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The travel thread

felix said:
i did my round the world holiday on my own. i wouldn't swap that experience for anything, but it definitely would have been more enjoyable with someone else (the right person, that is.)

it's great to share things with other people and talk about the experience years later. and having someone else around tends to motivate you into doing more.

but travelling alone allows you to be selfish. there's no pressure to do things you don't want to do.

so if you're doing a bit of both, you'll experience the pros and cons. there's nothing to worry about, you'll be free to be as selfish as you want, plus it's character building. ;)

my biggest regret is that i was too introverted to actually speak to people and make the most of it. this was in my pre-druggie days...

You've just been itching to use that in conversation
 
Ooooo, a travel thread! How did I miss this?

Like I said in the other thread, I'm setting off in January for New Zealand (possibly via NYC) then on to Australia, Indonesia, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, Japan, China, Nepal & India. I'm finally going to be utilising my zoology degree for something worthwhile & am going to be doing some voluntary work in an elephant shelter in Thailand, a bear rescue centre in Cambodia & hopefully, fingers crossed, a tiger conservation project in India. It's difficult to convey just how much of a dream this last one is for me, but the difficulty I've had is in giving them a firm date for when I'll be wanting to do it.

The same goes for planning in general really. I want to leave the whole thing as open & flexible as possible but just pitching up to a conservation project as & when I feel like it isn't really feasible. China & India, for example, are vast countries & I anticipate spending a good few months in each, but as India is the last stop on my trip I know not neither when I'll first set foot there nor how long I'll stay once I do. As it gets closer to the time I expect these things will start to settle in my mind a little more. I've given myself a time frame of around two years for the whole trip because as duck_racer alluded to, charging around & trying to cram as much as possible in as short a space of time as you can will mean that so many things will pass you by.

Since finishing uni I've saved a colossal amount of money to fund it all, partly through fortune of circumstance but mostly through hard graft & an almost ascetic lifestyle. This has had both its pros & cons.

On the downside my social life has gone from the swirling maelstrom of drug-fuelled abandon that it was at uni to an at times mind-numbingly mundane routine of work, work, some more work & ummm, what was it? Oh yeah, more work. I've changed jobs to keep myself on my toes, done as much weekend voluntary work as I can, devoured books like a fucking demon to keep my mind active & spent so much spare time writing that I may as well have a pen grafted on to my right hand, so a feeling of stagnation has just been kept at bay, but it's been cut fine at times. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that my social life has been almost non-existent, especially this past year.

On the upside it's brought into sharp focus just who my real friends are & made me appreciate them all the more for it. It's meant that my health & general fitness have increased ten-fold & a general sense of physical well-being has followed in their wake. It's also conformed in my mind once & for all that a) if you're young, free & single it is entirely possible to save a large amount of money if you really set your mind to it & b) a life relatively free of material possessions makes for a far lighter ride.

As regards travelling alone, I think as with just about anything else it's dependent on the individual. Some people cannot bear the thought of doing anything on their lonesome, while others relish the opportunity. I fall into the latter camp & will unashamedly say that the thought of being my own master in a foreign land with no one having any idea just where I am is pure bliss. Maybe if I get stabbed & am lying in a pool of my own blood down a Bangkok backstreet I may reconsider this statement, but I've always been perfectly happy with my own company. What's important is to be open to meeting new people at all times & by all accounts the opportunity for this to occur when travelling is like no other.

This whole escapade has been about ten years in the making, no word of a lie, & as the first glimpses of light appear at the end of the tunnel what do I feel?

Trepidation, certainly. It's going to be a fucking long journey both in time & distance to places that have a culture completely alien to anything I've ever experienced, & there are bound to be hiccups along the way. But then that's a large part of the appeal. Placing yourself in a situation that demands you deal with it & draw on reserves that you didn't know you had is how you grow as a person. Trite clichés are all but impossible to avoid (especially the way I write) when talking about this, but I never fail to get pissed off with people who scoff whenever the notion of a journey of self-discovery rears its head. Of course you're going to discover something within yourself during such an experience - even if it was buried within you all along it still needed to be excavated, & that's the appeal.

But more than trepidation I feel an overwhelmingly intoxicating sense of excitement & hope. Excitement at the prospects of all the many things I know I'm going to do & hope for all the many more that will come unannounced. In the last week I've been exchanging PMs on here with someone who is embarking on a similar journey to mine in the same month as me, & I cannot begin to tell you the size of the smile that sits on my face when conversing with someone who knows what that feeling of excitement is like.

And if you've got this far (well done!) in what should really have been a journal entry & you happen to be one of those people who's considered going travelling but have never done anything about it I say: fucking do it! Stop making excuses & putting it off till a day that will never come.

One last trite cliché? Yeah, why not:

"Then indecision brings its own delays,
And days are lost lamenting over lost days.
Are you in earnest? Seize this very minute;
What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it;
Boldness has genius, power and magic in it."
 
Your trip sounds great mate. These volunteering projects you're doing I hope you're not paying huge amounts of cash for the pleasure as I know there are lots of companies out there who make you pay a fortune for it when they can be done much cheaper and for next to nothing if you just find the right company / people or contact the people who run the projects direct.
 
Nah, I was lucky enough to make some good contacts via my lecturers at uni, so they're reputable projects & organisations. You do make a good point though as I've had friends that felt a bit short-changed having handed over quite large amounts of money for such things. It pays to do some background research in that field, definitely.
 
I find it quite shocking that in some cases you need to pay extortionate sums of money to volunteer. It should really be free in most cases with the volunteer covering their own costs.
 
Yeh, Real Gap and other gap year companies charge about £4-6000 to spend 6 months on some elephant reserve

I'm making sure I'm getting a load of travelling done before uni because I know I'll be in so much debt afterwards that I'll never get around to travelling, and when I have enough money, the job that provides that will be too high powered for such activities.. for the first couple of years or so anyway.
 
TheSpade said:
I find it quite shocking that in some cases you need to pay extortionate sums of money to volunteer. It should really be free in most cases with the volunteer covering their own costs.

Any evidence for this? I'd assumed higher costs were due to more expensive / ambitious projects.. There's only so much money that can be made waving a collection tin - it's much easier to charge whitey a few thousand extra for the privilege of feeling better about his soul for a week or two..

Not sure about all countries but you will find countless charity/relief projects in Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia and India. Depending on what your skills are just turn up and get involved :)


Both Pinhole Star and SHM's trips sound absolutely amazing and I'm green with envy! There might well be a period in the near future where I could take time out from career things and the possibilities for a longer adventure start to open up.. Now if only I could find a place in South America where I could practice biochemistry like Alberto Granado in The Motorcycle Diaries =D My plan would br start at Mexico and finish in Argentina/Chile and I think I'd give it 6 months. Desperately want to go to Belize and I have friends/contacts in Ecuador, Honduras, Uruguay and Brazil.. Ahh you have to love pipe dreams ;)
 
eDDe9 said:
Yeh, Real Gap and other gap year companies charge about £4-6000 to spend 6 months on some elephant reserve

I'm making sure I'm getting a load of travelling done before uni because I know I'll be in so much debt afterwards that I'll never get around to travelling, and when I have enough money, the job that provides that will be too high powered for such activities.. for the first couple of years or so anyway.


I like your optimism! I had a very similar attitude when I went traveling after Uni. I had invested my student loans rather wisely and managed to pay for Uni and still retain my initial stake. I should have given it back after I left, but instead I decided to go away for a year and a half through India, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia, Australia, back to Laos (I love this place) then home. I figured that being the well qualified graduate genius that I was, companies would be fighting to get me on board and pay me a fortune. Not so much. Only just paid it off now (7 years on!). Anyway, you'll have a blinding time. I think you're wise to be bulking up before you go too. I got so badly poisoned in India that I ate nothing for over 7 days and lost about 2 stone. Still, halcyon days!
 
duck_racer said:
Any evidence for this? I'd assumed higher costs were due to more expensive / ambitious projects.. There's only so much money that can be made waving a collection tin - it's much easier to charge whitey a few thousand extra for the privilege of feeling better about his soul for a week or two..

Not sure about all countries but you will find countless charity/relief projects in Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia and India. Depending on what your skills are just turn up and get involved :)

Any evidence for what? :\

There are companies which take thousands of pounds from people who want to volunteer when volunteering should be free. There are websites all over the internet that charge a fortune to do conservation projects, working with kids etc etc when if you do a bit more searching around you'll find that you can actually work on the same project for free as long as you cover your costs or you pay a small monthly fee which covers your accomodation, food etc.

There's no sense in volunteering costing big bucks, you're doing the company / people involved a favour by wanting to help out, it shouldn't be expensive. No one should be paying to do charity work.
 
TheSpade said:
Any evidence for what? :\

There are companies which take thousands of pounds from people who want to volunteer when volunteering should be free. There are websites all over the internet that charge a fortune to do conservation projects, working with kids etc etc when if you do a bit more searching around you'll find that you can actually work on the same project for free as long as you cover your costs or you pay a small monthly fee which covers your accomodation, food etc.

There's no sense in volunteering costing big bucks, you're doing the company / people involved a favour by wanting to help out, it shouldn't be expensive. No one should be paying to do charity work.

It depends entirely how the charity work is funded. I'm not expecting a fuckwit like you to actually be able to understand, but charitable organisations rely on finance to drive their projects. Hell, even some of them have employees who get paid.

Some friends of mine worked on a three months project developing eco-tourism in Belize and had to cough up £6k each. For this the money provided them with accommodation, food and also helped to pay for building materials, equipment, etc in order to sort out the buildings. Even the basic teaching organisations in SE Asia ask for donations when you are out there on top of your help.

Charity is expensive.
 
Well done, you used the insult 'fuckwit'. Very intelligent. 8)

You seem to get off on following me around the board and throwing silly little insults at me. Get a grip.

You think you know it all about anything and everything. Doesn't matter what the subject is, you've been, there, done that and bought the t-shirt and know more about it than everyone else eh? Sure you do. ;)

I'm not even talking about genuine charities needing donations to cover volunteer costs etc I'm talking about the companies like 'Real Gap' etc which charge you astronomical sums of money. These companies are making profits from people wanting to volunteer and do charity work and it's not right. Especially when people can contact the projects / chartities themselves direct, bypassing Real Gap or whoever and do the same projects or work for the same charities.

If you can't see that this is wrong then maybe it's you who's the 'fuckwit'?
 
No, but accusing companies of ripping people off in the name of charity is a pretty serious one IMO. I asked you if you had any evidence for this and you didn't.

COmpanies like realgap offer the security that you are on a managed project where all the organisational side of things is taken away and all you have to do is turn up and do as you are told. It isn't really for me, probably not for you but some people would enjoy this. Hell, perhaps without all the bullshit organisational stuff you mgiht be able to dedicate more time to actually planning to help people. I don't know, I haven't done it. Having had a look on realgap they offer some projects that might be hard to find, certainly if you're motivated to do something but don't know where to start.. Having everything organised for you to go live in Ghana for 6 months helping HIV sufferers will cost about £5 a day - not bad considering they organise the trip for you and are probably paying in part for the project - certainly the management side of things.

Volunteering isn't free. Organising shit takes time, people and money. Projects to actually achieve things don't appear out of thin air. It costs money. Surely not too difficult a concept to get your head around considering you studied events management?

And no, i'm not following you around. Travel and volunteering both interest me having had some minor experience in both (mainly volunteering). Don't flatter yourself.
 
The evidence I have is that I've seen the same projects being offered on certain websites for thousands of pounds being offered on others for no cost or where the volunteer just covers their expenses. Now you're going to ask me to prove it aren't you? Well you'll need to give me a bit of time on that because I don't know exactly which websites off by hand but I'll have a look.

Also I've read countless reports on various travel / volunteering / gap year websites from people who have worked on various projects who are either furious that they paid £2,000 (excluding flights etc) for the privelege when some of the people who they were working side by side with paid nothing (by doing it direct / not using a rip off company) or who are extremely happy as they paid nothing and everyone else paid a fortune.

Most of the people's experiences that I've read about say that you pay £2,000 or whatever and basically all you get for your money is 24hr phone support from the company if you have any queries or something happens to go wrong. Not worth it.

You're right that it may be hard for someone to organise a trip to Ghana to help HIV sufferers for 6 months if they need to sort everything out themselves but there are genuine companies out there which will sort out everything that needs to be sorted for you, meet you when you arrive, take you to where you need to go, sort out accomodation and food, look after you etc but only charge enough to cover costs as they are doing it because they genuinely beleive in the project / charity not as a money making scheme.

My point is that it doesn't have to and shouldn't be expensive to volunteer. It should be FREE in the sense that no fee is paid to do it (donations are fine) and the volunteer covers their own costs. Basically all Real Gap for example offer is airport transfer, accomodation and meals and support which you tend to get anyway from the companies who aren't charging through the roof and / or the charities themselves.

Real Gap etc charge lots of money because they are designed to make a profit and take advantage of the people who don't know any better. That is shocking no matter how you look at it.
 
TheSpade said:
Real Gap etc charge lots of money because they are designed to make a profit and take advantage of the people who don't know any better. That is shocking no matter how you look at it.

Company in 'providing a service to consumer and making money shocker' ;)

I'm still of the opinion that organising all that stuff takes a lot of planning and if you are sort who doesn't like doing it then they offer a good service.. And some parents of 17 year olds heading off into the middle of Africa it's some comfort knowing it's with an organisation that provides phone support and have the clout to sort any problems out.

It's not for everyone but I don't really see why it's so shocking.

What are you expecting? Medicines Sans Frontiers? :D
 
People who want to help folk in Ghana with aids are being exploited and forced to turn over vast sums of money in order to do so. That's shocking to me.

Even if you don't like planning there are better ways to do it than Real Gap. There are websites out there that list projects that can be done for free, a small donation or just enough to cover expenses and nearly all those projects and charities provide everything Real Gap does in terms of organisation from picking you up at the airport, helping you settle in, sorting out your accomodation etc.

So while Real Gap may provide a good service in terms of organisation / planning they also charge an arm and a leg for it where as if people are willing to look that little bit harder and do a little more research they'll get everything Real Gap offers for a fraction of the price.

Real Gap aren't needed. People just need to put a tiny bit of work in and by work I mean use a search engine and find the right websites / companies. It's really not difficult.
 
can anyone help me find cheap flights? I'm a bit of a div when it comes to searching the net, sta travel is the cheapest i've found so far but I'm sure there must be cheaper.
from anywhere in uk (pref newcastle but ne where if its cheap) to New York.
Going about 28th august coming back about 28th November.
 
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