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The UK in the EU: "Brexit"

^But yet you got my point and still side with the 1% ? Why can't you admit that kleptocrats ,plutocrats and corrupt governments exist on both sides of the political spectrum,always at the expense and abuse of the masses ?
 
Do you know what will happen to people from mainland Europe who are living in the UK if the result of the referendum it to leave the EU? My girlfriend is from Spain and I want to know if she will have to go back there.
 
If the UK leaves the EU does this mean that Italy and Spain will as well?

It will certainly amp up those who wish for their own referendum on EU membership. Italy and Spain are in a right mess. If the young in those countries have any sense they will demand it straight away. If they're like the young in the UK they will continue to bend over for the EU whilst saying "I love you".
 
Well that doesn't sound like a total fucking nightmare scenario. I just love the implied assertion that well trained robots can somehow lead less well trained robots to a better outcome, when neither have the slightest clue what is really going on and how we should be playing the game of life. And before you say it, no, science does not have it all figured out, and yes, I think atheists are fools.

We are human last time I checked. My nightmare scenario is people like you voting. I.e. is already happening. People like you are the reason carbon will most likely never again drop below 400 ppm in my lifetime. Your type is the plague of humanity with the potential to know better, but too much hate to change things in a positive direction.

Why would you assume most scientists are atheists? If anything agnosticism is the option which covers most bases.
 
It will certainly amp up those who wish for their own referendum on EU membership. Italy and Spain are in a right mess. If the young in those countries have any sense they will demand it straight away. If they're like the young in the UK they will continue to bend over for the EU whilst saying "I love you".

As someone who likes to visit Italy/Spain, and has friends from both places, I would hardly say they are a "in a right mess". They are doing better than ever (I agree could be doing better, but corruption), and the EU guarantees their citizens certain rights. I have considered living and working in Spain for awhile, but I don't speak the language yet. With a fertile, productive land like the EU they have little to fear worst case scenario.

Keep on spouting your usual propaganda. Whatever drives you is beyond my comprehension, which I am not ashamed to admit.
 
If the UK leaves the EU does this mean that Italy and Spain will as well?

Italy is pretty tightly linked to the EU, and Spain doesn't have near the clout of Britain. Britain's clout is IMO insufficient to actually force the EU to do anything. If a coalition of countries banded together against improper integration with the EU I would imagine the EU would simply compromise to keep them in the Union at that point.
 
We are human last time I checked. My nightmare scenario is people like you voting. I.e. is already happening. People like you are the reason carbon will most likely never again drop below 400 ppm in my lifetime. Your type is the plague of humanity with the potential to know better, but too much hate to change things in a positive direction.

Brexit is taking the lead because people are just fed up of hollow nonsense, like your tired old repeated mantra about 'hate' and global warming. Every time someone on the remain side opens their mouth it's just hollow garbage about how the leave side is full of hate, how the economy will fail if we leave, 'everyone/experts' think this so you should too, etc. The remain campaign is failing because people see the real dangers we face are actually being caused by the EU. Far right/left sentiment is rising in the EU, not because these people are somehow deficient, or a plague as you seem to think, but because the EU is simply not listening to the people who have real concerns.. who can see that there are issues attached to the free movement of people for example.

You can't legislate it away, or brainwash it out. There is a genuine problem - the EU in its ideological agenda refuses to admit this and actually drives the hatred! This is tied to the 'EU has maintained peace' fallacy. It will only be as peaceful until the forces of nature finally burst through and bring it crashing down, leaving all the intellectuals and idealists scratching their heads as once again they have failed to take all the factors into consideration. You can't legislate out these forces of nature no matter how hard you try.. you can only sublimate them. The EU does not sublimate them.. it pretends to. You pretend to. But neither you or the EU actually face the truth/reality.
 
Hollow garbage that you will end up regretting for the foreseeable future. If you think you can change the EU from the outside go at it, old chap. You have a much better chance from within, but that is your thing. Baby Britain will end up being the only former EU country not to benefit from the restructuring of the EU, and getting back in will not be a walk in the park.

You have shown time and time again to be not only wrong, but also unwillingly to face the truth.

You didn't earn the reputation you have on this forum with Brexit. You have long been a biased, racist, xenophobic, denialist, who constantly has to say, "My name stands for my real life initials, not Staffelschutz!". You shouldn't have to wonder much why people still think you name stands for Staffelschutz, and not your initials.

Ignore all the warnings from people who know something of the science and politics of research, free markets, true sovereignty, etc...

Pretend that their warnings are "hollow garbage", or threats. As I posted earlier, the good that can come from this is showing what a cluster fuck democracy is in this situation, and the fact that as a sovereign nation you will sleep in the bed you make. Sad that half your country has to sleep in that same bed, but wanted it made with a bit more care.

Don’t step in front of the Brexit freight train, market strategist says
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/14/dont-step-in-front-of-the-brexit-freight-train-market-strategist-says.html

Gold is up, the yen is up, and we have this little bit of of warning becoming reality:
German 10-Year Government Bond Yields Dip Below Zero for First Time
http://www.wsj.com/articles/german-10-year-government-bond-yields-dip-below-zero-for-first-time-1465889491

I hope you understand what this last link means, but I have reservations. To those that do, why would people be securing their wealth with such drastic measures more than a week before the vote? Does it mean this Brexit thing will go off without a hitch (/s)? Lol...
 
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Oh boy, another fool who actually believes the EU can be reformed or even wants to be reformed. If we remain, the idea that the EU will just bend over and accept reform because we were about to leave is laughable.. they will just continue on as if nothing happened! You don't get it. This enterprise is NOT for the benefit of the masses and it never has been.. why do you think its very core is so undemocratic and unaccountable? That's why it was conceived in the first place.

My reputation is only in your head.

The warnings.. oh boy. Same things were said about joining the Euro. Does the phrase 'vested interest' mean anything to you? Or gravy train? Or political bias? Or funding bias? These experts will dance to whatever tune they need to if it means they keep their power and/or job. It's called the real world, try joining it some time.
 
There are compelling arguments for Britain to remain in the EU

It would also most likely be bad for members of the Commonwealth due to financial uncertainty and reduced investment/exports to and from Britain
 
The warnings.. oh boy. Same things were said about joining the Euro. Does the phrase 'vested interest' mean anything to you? Or gravy train? Or political bias? Or funding bias? These experts will dance to whatever tune they need to if it means they keep their power and/or job. It's called the real world, try joining it some time.
The bank of england did not say the same things about not joining the euro, nor did the IMF or the president of the united states. It is also not clear to me what vested interests, other than a healthy global economy, the bank of england, the president of the united states, and the IMF would have here, as they are not in some way involved in the EU.
 
why do you think its very core is so undemocratic and unaccountable? That's why it was conceived in the first place.
International politic's has to be somewhat undemocratic. If you would have to hold a referendum on any international treaty, there would be no climate treaty's, nor fishing quota's, nor trade agreemants. All things that ARE very much benefitting the masses, as a sea-level rise of over a meter, depletion, and trade barriers between develloped economies are not (free trade between for instance china and the west are another matter).
If international politic's would be completely democratic, diplomacy and silent diplomacy would hardly be possible, and we would live in a totally different world. Less wealthy, less stable. The arms industry would hugely benefit though.
 
It is also not clear to me what vested interests, other than a healthy global economy, the bank of england, the president of the united states, and the IMF would have here, as they are not in some way involved in the EU.

Well it's easy to not understand the game when you're not in the club like 99.9% of people ;) No global conspiracy.. just an old boys network that is interested in increasing its power and profitability. They all support and love the EU because it benefits them immensely. That's why it was set up in the first place!
 
"Give me control of a nation's money supply,and I care not who makes its laws" -- Amchel Rothschild.

Anyone who thinks that central banks and their minions GAF about the masses is truly delusional and quite the useful idiot.
 
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