn't materialize instantaneously. It comes like the twilight at the end of a beautiful day. By the time people see that the sun has set, they are already in the black darkness of oppression. The sun is setting. I would hope that none of us are going to sit here while our world gets blacker and blacker. Maybe I'm speaking prematurely, I hope I am.
 
The saddest part of it all is, even if not mandatory, if available plenty of parents would go for such "vaccine".

Long term health effects and violation of personal freedoms would be my most immediate concerns here...

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Originally posted by Christian Soldier
Can you think for yourself?
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atlas said:
The problem is, whose alternative is it? If children are given these shots at birth, or if drug "offenders" are given them with a lighter sentence, that it isn't really an alternative for people at all. Its mind control, and its an abomination.

If, on the other hand, this was the sort of thing one could buy when you wanted to quit using drugs, thats a fine idea.
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exactly

If informed, consenting adults want to take an anti-drug vaccine, and if it could work on adults, maybe they should have that right. But the government should play no role in sponsoring, nor even encouraging, such a practice. An anti-drug vaccine for children is such a bad idea that it isn't even worth considering.
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I read the article, my problem is that the article has many blatant fallacies in it. This drug doesn't "produce a permanent chemical alteration to an individual's brain chemistry" as the article states. Its assertions of statistical methods and clinical trials are also wrong.

The original article is reacationary propaganda, and if y'all would take a step back, you could see that.

The developers of this drug intend for it to be used in people who have shown themselves to be unable to control their drug use by will-power alone. It has never been propossed by the original authors, to be given en masse to babys everywhere. You should be supporting this drug, just like you should be supporting methadone maintanence, buprinorphine and naltrexone therapy, for those who want it.
 
Who knows what the adverse effects could be? I guess we will have to wait until it is tested, and by that time all subcultures will have been destroyed...
 
Well, you know to fix most of the worlds problems we could probably give frontal labotomies to all minority races and low income earners. This would work by altering a persons mentality pernamently, making it less likely they would try to escape hostile economic conditions through crime or escapism via drug use. Or better yet, bring back slavery. We will then get millions of minimum wage earners without the fuss caused by allowing them freedom of choice.
 
Sure, if you can get those people to volunteer for the labotomies ;)

vegan said:
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Vegan: Just curious, what's that thread got to do with these plans for a anti-drug vaccine? And why did you quote it in the 1st place? I haven't even made a post in there?? Btw if you wan't to discuss religion, keep it in the T&A forum or pm me. Cheers.
 
I would never allow this vaccine to enter my children. Consider it a lesson in personal responsibility.
Why does government always need to BE the problem?
 
BilZ0r said:
I read the article, my problem is that the article has many blatant fallacies in it. This drug doesn't "produce a permanent chemical alteration to an individual's brain chemistry" as the article states.
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Well, IF they are talking about a phage or other virus expressing drug-binding antibodies on its protein coat (judging by their calling it a vaccine), it will produce some kind of alteration for a period of weeks or months, after which it would need to be readministered. However, whether this alteration has any effects other than the one intended is unkown. Youve seen the recent PNAS article from George Koobs group about such vaccines, right?

Its assertions of statistical methods and clinical trials are also wrong.
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I agree.
Nevertheless, theres no way in hell I would want myself or my kids to be part of an initial longitudinal clinical trial.

The original article is reacationary propaganda, and if y'all would take a step back, you could see that.
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I wouldnt go that far, but it definitely exaggerates in multiple places. However, their ultimate conclusion is pretty reasonable:

If informed, consenting adults want to take an anti-drug vaccine, and if it could work on adults, maybe they should have that right. But the government should play no role in sponsoring, nor even encouraging, such a practice. An anti-drug vaccine for children is such a bad idea that it isn't even worth considering.
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Informed, consenting adults should definitely, not just maybe, have the right to subject themselves to such a treatment. And that shit should definitely not be given to kids unless they have become addicted already.

The developers of this drug intend for it to be used in people who have shown themselves to be unable to control their drug use by will-power alone. It has never been propossed by the original authors, to be given en masse to babys everywhere.
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Yes, but the idea was floated by the government.

If anybody has more info on the drug or vaccine they are talking about (as in, what exactly it is), please post it.
 
BilZ0r said:
The developers of this drug intend for it to be used in people who have shown themselves to be unable to control their drug use by will-power alone. It has never been propossed by the original authors, to be given en masse to babys everywhere.
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there is always a first step
 
I read this entire article and the first thing that came to mind was umm, whatmacallit, FIRST AMENDMENT. Freedom of choice, if children are subjected to testing, they have no idea what's going on. There is no way they can do this without the country backing them up. I'll be the first out there protesting if this ever happens. WHO'S WITH ME??
 
BilZ0r said:
Why are bupronorphine, methadone and naltrexone part of harm reduction, but a vaccine isn't?
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It could be - if a person chooses it. When forced on a child, this would be a horrible evil - altering the way your brain works without your consent.

BilZ0r said:
And how this hell is this mind control? You can use all the drugs you want, they just wont work as well. Next are you going to tell me that, childhood vaccinations against diseases, are mind control? Fluridation in the water too?
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Vaccinations against disease aren't intended to alter how your mind works.

Everything hinges on consent. Sex with consent is a good time. Sex without consent is rape. Same thing applies to this.

Doing this to people without their consent would be pure evil, and it would be morally right to use any and all means to stop those would do so.
 
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