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^I'm talking about your quote refuting the claim of American genocide not existing. Do your own research, and figure it out yourself. We've killed thousands of innocent civilians. Between; Hiroshima, Vietnam, and The War in Iraq alone.

Stop your arrogant ramblings, and start reading some books. The only person copping out, is you, from the obvious...
 
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How can you compare that to the systematic killing of...

European Jews: 5,600,000 to 6,250,000
Soviet prisoners of war: 3,000,000
Polish Catholics: 3,000,000
Serbians: 700,000 (Croat Ustasa persecution)
Roma, Sinti, and Lalleri: 222,000 to 250,000
Germans (political, religious, and Resistance): 80,000
Germans (handicapped): 70,000
Homosexuals: 12,000
Jehovah’s Witnesses: 2500

EVERY. COUNTRY. HAS. DONE. FUCKED. UP. THINGS. Look at history! No one is saying it isn't happening, but it DOES. NOT. COMPARE. In fact, say that to someone Jewish. Go ahead. I'm sure they'll agree that your plight is equal to what their recent family had to live through (or, you know, got tortured, experimented on, starved, and killed while trying to just make it out alive.)
 
^What's your point? You're seriously missing the issue, because the number is not the problem. The problem lies in the killing of innocent civilian lives...

Another thing you don't realize is the the Holocaust was funded by Americans. Yes, that's right, go read some books and figure it out. I'm not your professor or your teacher, I'm not doing the work for you. Trace the money, and also another thing you should research is the origin of IBM technology. So technically, combine all the civilian death toll rates from various U.S. Wars and you might as well combine that statistic above because the USA played an important role in that fascist party controlling Germany known as the Nazis.
 
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Oh my. Well, now that I know your personality type, I know that arguing with you will lead to nothing. Thanks for that, you saved me a lot of trouble and a higher blood pressure.

During the rise of Nazi Germany and the onset of World War II, IBM had relationships and contracts with the German military/industrial technocracy. IBM's punch card machines were used by Germany to keep track of people who were to be subjected to the Holocaust. Only after Jews were identified—a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately—could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed. But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.

After America entered World War II, IBM played an active role in the U.S. war effort. According to the IBM archive website:

"When World War II began, all IBM facilities were placed at the disposal of the U.S. government. IBM's product line expanded to include bombsights, rifles and engine parts – in all, more than three dozen major ordnance items. Thomas Watson, Sr., set a nominal one percent profit on those products and used the money to establish a fund for widows and orphans of IBM war casualties."

In particular, IBM manufactured the Browning Automatic Rifle and the M1 Carbine.

Allied military forces widely utilized IBM's tabulating equipment for military accounting, logistics, and other war-related purposes. There was extensive use of IBM punch-card machines for calculations made at Los Alamos during the Manhattan Project for developing the first atomic bombs. During the War, IBM also built the Harvard Mark I for the U.S. Navy, the first large-scale automatic digital computer in the U.S.

Besides that, I find nothing about America giving money to German or helping the Nazis to power. If you would indulge me, please, and take two seconds of your super important life to dig me up some evidence, I'd respect you about 10x more.
 
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^I'm talking about your quote refuting the claim of American genocide not existing.


Now I know you misunderstand everything you read or are a liar. I've never even commented on any kind of genocide on this board until you tried to compare recent American leaders to Germany's Nazi regime.
 
Oh my. Well, now that I know your personality type, I know that arguing with you will lead to nothing. Thanks for that, you saved me a lot of trouble and a higher blood pressure.

You know my personality type, and that arguing will lead to nothing? Please, elaborate on this assumption of yours for me. I saved you trouble? Why, because you're misinformed? Do your own research and stop using Wikipedia, American History Books, and Encyclopedias to retrieve your facts.

Keep looking for relations, "I.G. Farben and Rockefeller"

You can make any assumption about me or "my personality type," but I'm not your professor. If you want to learn something, seek out the knowledge yourself...

In the mean time:

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Now I know you misunderstand everything you read or are a liar. I've never even commented on any kind of genocide on this board until you tried to compare recent American leaders to Germany's Nazi regime.

You must forget easily:

So you're trying to say recent American leaders have done things nearly equivalent to the Holocaust?

I find it quite amusing you make claims of me lying and misunderstanding what I read. There's no misunderstanding here, you were confused about American leaders not and/or were unsure about them doing things "nearly equivalent to the Holocaust," when the facts are; not only have they done things of this magnitude before, but they also were largely responsible for the Holocaust which then clearly makes them guilty. Whether you choose to believe it or not, these are the facts...
 
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I find it quite amusing you make claims of me lying and misunderstanding what I read. There's no misunderstanding here, you were confused about American leaders not doing things "nearly equivalent to the Holocaust" when the facts are; not only have they, but they also were largely responsible for the Holocaust.


The only thing comparable would be how we handled Native Americans when we first came to the country.

I definitely don't consider that recent.



Nicaruguan Contras don't rival the Nazi regime in my book, either.

With concern to the Holocaust, failing to act and actively supporting what Germany was doing are two entirely different things. That picture-comparison you posted is only proof-positive if you can find that the Nazi poster pre-dates the American one.


I'm going to look into America funding the Holocaust, but I'm going into it with a bias because I seriously doubt any of our funding went to Germany before or after we discovered their plans for the Jewish people.
 
^You can make all the doubts you want, and remain biased, but if you cant change your opinions to fit the facts. Then the only thing you will accomplish is "verifying" your opinions by specifically seeking out "facts" that can allow you to feel better about your opinions being "correct."

The pictures are both practically from around the same time.

The Rockefeller Foundation is who you want to research, in your journey to find out that "our funding didn't go to the Nazi party" and "we were completely oblivious about the plans the Nazis had" or that "IBM had no clue about what their first computer technology was being developed and used for" 8)
 
^You can make all the doubts you want, and remain biased, but if you cant change your opinions to fit the facts. Then the only thing you will accomplish is "verifying" your opinions by specifically seeking out "facts" that can allow you to feel better about your opinions being "correct."

The pictures are both practically from around the same time.

The Rockefeller Foundation is who you want to research, in your journey to find out that "our funding didn't go to the Nazi party" and "we were completely oblivious about the plans the Nazis had" or that "IBM had no clue about what their first computer technology was being developed and used for" 8)



Like I said, I'm going to look into it... but if the Rockefeller Foundation is what I should look at, how can you consider a private foundation's involvement in anything as evidence of what the American government was or wasn't doing?
 
how can you consider a private foundation's involvement in anything as evidence of what the American government was or wasn't doing?

It's not the the American government that owns America, it's the bankers and other elites. The agencies, politicians, they are just puppets apart of the biggest "Pyramid Scheme" ever manufactured (and the sole foundation of a Pyramid Scheme is as you go higher in rank -- you actually know less about the operation). It's the people you don't see that remain anonymous, and the people that you do see, like the Rockefellers and J.P. Morgan are not only blatant, but extremely careless about their actions because they simply don't care... :\

Money is Power.
 
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What private organizations do is their own business, it has nothing to do with the United States Governement. Period. Your personality type reeks of conspiracy theoriest, honestly. You keep going along and proving it with every post. I bet you're also going to say we didn't land on the moon, right?

Stop trying to defend someone else's ignorance by throwing yours in front. Anything America has done recently DOES NOT COMPARE with the cold blooded murder of tens of millions of people out of sheer hatred for their existence. And all you keep saying to that is, "Yes it is, I'm not your school teacher, figure it out yourself." That translates to "I have nothing to back up my own claims so do your own research, it's there, I swear it is. Just believe me."
 
Danashae you cant argue with ignorance. Its always terms like big buisness, elites, oh and one of the oldest ones the bankers(which of course arose out of antisematism)........ If people use these terms to describe a conspiracy theory instead of actual examples of people you have no credability in my eyes.
 
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Well, he threw out names like IBM (which was true, although it still has nothing to do with the US Government), J.P. Morgan, and the "I.G. Farben and Rockefeller" connection. This enough will convince me that the entirety of the American government is actually run by said bankers and elites, among others, and was pro-Nazi.

I will also believe that we're doing things now, in recent history, that is just as bad as The Holocaust genocide. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
 
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^Keep rolling your eyes, it's people like you and Too many doses that hold us back as a species. Everybody wants to sit around and let the world pass them by; thinking everything that's going on in the world is "supposed" to be that way, and problems fix themselves. In spite of the fact that the same agenda that has been taking place for a long time slowly unfolds and yet, the only regurgitated verbal diarrhea that comes out of your mouth is, "oh conspiracy theories." Guess what, conspiracy is another term for business. Grow up and stop protecting yourself from the truth, because you're a scared little child on the inside. This is only the surface of lies that exist, the rabbit hole goes deeper than you could even try to understand. Of course all that is beyond your comprehension, because even basic and simple facts like these are too far from your grasping (so much that you don't even want to look them up...).

It's symbology chump, just look at the symbolism. This "elite control" that you and your buddy downsize so easily, far predates your little reptile brains' understanding of history :(

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What private organizations do is their own business, it has nothing to do with the United States Governement. Period. Your personality type reeks of conspiracy theoriest, honestly. You keep going along and proving it with every post. I bet you're also going to say we didn't land on the moon, right?

Stop trying to defend someone else's ignorance by throwing yours in front. Anything America has done recently DOES NOT COMPARE with the cold blooded murder of tens of millions of people out of sheer hatred for their existence. And all you keep saying to that is, "Yes it is, I'm not your school teacher, figure it out yourself." That translates to "I have nothing to back up my own claims so do your own research, it's there, I swear it is. Just believe me."

See, you don't seem to understand this do you? I mean are you illiterate (I already know you, and Too many can't spell, but can you read at least...)? Americans had everything to do with the Holocaust. Stop your arrogant ramblings, and using the word "ignorance." Seriously, right now that word should not even be in your vocabulary. The American government not only allowed the Holocaust to happen, but there were Americans who assisted the process greatly. If you don't want to take the time to find out, then don't try to debate someone on a topic you cannot understand.

Too many doses you're a complete hypocrite, saying, "they" always use terms like, "big business, elites, oh and one of the oldest ones the bankers," but instead of actually researching the information (because we both know that you don't have a clue about it, as it's easier to poke fun at those who know more on a topic than you, then to actually take some time to do the research yourself) you call it a "conspiracy theory." Stop being little babies, and realize that the government doesn't give a fuck about you, or your family and they are not even in control to say the least. They aren't on your side, so stop being arrogant, uniformed punks. Who run around dismissing what people say, meanwhile you're too lazy to actually take the time to do the research yourself.

It's always personal attacks, but never facts with people like you.

Danashae you cant argue with ignorance

lol

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I find it funny that people like yourself actually think you have the slightest clue about what's going on, but yet, "I'm the ignorant one." Don't you see something wrong with that (of course not, you're just another delusional American, who's been propagated, without a single iota of free-thinking capability)? I mean you're so closed minded that you cant even comprehend this type of information, but yet it's "my ignorance." Open your eyes...

I do not mind being called a "conspiracy theorist" by those who don't mind being called "coincidence theorists." :\
 
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calling someone ignorant for not believing in your crackpot theories is a bit harsh. and by the way, Tim Freeman was quoted as saying that, not Hitler.

the government is not out for our best interest, but the government also isn't out to get us, that's just crazy. do you know what happens when a few thousand people try to strip 300 million peoples rights away? anarchy, it wouldn't work even if they tried. so you should stop being so paranoid, all of you ct's
 
oh yeah, this was posted in the forum

"KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- The U.S. military bombed about 300 tons of poppy seeds in a dusty field in southern Afghanistan Tuesday in a dramatic show of force designed to break up the Taliban's connection to heroin.

The air strike occurred mid-day in Helmand province and was observed by CNN's Ivan Watson, who is embedded with the U.S. Marines operating in that province.

The military dropped a series of 1,000-pound bombs from planes on the mounds of poppy seeds and then followed with strikes from helicopters.

Tony Wayne, with the U.S. State Department, said the strikes on poppy seeds, that can be used to make opium and heroin, is part of a strategy shift for the military to stop the Taliban and other insurgents from profiting from drugs. Watch U.S. military bomb poppy seeds"

do you really think they would supply drugs when they spend billions on ridding of it
 
calling someone ignorant for not believing in your crackpot theories is a bit harsh. and by the way, Tim Freeman was quoted as saying that, not Hitler.

the government is not out for our best interest, but the government also isn't out to get us, that's just crazy. do you know what happens when a few thousand people try to strip 300 million peoples rights away? anarchy, it wouldn't work even if they tried. so you should stop being so paranoid, all of you ct's

Crackpot theories? Please newb, these aren't theories these are facts. Just because you don't want to take the time to do the research, doesn't mean it's a theory. Take the time to read through the thread before you jump in with your nonsense.

lol, I'm paranoid, more ridiculous assumptions from the typical straw man (deter from the argument, by making personal attacks or dubbing everything a conspiracy or making judgments on the person you're arguing with... cliché actions that have failed time and time again). Please, keeping typing with your ass some more, like the rest of these clowns, and let's see if you actually come up with something that's the least bit intelligent.

oh yeah, this was posted in the forum

"KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- The U.S. military bombed about 300 tons of poppy seeds in a dusty field in southern Afghanistan Tuesday in a dramatic show of force designed to break up the Taliban's connection to heroin.

The air strike occurred mid-day in Helmand province and was observed by CNN's Ivan Watson, who is embedded with the U.S. Marines operating in that province.

The military dropped a series of 1,000-pound bombs from planes on the mounds of poppy seeds and then followed with strikes from helicopters.

Tony Wayne, with the U.S. State Department, said the strikes on poppy seeds, that can be used to make opium and heroin, is part of a strategy shift for the military to stop the Taliban and other insurgents from profiting from drugs. Watch U.S. military bomb poppy seeds"

do you really think they would supply drugs when they spend billions on ridding of it

Great logic, no really... seriously, are you that delusional? Of course you are, the typical naive, dense-minded AMURRRICAN. America, FUCK YEAH! So lick my butt, and suck on my balls...
 
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Do your own research, it's right there in front of your eyes.

Fuck yeah, this is legit. American leaders are politicians, they lie to your face; Its there job & what there good at! The shit horrific shit bush did is honestly not known yet at a mainstream level. You think MAINCORE(the cataloging of every USA citizen phone calls, IMs, internet posts etc.) was bad just wait to see what comes out the next decade!


the government is not out for our best interest, but the government also isn't out to get us, that's just crazy.
Kid, its called "capitalism", learn it.

You as a human come way behind profit. If anyone can make money at your expense its fair game in our society. This is why THC is not being used to treat various forms of cancer which it cures & prevents. Much more profit is made(at your expense) unsuccessfully treating cancer with radiation & chemotherapy. These treatments kill everything & dont give your body a chance to heal. Think they care? HAIL NO!

Your a fucking $ sign to them, get over it. Hence why you've been spoon fed propaganda bullshit since birth that the gov. is a "father figure with your best interest in mind watching your back against those bastard commies!"



The military dropped a series of 1,000-pound bombs from planes on the mounds of poppy seeds and then followed with strikes from helicopters.
this does happen, in south america DEA agents have reported being specifically told to spray certain fields with kill spray & leave other huger fields alone.. Hmmmmm. Learn to play "connect the dots" yet buddy?

Pay attention this time, im getting tired of repeating this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGhpVzN0ik8&feature=related


ScienceDaily (Apr. 17, 2007) — The active ingredient in marijuana cuts tumor growth in common lung cancer in half and significantly reduces the ability of the cancer to spread, say researchers at Harvard University who tested the chemical in both lab and mouse studies.
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Just because you don't want to take the time to do the research, doesn't mean it's a theory.
Too bad everyone isnt aware of this fact. Slowly but surely they're beginning to understand.


Of course there's gonna be a lot of "usa eradicates heroin" articles flying about to cover tracks; Who in there right mind with that type of power/influence & a hand in the mainstream media's pocket would let articles about them importing highly illegal substances fly around daily?

Just look at the data not what politicians said.

American's tendency of arrogance/Ignorance has made them the butt of a joke world wide(as verified by Big stro0nz).

WATCH THE DOCUMENTARY LINKED IN THE OP(the last half is really where it starts to get juicy & thats saying a lot since the front end is packed with amazing information as well!).

I wouldn't really enjoy having agents storm up in my chill space & shoot me in the face before leaving a fake "suicide note" so i shouldn't be repeating too much of what i read or learn about it from sources available to the public.

For each Gary archetype that gets killed in this "war" +10 more have and will spring up to take his/her place. Pull harder on the strings of your martyr.

Bush had ties with bin laden through oil & more importantly the heroin trade is something one can learn themselves online after doing research into the drug war subject. Now for those uneducated on the subject Nixon & bush Senior started the "drug war".

Ah-haa, i rather get Homoculi-ed like Major Hughes then shot by some fat corrupt fuckin piggy.





Gary Webb (August 31, 1955 – December 10, 2004) was a prize-winning American investigative journalist.

Webb was best known for his 1996 "Dark Alliance" series of articles written for the San Jose Mercury News and later published as a book. In the three-part series, Webb investigated Nicaraguans linked to the CIA-backed Contras who had allegedly smuggled cocaine into the U.S. which was then distributed as crack cocaine into Los Angeles and funneled profits to the Contras. Webb also alleged that this influx of Nicaraguan supplied cocaine sparked and significantly fueled the widespread crack epidemic that swept through urban areas. According to Webb, the CIA was aware of the cocaine transactions and the large shipments of drugs into the U.S. by the Contra personnel and directly aided drug dealers to raise money for the Contras.

Webb's reporting generated a large controversy and the Mercury News backed away from the story, effectively ending Webb's career as a mainstream media journalist. In 2004, Webb was found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head, which the coroner's office judged a suicide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb
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That's a rather impressive suicide; Two gunshot wounds to the head & the police found a note taped to the door saying call police for help? Hmmm, tsk.. tsk.. tskk...


it is a "conspiracy" alright, and its one against YOU.


con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

I love how many BLers associate this term with negativity & assume that this type of thing doesn't occur. "Durr, it must not be true since the media told me so!" Behavior like this is due to propaganda/brain washing received in there youths or massive head trauma.

*I will not commit suicide*

How the US Government Created the "Drug Problem" in the USA

by Michael E. Kreca

"The bottom line on this whole business has not yet been written."
Dr. Sidney Gottlieb
CIA Technical Services Staff director for the MK-ULTRA program

Eighteenth-century German philosopher Georg Friedrich Hegel long ago developed, among other things, what he called the principle of "thesis, antithesis, synthesis" to explain the process of deliberately enacted social disorder and change as a road to power. To achieve a desired result, one deliberately creates a situation ("thesis,") devises a "solution," to solve the "problems" created by that situation ("antithesis,") with the final result being the ultimate goal of more power and control ("synthesis.") It is unsurprising Karl Marx and his disciples like Lenin and Trotsky, as well as the US government in its so-called War On Drugs, made this process a keystone of their drive for total control of all individual actions that, in their views, were not, in Mussolini s terms, "inside the state" and thus controllable by the same.

In September 1942, OSS director and Army Maj. Gen. William "Wild Bill" Donovan began his search for an effective "truth serum" to be used on POWs and captured spies. Beginning with a budget of $5,000 and the blessing of President Franklin Roosevelt, he enlisted the aid of a few prominent physicians and psychiatrists like George Estabrooks and Harry Murray as well as former Prohibition agent and notorious Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) director Harry Anslinger.

The OSS/FBN team first tested a potent marijuana extract, tetrahydrocannabinol acetate (THCA), a colorless, odorless substance, lacing cigarettes or food items with it, and administering them to volunteer US Army and OSS personnel, all who eventually acquired the nickname "Donovan’s Dreamers." Testing was also conducted under the guise of treatment for shell shock.

Donovan’s team found that THCA, which they termed "TD," for "truth drug," induced "a great loquacity and hilarity," and even, in cases where the subject didn’t feel physically threatened, some useable "reefer madness." Peyote, morphine and scopolamine were judged too powerful to be used in effective interrogation. In light of all this, Donovan concluded, "The drug defies all but the most expert and search analysis, and for all practical purposes can be considered beyond analysis." The OSS did not, however, end the program. By that time, faced with the terrifying ship losses the USA was suffering from German U-boats, Donovan pressed on, hoping to find some effective chemical means to help interrogate captured U-boat sailors.

In May 1943, George Hunter White, an Army captain, OSS officer and former FBN agent, gave standard cigarettes laced with THCA to an unwitting August "Augie Dallas" Del Grazio, an influential New York City gangster. Del Grazio, who had by then had done prison stretches for assault and murder, had been one of the Mafia’s most notorious enforcers and narcotics smugglers. He operated an opium alkaloid factory in Turkey and was a key participant in the long-running Istanbul/Marsellies/NYC heroin pipeline commonly known as the "French Connection." Influenced by the THC, Del Grazio (who was also helping to smuggle spies and Mafiosi into German-occupied Italy) revealed volumes of vital information about underworld operations, including the names of several high ranking city and state officials who took bribes from the Mob. Donovan was encouraged by the results of White’s tests when he wrote, "Cigarette experiments indicated that we had a mechanism offering promise in relaxing prisoners to be interrogated."

Unsurprisingly, the extensive wartime German experiments with various hallucinogenic drugs at the Dachau concentration camp, directed by one Dr. Hubertus Strughold, later honored as "the father of aviation medicine," aroused great interest in the USA especially after an October 1945 Navy technical mission to Dachau reported in detail on Strughold’s work. So great, in fact, that when the OSS and its successor, the CIA, imported 800 German scientists of various specialties under the auspices of the infamous "Project Paperclip" during 1945-55, it made sure to include Dr. Strughold.

Dr. Strughold’s barbaric "medical experiments," for which his subordinates were tried and convicted as war criminals at Nuremburg, were nothing more than a series of bizarre and unspeakably brutal tortures. Even so, he learned a lot about human behavior and mescaline, a natural alkaloid present in the peyote cactus. Mescaline, long central to many Native American religious rituals and first chemically isolated in 1896, is a phenethylamine whose ergoline skeleton is also contained in lysergic acid (a tryptamine.)

Sandoz Labs chemist Dr. Albert Hofmann also discovered a lysergic acid derivative called ergonovine, a medication used to retard excessive postpartum uterine bleeding. Based on his work with ergonovine, Dr. Hofmann first derived d-lysergic acid diethylamide tartrate-25 (LSD, a refined alkaloidal liquid byproduct of a rye fungus, ergot) in a series of experiments in Zurich in 1938. He used the naturally occurring lysergic acid radical, the common item in all ergot alkaloids, as the major component of the substance. Further experiments in this vein yielded psilocybin, derived from the Mexican Psilocybe cubensis mushroom, hydergine, essential today in the improvement of cerebral circulation in geriatric patients, and dihydroergotamine, an important ingredient in blood pressure medication.

The well-read and broadly educated Dr. Hofmann knew ergot had a long natural and cultural history as both medicine and poison. Ancient Greek midwives used to give an ergot-based, gruel-like drink, called kykeon, to their patients about to give birth. Kykeon was also consumed during the autumn Eleusinia, the ancient Greek agricultural festival celebrated in honor of the goddess of agriculture, Demeter. Across the Atlantic, sacramental Maya morning glories, beautifully depicted at the ancient Mayan temple-palace complex at Teotihuacán, Mexico, dating to about 1450, also contain ergot-based alkaloids.

However, the mindset the CIA had in its drug research work was far different from that of Dr. Hofmann’s. To our Cold War spymasters, ex-Nazis like Dr. Strughold were definitely evil, but they were definitely useful as well. This pervasive amoral pragmatism led, of course, to the extensive and notorious MK-ULTRA experiments in which, for nearly 25 years, thousands of everyday Americans, both military and civilian, were heavily dosed with numerous very potent artificial psychoactive drugs, often without their knowledge or consent.

This phenomenon of the obsessive "interests of national security" expediency combined with our celebrity-obsessed pop culture that gleefully raises and shamelessly promotes snake oil hustlers as well as the pharmaceutical industry’s pricey "pill for every ill" philosophy, was a form of incompetence and arrogance far more hazardous than any synthetic alkaloid ever developed and came as no surprise to those like Dr. Hofmann. LSD, invaluable in psychiatric treatment – actor Cary Grant was cured of alcoholism by carefully administered doses of the drug under close medical supervision – is thousands of times more potent than the traditional herbal mixtures. In fact, it is thousands of times more potent than the milder of the entheogenic alkaloids. It is effective at doses of as little as a ten-millionth of a gram, which makes it 5,000 times more potent than mescaline. It should not be taken without training or supervision.

The Navy tested mescaline as part of its 1947-53 Project CHATTER. MK-ULTRA was first organized in 1949 by Richard Helms under the direction of Allen Dulles as Project BLUEBIRD. Two years later, it was renamed ARTICHOKE (after one of Dulles’s favorite foods) then termed MK-ULTRA in 1953, finally becoming MK-SEARCH in 1965 until the program's "official termination" eight years later. MK-ULTRA was directly responsible for the wide underground availability of LSD, phencyclidine (PCP – also called "angel dust"), dimethyltryptamine (DMT), 2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine (STP) and other powerful synthetic psychoactive drugs in the 1960s. In the early 1950s, the CIA and the Army had contacted Sandoz requesting several kilograms of LSD for use in the test program. Dr. Hofmann and Sandoz refused this request, so Director Dulles persuaded the Indianapolis-based pharmaceutical luminary Eli Lilly (later the pioneers of and chief cheerleaders for the widely prescribed antidepressant Prozac) to synthesize the drug contrary to existing international patent accords--making the US government and Lilly the first illegal domestic manufacturers and distributors of LSD.

These were distributed via the agency’s sometime allies in organized crime and through the FBI’s counterintelligence programs (COINTELPROs) directed against various activist groups of the period. The actual definition of the term MK-ULTRA remains unclear but a former Army Special Forces captain, John McCarthy, who ran the CIA’s Saigon-based Operation Cherry which targeted the Cambodian ruler Prince Sihanouk for assassination, claimed that MK-ULTRA stood for "Manufacturing Killers Utilizing Lethal Tradecraft Requiring Assassination."

On April 10, 1953, in a speech at Princeton University, CIA director Allen Dulles (further feeding the already widespread but misguided fear about the high effectiveness of the alleged Chinese "brainwashing" of US POWs in the Korean conflict) warned that the human mind was a "malleable tool," and that the "brain perversion techniques" of the Reds were "so subtle and so abhorrent" that "the brain&becomes a phonograph playing a disc put on its spindle by an outside genius over which it has no control."

Propaganda, in its simplest form, is condemning one’s opponent publicly for doing what one is already doing privately. Dulles, of course, was that very "outside genius." Three days after warning assembled Princetonians of the disturbing ramifications of these techniques, he had directed MK-ULTRA researchers to perfect them. Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, the CIA’s expert on lethal poisons, (who reputedly was the inspiration for director Stanley Kubrick’s bizarre "Dr. Strangelove" character played by Peter Sellers in the 1964 film of the same title) headed up the operation as director of the Chemical Division of the Technical Services Staff and, via a front organization called "The Society For Human Ecology," distributed $25 million in drug research grants to Harvard, Stanford, UC Berkeley and other institutions.

Meanwhile, George Hunter White, of THCA-laced "Lucky Strikes" fame, had returned to the FBN (now the DEA) at war’s end and continued to research behavior modifying drugs. In 1955, when MK-ULTRA was running full throttle, he was a high ranking FBN administrator who helped the Agency develop and implement a similar operation called Midnight Climax. In this infamous scheme, "safehouses" staffed with prostitutes were established in San Francisco. The hookers lured men from local taverns back to these safehouses after their drinks had been previously spiked with LSD. White’s team secretly filmed the subsequent events in each house. The purpose of these so-called "national security brothels" was to enable the CIA to experiment with the use of sex and mind altering drugs to extract information from test subjects, and it was planned, from spies, POWs, defectors and saboteurs.

Midnight Climax was terminated after eight years when CIA Inspector General John Earman charged that "the concepts involved in manipulating human behavior are found by many people within and outside the Agency to be distasteful and unethical." He stated that "the rights and interest of U.S. citizens were placed in jeopardy." Earman further noted LSD "had been tested on individuals at all social levels, high and low, native American and foreign." Richard Helms, MK-ULTRA’s bureaucratic godfather, summarily rebuffed Earman’s charges, claiming that "positive operational capacity to use drugs is diminishing owing to a lack of realistic testing. Tests," Helms continued, "were necessary to keep up with the Soviets." However, Helms reversed himself a year later when testifying before the Warren Commission investigating the JFK assassination, claiming that "Soviet research has consistently lagged five years behind Western research."

Upon retirement from civil service in 1966, White wrote a startling farewell letter to Dr. Gottlieb. He reminisced about his Midnight Climax work. His comments were frightening:

"I was a very minor missionary, actually a heretic, but I toiled wholeheartedly in the vineyards because it was fun, fun, fun. Where else could a red-blooded American boy lie, kill, cheat, steal, rape and pillage with the sanction and blessing of the all-highest?"

Where else indeed, but as a member of what would later become the hypocritical War on (Some) Drugs?

By the end of the 1950s the CIA was funding just about every qualified LSD researcher and psychologist it could find, through such contractors as the Society for the Study of Human Ecology, the Josiah Macy, Jr. Foundation, and the Geschichter Fund for Medical Research. Author John Marks, in his 1975 book, The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, identified the CIA’s LSD research pioneers as:

* Dr. Robert Hyde at Boston Psychopathic Hospital
* Dr. Harold Abramson at Mt. Sinai Hospital and Columbia University in New York City
* Dr. Carl Pfeiffer at the University of Illinois Medical School, Champaign-Urbana
* Dr. Harris Isbell of the NIMH-sponsored Addiction Research Center in Lexington, Ky.
* Dr. Louis Jolyon West at the University of Oklahoma, Stillwater
* Dr. Harold Hodge at the University of Rochester (N.Y.)

However, there were prominent critics of the US government’s activities, the earliest among them being Aldous Huxley, the famed author of the chillingly prescient 1932 novel Brave New World (which described a totalitarian society whose population was completely controlled by forcible administration of a government-mandated "happiness drug" called "soma.") While taking mescaline supplied by famed English surgeon Dr. Humphrey Osmond (who discovered the close similarities between the molecular structures of adrenaline and mescaline), Huxley completed another novel entitled The Doors of Perception in 1954. In that book, the novelist described his intensely personal vision of the world around him:

"I continued to look at the flowers, and in their living light I seemed to detect the qualitative equivalent of breathing – but of a breathing without returns to a starting point, with no recurrent ebbs but only a repeated flow from beauty to heightened beauty, from deeper to ever deeper meaning. Words like ‘grace’ and ‘transfiguration’ came to my mind&Those idiots (MK-ULTRAns) want to be Pavlovians; Pavlov never saw an animal in its natural state, only under duress. The ‘scientific’ LSD boys do the same with their subjects. No wonder they report psychotics."

Obviously, this isn’t a typical CIA spook writing, and, given Huxley’s incredible mind, creative vision and compassion, we’re not talking about a moron or a mental case either. Which means that giving someone mescaline while they’re being tortured or lobotomized or electrocuted at Dachau will only tell you a lot about torture, lobotomies and electrocution, not about mescaline.

As author Marks noted:

It would become supreme irony that the CIA’s enormous search for weapons among drugs – fueled by the hope that spies could control life with genius and machines – would wind up helping to create the wandering, uncontrollable minds of the counterculture."

Admiral’s son and musician Jim Morrison led The Doors, [of Perception] a quartet of Liverpudlians sang of "Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds," while the Rolling Stones dropped transparent hints about "Mother’s Little Helper." To take a lesson from Orwell, what is more important about the 1960s, indeed, about any period in history, is not so much what really happened as how that period is remembered publicly decades later.

The public memories of that particular era were carefully manipulated in great part by the deliberate creation and promotion (via television and the recording industry) of the phony and in reality quite small "drug/rock/hippie subculture." The first underground LSD labs were actually set up by the FBI in 1963 in both New York City and San Francisco. Many began to incorrectly confuse the ancient medical art of herbalism with the shenanigans of amateur basement "flower-power" and "biker" chemists. Overenthusiastic pitchmen like social psychologist Dr. Timothy Leary and Beat poet Allen Ginsberg sadly failed to sufficiently stress that key difference, although the technically competent Leary clearly understood the artificially high potency of LSD.

Leary (and his longtime associate, psychologist Richard Alpert) matured professionally in a CIA-funded research world. In 1948, Leary, then a UC Berkeley graduate student, attended the yearly convention of the left-wing American Veterans’ Council in Milwaukee. There he met CIA officer Cord Meyer. Meyer’s professional specialty was infiltrating and discrediting various organizations deemed "un-American" or "disloyal." Meyer persuaded Leary to help him. Leary acknowledged Meyer’s influence, crediting him with "helping me understand my political-cultural role more clearly."

During 1954-59 Leary was the director of clinical research and psychology at the Kaiser Foundation Hospital in Oakland, Calif. The personality test that made him famous, "The Leary," was actually used by the CIA to test prospective employees. A grad school classmate of Leary’s, CIA contractor Frank Barron, worked with the Berkeley Institute for Personality Assessment and Research, which was funded and staffed by CIA psychologists. In 1960 Barron, with government funding, founded the Harvard Psychedelic Drug Research Center. Leary followed Barron to Harvard, becoming a lecturer in psychology where he remained for three years. Leary’s Harvard associates included former chief OSS psychologist Harry Murray, who had monitored the early OSS "truth serum" experiments, and numerous other knowing CIA contractors. One of Dr. Murray’s many test subjects was a Harvard undergraduate math major named Theodore Kaczynski.

In the spring of 1963, Leary and Alpert left Harvard and founded the International Foundation for Internal Freedom (IFIF) – later renamed the Castalia Foundation – on a 2,500-acre estate in the small upstate New York community of Millbrook. There, the pair of psychologists continued their hallucinogenic drug research and soon became the chief investigative target of an ambitious Dutchess County district attorney named G. Gordon Liddy. Multimillionaire William Mellon Hitchcock generously bankrolled the founding and operation of IFIF/Castalia and later financed a huge black-market LSD manufacturing operation.

Even so, Leary carefully stressed proper mindset, setting and dosages in a book he coauthored with Alpert and Ralph Metzner, The Psychedelic Experience. It was based on an ancient Tibetan shamanic manual, The Book of the Dead. The latter work referred to an herbal tea similar in content to but far less powerful than LSD, and insisted on mental discipline as an inherent part of the process. The Incans of Andean South America, for instance, were an invaluable source of medical knowledge, and used whole herbs like ayahuasca and the coca leaf, not their artificially refined alkaloids, and spiritual technique was also taught as an key part of the process.

However, much like the crusading "drys" before and during Prohibition, the MK-ULTRA inquisitors with their police state mentality in concert with misinformed and emotionally distressed LSD users, had found their "devil drug," (the term used by the Harrison Tax Act advocates in the 1910s and Marijuana Tax Act backers in the 1930s) replete with tragic tales of already emotionally distressed and lonely young people quite unprepared for such an artificially powerful entheogen. It was also well within CIA policy to randomly distribute LSD laced with the lethal poison strychnine so as to create "horror stories" useful as propaganda. Dr. Hofmann himself chemically confirmed the presence of pure strychnine in several random street samples of LSD.

Consistent with its policy of deliberately confusing the beneficial ancient herbs with extremely dangerous synthetic alkaloid derivatives, the CIA surreptitiously distributed of these synthetic compounds, termed "psychedelics," to the public. One of them was STP, originally developed as an incapacitating agent for the Army in 1964 at Dow Chemical. Dow even made the STP formula public information three years later. This potent synthetic put many unsuspecting people on a three-day trip, and sent many, hysterical with anxiety, to the emergency room. That, of course, was the purpose of its distribution.

During 1955-75, the Army tested LSD (termed EA-1729) and PCP on several of its enlisted men at what was then the headquarters of its Chemical Corps, Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland, something described in detail by Bill Kurtis in a televised 1995 A&E Investigative Reports segment titled "Bad Trip to Edgewood." The CIA also tested PCP (in conjunction with electroshock "therapy" and sleep deprivation) at Allain Memorial Institute in Montreal under the direction of the notorious Canadian psychiatrist Dr. Ewen Cameron. The Chemical Corps (whose commander in the 1950s, Lt. General William Creasy, advocated a new military strategy of LSD-based "nonkill warfare") then stockpiled PCP for use as a "nonlethal incapacitant." Excess doses of PCP, reported the CIA, could "lead to convulsions and death." Soon, PCP was flooding the streets.

Edgewood also received an average of 400 product "rejects" a month from major US pharmaceutical firms. These "rejects" were actually drugs found to be commercially useless because of their demonstrated hazards and numerous undesirable side effects. In 1958, Edgewood obtained its first sample of a "reject" called phenylbenzeneacetic acid (BZ) developed by pharmaceutical giant Hoffmann-LaRoche, later known by its street nickname as "brown acid."

BZ (some 10,000 times as powerful as LSD) inhibits the production of hormones which aid the brain’s transfer of messages and instructions across nerve endings (synapses), thereby severely disrupting normal human perceptual, behavioral and sensory patterns. Its effects generally last about three days, although symptoms-migraine headaches, giddiness, disorientation, auditory and visual hallucinations, and erratic if not maniacal behavior – could persist for as long as six weeks. "During the period of acute effects," noted an Army physician, "the person is completely out of touch with his environment." The Army also developed artillery shells and rockets with warheads able to deliver large dosages of BZ to selected targets.

In the summer of 1964, Beat novelist Ken Kesey (the author of One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest and who had been an MK-ULTRA test subject at Stanford along with Allen Ginsberg and Grateful Dead musician Bob Hunter) launched a yearlong cross-country trip in a Day-Glo painted school bus filled with friends called "Merry Pranksters." The Merry Pranksters distributed thousands of doses of LSD along the way (a phenomenon colorfully described in author Tom Wolfe’s 1969 novel, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test) supplied by one Ronald Hadley Stark. Stark (who died in 1984) was a CIA operative fluent in five languages with access to unlimited public funds and numerous high-level contacts in business and government throughout the world.

For instance, when the underground manufacture and distribution of LSD was suddenly derailed in 1969 due to the scarcity of its key ingredient, ergotamine tartrate, and increasing federal law enforcement pressure, Stark, via the Laguna Beach, Calif.-based Brotherhood of Eternal Love, a small group of local surfers led by chemist Nicholas Sand, got it quickly back on track. For five years, Stark, aided by the Castle Bank of the Bahamas (which pioneered the art of money laundering for the Mob) and his contacts in a French pharmaceutical firm, facilitated the mass production and distribution (via the Brotherhood and other groups) an even more powerful strain of LSD nicknamed "orange sunshine." This firm also manufactured BZ. Stark (who operated LSD labs in Brussels and Paris as well) claimed he was going to supply orange sunshine as an offensive weapon to CIA-backed Tibetan rebels fighting the Chinese occupation.

Stark also was a close friend of the Los Angeles founders of a small breakaway Scientology sect called "The Process Church of the Final Judgement," English expatriates Robert DeGrimston Moore and Mary Ann McClean.

Regular attendees of the Process Church included members of the Beach Boys, the Rolling Stones and other prominent pop performers as well as an ex-convict and wannabe rock musician named Charles Manson. Manson and his followers became heavy users of orange sunshine – the trademark "bad acid" of the day – which they were all on when, on Manson’s orders, they carried out the brutal August 1969 Tate-LaBianca murders. When Stark (who is believed to have distributed an estimated 50 million doses of LSD during his Agency career) was arrested for drug trafficking in Bologna in 1975, Italian magistrate Giorgio Floridia ordered his release on the grounds that he had been a CIA agent since 1960. Judge Floridia documented and justified this using a list of Stark’s numerous intelligence contacts.

These were and are all classic government COINTELPRO-style tricks – this is how natural herbs and their mild, pharmaceutical-grade derivatives were quickly and easily made lethal and consequently demonized. How was this done? First, foolish claims were made that there was no difference between safe whole herbs and their potentially deadly ultra-refined alkaloids, next, the best of the traditional herbs and the milder of the pharmaceutical-grade alkaloid derivatives were made unavailable, and finally, the streets were flooded with potentially deadly synthetics. Deliberate perversions of science like angel dust continue to be a great propaganda tool for our diehard drug warriors, and the worn catchall excuse of "the interest of national security" is used to justify appalling covert drug capers ranging from CIA-sponsored heroin production and trafficking in Southeast Asia in the 1960s to the Bush/Clinton/Mena/Nicaragua cocaine-for-arms smuggling schemes in the 1980s.

These Constitution-shredding police state methods were adapted from the Nazis and the Soviets by and large and were applied by the CIA, NSA, DEA, BATF, IRS and FBI against us. Scores of groups, ranging from the American Indian Movement and Black Panthers to militias and religious organizations like the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas (in which the government first falsely charged as illegal methamphetamine dealers in order to get a Posse Comitatus Act waiver to use military force against them) were either disrupted by agents provocateur-style riots, bombings and armed standoffs, smeared in the mainstream news media through the "Reichstag Fire" approach, or, in the case of the Davidians, physically exterminated. The War on Some Drugs is merely a horrible extension and intensification of these tried-and-true Hegelian methods, a "war" in which we all lose.
Short Bibliography

* Bowart, Walter; Operation Mind Control, Dell Publishing, 1978.
* Delgado, Jose, Physical Control of the Mind, Harper, NYC, 1969.
* Huxley, Aldous, The Doors of Perception, Harper, NYC, 1954.
* Lee, Martin; Shalin, Bruce, Acid Dreams, 1986.
* Marchetti, Victor, The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, New York, 1974.
* Marks, John, The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, New York, 1975.
* Masters, Robert & Houston, Jean, The Varieties of Psychedelic Experience: The Classic Guide to the Effects of LSD on the Human Psyche, 2000.
* McCoy, Alfred, The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade, Lawrence Hill, 1972, rev. 1991.
* Meerloo, Joost, The Rape of the Mind, Crowell, NYC, 1956.
* Skinner, B.F., Beyond Freedom and Dignity," Knopf, NYC, 1971
* Smith, Harris R. OSS: The Secret History of America’s First Central Intelligence Agency, Berkeley, 1972.
* Stevens, Jay, Storming Heaven – LSD and the American Dream, 1998.

April 19, 2001

Michael E. Kreca lives in San Diego and has been a financial reporter for Knight-Ridder, Business Week and the Financial Times of London.

Copyright © 2001 LewRockwell.com
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2) Anything in any recent history =/= The Holocaust.

Read the fuck up: The Holocaust Appendices of Deaths. Then after you do, NEVER say something that ignorant again. People deciding to use drugs DOES NOT HAVE ANY EQUALITY to the German prosecution of minorities. Just to throw some numbers out there...

The holocaust killed about 6million jewish people.

Stalin indirectly leveled about 24million of his own people through execution, imprisonment & famine.

After Hitler the bloodiest man in history is the second or third pope who killed droves for practicing Herbology. In the end, the pope was wrong & a doosch bag & the people he killed were right.



There's a bunch more articles verifying this, go check out DiTM & the Old but awesome news story thread to see a paper trail by mainstream sources touching upon the subject as much as they could without getting erased from history or shot/poisoned. (RIP GARY WEB) This man died to bring you the truth, the least you can do is review the story he broke that ended his life.


Always protect the Freedom Of Speech.



Everybody wants to sit around and let the world pass them by; thinking everything that's going on in the world is "supposed" to be that way, and problems fix themselves. In spite of the fact that the same agenda that has been taking place for a long time slowly unfolds and yet, the only regurgitated verbal diarrhea that comes out of your mouth is, "oh conspiracy theories."
This kat is on da fucking ball MAJOR! (salutes)
 
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Havent read this post in a while lol....

Well, The USA has never had anything comparable to the holocaust contextually... BUT lets consider the following, please not I live in the US and do not believe my countries government to be much better then any communist or nazi regime of the past.

1.) Hiroshima and Nagasaki, precise numbers of people killed exist but including those who died of irradiation after is hard to factor in

2.) Between 90-100,000 deaths so far in Iraq, If horrible, evil Saddam was still around imagine how many of them would be alive

3.) Vietnam.....

The Germans are nothing special and neither are Americans, we are just as capable of the things they did in WWII. The fact that people believe America is the white knight of the world is sickening.
 
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