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Without any kind of measuring equipment, it’s easy to separate the pile of powder into 1/2, then 1/2 again. Kind of like doing lines of cocaine. I actually used a razor blade. The worst part for me was licking the plate clean.

The tissue paper idea is great! The other thing that actually worked for me was to recycle the empty capsules for use discreetly in public. Pour out the powder, separate into two piles, use one nasty pile of powder right now, put the unused 1/2 BACK into the capsule and mark it with a sharpie for easy identification later. That way you have a pre-measured 1/2 that is easy to use at work or wherever.
 
Squeaky said:
Without any kind of measuring equipment, it’s easy to separate the pile of powder into 1/2, then 1/2 again. Kind of like doing lines of cocaine. I actually used a razor blade. The worst part for me was licking the plate clean.

The tissue paper idea is great! The other thing that actually worked for me was to recycle the empty capsules for use discreetly in public. Pour out the powder, separate into two piles, use one nasty pile of powder right now, put the unused 1/2 BACK into the capsule and mark it with a sharpie for easy identification later. That way you have a pre-measured 1/2 that is easy to use at work or wherever.
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A sharpie pen, that's the answer!
I've been thinking I'll take a bottle of something herbal & innocent, on my travels, in capsules and make some of those capsules more interesting, but I need to tell them apart, cheers for that.
Licking everything clean, great habit, no probs with that, but the thought of licking razor blades is like watching a horror movie!
Very pictorial thought process, although I've most likely done it myself at some time :rolleyes:
 
And if you can manage it, I believe licking the plate with the underside of your tongue is more effective and avoids taste buds ;)
 
Squeaky said:
Have you ever considered a change in diet? Maybe something like a plant based diet? I’m no vegan but I know my whole digestive tract feels healthier when I stop with the McDonald’s and CokaCola.
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McDonalds and Coca Cola are total junk food.But may be,because of all additives they put in they taste good
 
I've read thru quite a bit of this thread from the beginning. So hello! A bit of my drug story with some tapering involved:

I've always been a bit of a druggie. In 1980 I was imprisoned in Rhode Island for selling like a dime bag of pot to a cop. Turns out it was a big sting operation which made it to TV and everything! Kind of sick what lengths LE will go to appear like they're doing something -- the War On Drugs indeed! After I got out of Prison, I started a career in computer programming and eventually got into computer and console games. I did like a 20 year stretch pretty much drug free -- not really from lack of desire to do drugs but I moved to California and most people I knew didn't use. I think a did acid 1 time at a Grateful Dead concert and I had a few months doing Qualludes where the guy I knew from work I was getting it from shot and killed himself and that was that over the 20 years. I'm 65 now and retired since 2015.

Always loved the opiates. Around 2003 I found you could get dried poppy pods over the Internet and started a heavy poppy pod tea daily use habit. In around 2005 I had gotten so tired of waking up sick everyday and the awful taste of the tea I decided to quit CT. After about a week of absolutely horrendous WDs (the tea contains Morphine, Codeine, and all kinds of alkaloids from the poppy pods and I've heard the WDs can be worse than a heroin kick and can last far longer) and I went into the hospital where I was first introduced to Suboxone. I started out on 2mg orange tabs a day. Over the ensuing years I've had many different Suboxone doctors up until the present day. I took up to 8mg/day but eventually tapered back down to 2mg again. I didn't really have any problems from this taper. I've always told the doctors I take a lot more Suboxone than I actually take (which remains about 2mg/day). So, over time, I've built up a huge stash of 8mg tabs, 8mg strips and 2mg tabs.

Around 2015 I tried getting off the Suboxone when I went into detox for my PCP daily habit (I blacked out while driving on the freeway on PCP, crashed my car -- fortunately no-one was hurt -- and woke up in the hospital and in the police report they thought I had a stroke). I found the Suboxone WDs started kicking in around day 3. It got pretty bad so I gave up the Suboxone kick, left detox prematurely, and went back on Suboxone up until the present day.

This past week I was in jail for a few days (I had another incident while intoxicated on PCP again) and had no Suboxone. I got out and decided I'd just not take any Suboxone and see what happens. It's now been 8 days and absolutely no WDs! I think I'm in the clear! I have no explanation for this. It's weird and unexpected.

I've dumped all PCP in the house. I'm never taking it again. I don't have cravings for anything right now. My plan is I might pop a Suboxone every now and again to catch a bit of a buzz -- daily use you eventually don't feel anything so I don't think this will be a problem -- and maybe I'll take some XTC every once in a while (not really habit forming for me) -- and that's about it. I'll probably continue to see my Suboxone doctor for a bit just to build my stash up a little more, but eventually I'll stop going.

One final note: I've been on Gabapentin for years (I currently take 800mg at night for sleep). Every so often I've stopped taking it and never experienced any WDs or need to taper. I've read in this thread people coming off of Gabapentin having WDs. Never knew that was a problem. I guess I'm just lucky.
 
sedgewick1 said:
I've read thru quite a bit of this thread from the beginning. So hello! A bit of my drug story with some tapering involved:

I've always been a bit of a druggie. In 1980 I was imprisoned in Rhode Island for selling like a dime bag of pot to a cop. Turns out it was a big sting operation which made it to TV and everything! Kind of sick what lengths LE will go to appear like they're doing something -- the War On Drugs indeed! After I got out of Prison, I started a career in computer programming and eventually got into computer and console games. I did like a 20 year stretch pretty much drug free -- not really from lack of desire to do drugs but I moved to California and most people I knew didn't use. I think a did acid 1 time at a Grateful Dead concert and I had a few months doing Qualludes where the guy I knew from work I was getting it from shot and killed himself and that was that over the 20 years. I'm 65 now and retired since 2015.

Always loved the opiates. Around 2003 I found you could get dried poppy pods over the Internet and started a heavy poppy pod tea daily use habit. In around 2005 I had gotten so tired of waking up sick everyday and the awful taste of the tea I decided to quit CT. After about a week of absolutely horrendous WDs (the tea contains Morphine, Codeine, and all kinds of alkaloids from the poppy pods and I've heard the WDs can be worse than a heroin kick and can last far longer) and I went into the hospital where I was first introduced to Suboxone. I started out on 2mg orange tabs a day. Over the ensuing years I've had many different Suboxone doctors up until the present day. I took up to 8mg/day but eventually tapered back down to 2mg again. I didn't really have any problems from this taper. I've always told the doctors I take a lot more Suboxone than I actually take (which remains about 2mg/day). So, over time, I've built up a huge stash of 8mg tabs, 8mg strips and 2mg tabs.

Around 2015 I tried getting off the Suboxone when I went into detox for my PCP daily habit (I blacked out while driving on the freeway on PCP, crashed my car -- fortunately no-one was hurt -- and woke up in the hospital and in the police report they thought I had a stroke). I found the Suboxone WDs started kicking in around day 3. It got pretty bad so I gave up the Suboxone kick, left detox prematurely, and went back on Suboxone up until the present day.

This past week I was in jail for a few days (I had another incident while intoxicated on PCP again) and had no Suboxone. I got out and decided I'd just not take any Suboxone and see what happens. It's now been 8 days and absolutely no WDs! I think I'm in the clear! I have no explanation for this. It's weird and unexpected.

I've dumped all PCP in the house. I'm never taking it again. I don't have cravings for anything right now. My plan is I might pop a Suboxone every now and again to catch a bit of a buzz -- daily use you eventually don't feel anything so I don't think this will be a problem -- and maybe I'll take some XTC every once in a while (not really habit forming for me) -- and that's about it. I'll probably continue to see my Suboxone doctor for a bit just to build my stash up a little more, but eventually I'll stop going.

One final note: I've been on Gabapentin for years (I currently take 800mg at night for sleep). Every so often I've stopped taking it and never experienced any WDs or need to taper. I've read in this thread people coming off of Gabapentin having WDs. Never knew that was a problem. I guess I'm just lucky.
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Welcome.
Sounds familiar in a way, as you may have read I moved from pod tea to more fast acting opiates, panicked at how my brain reacted (with much love) and tried to quit everything together and ended back on buprenorphine (slow release patch rather than subs).
If you have no withdrawal from subs, wow, don't let that one slip away, unless you really want to of course.
And building that stash by not taking as much as the doctor thinks you're taking? This thread is all about that too, lol.

Edit, more of a PS, I thought bupe was no problem the first year I was on it, I could take it or leave it to a certain extent and the reason was I was still taking so much else.
 
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McDonalds and Coca Cola are total junk food.But may be,because of all additives they put in they taste good
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I’m sure it has to do with the chemical seasonings McD’s uses to cover up the fact that they buy the cheapest meat on the planet, freeze it for up to 10 years, and then try to trick us with words like “fresh cracked eggs”..... Those eggs were fresh cracked from a dead chicken, in 2010!
Ever notice they call it a “Vanilla Cone”? They can’t call it ‘ice cream’ because it’s not milk.
 
sedgewick1 said:
I've read thru quite a bit of this thread from the beginning. So hello! A bit of my drug story with some tapering involved:

I've always been a bit of a druggie. In 1980 I was imprisoned in Rhode Island for selling like a dime bag of pot to a cop. Turns out it was a big sting operation which made it to TV and everything! Kind of sick what lengths LE will go to appear like they're doing something -- the War On Drugs indeed! After I got out of Prison, I started a career in computer programming and eventually got into computer and console games. I did like a 20 year stretch pretty much drug free -- not really from lack of desire to do drugs but I moved to California and most people I knew didn't use. I think a did acid 1 time at a Grateful Dead concert and I had a few months doing Qualludes where the guy I knew from work I was getting it from shot and killed himself and that was that over the 20 years. I'm 65 now and retired since 2015.

Always loved the opiates. Around 2003 I found you could get dried poppy pods over the Internet and started a heavy poppy pod tea daily use habit. In around 2005 I had gotten so tired of waking up sick everyday and the awful taste of the tea I decided to quit CT. After about a week of absolutely horrendous WDs (the tea contains Morphine, Codeine, and all kinds of alkaloids from the poppy pods and I've heard the WDs can be worse than a heroin kick and can last far longer) and I went into the hospital where I was first introduced to Suboxone. I started out on 2mg orange tabs a day. Over the ensuing years I've had many different Suboxone doctors up until the present day. I took up to 8mg/day but eventually tapered back down to 2mg again. I didn't really have any problems from this taper. I've always told the doctors I take a lot more Suboxone than I actually take (which remains about 2mg/day). So, over time, I've built up a huge stash of 8mg tabs, 8mg strips and 2mg tabs.

Around 2015 I tried getting off the Suboxone when I went into detox for my PCP daily habit (I blacked out while driving on the freeway on PCP, crashed my car -- fortunately no-one was hurt -- and woke up in the hospital and in the police report they thought I had a stroke). I found the Suboxone WDs started kicking in around day 3. It got pretty bad so I gave up the Suboxone kick, left detox prematurely, and went back on Suboxone up until the present day.

This past week I was in jail for a few days (I had another incident while intoxicated on PCP again) and had no Suboxone. I got out and decided I'd just not take any Suboxone and see what happens. It's now been 8 days and absolutely no WDs! I think I'm in the clear! I have no explanation for this. It's weird and unexpected.

I've dumped all PCP in the house. I'm never taking it again. I don't have cravings for anything right now. My plan is I might pop a Suboxone every now and again to catch a bit of a buzz -- daily use you eventually don't feel anything so I don't think this will be a problem -- and maybe I'll take some XTC every once in a while (not really habit forming for me) -- and that's about it. I'll probably continue to see my Suboxone doctor for a bit just to build my stash up a little more, but eventually I'll stop going.

One final note: I've been on Gabapentin for years (I currently take 800mg at night for sleep). Every so often I've stopped taking it and never experienced any WDs or need to taper. I've read in this thread people coming off of Gabapentin having WDs. Never knew that was a problem. I guess I'm just lucky.
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Welcome Sedgwick,
You have had one hell of a long journey. I have only seen documentaries about PCP, never known anyone who has even tried using it. I do know that it has been used therapeutically for everything from depression to addiction. I’m wondering if it has something to do with your lack of withdrawals. PCP has been so vilified in the USA that the only real information about it’s potentially positive effects has to come from people with real experience using it. The so-called ‘experts’ are usually full of crap.
 
papercuts said:
If you have no withdrawal from subs, wow, don't let that one slip away, unless you really want to of course.
And building that stash by not taking as much as the doctor thinks you're taking? This thread is all about that too, lol.
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I'm just flummoxed I have no WDs from the Suboxone jump now. When I tried getting off them in 2015 the WDs where horrible, No real cravings for opiates anymore but I might pop a Suboxone every now and then to catch a buzz. When I first started on the Suboxone I could definitely feel the opi buzz for a while but that eventually went away. But, yeah, now that I seem to be free from it I have no desire to get that monkey on my back again

Opiates and PCP are (were) my DOCs. When I first tried the poppy pod tea I knew I was going to be in trouble. It felt like popping a couple of percs but it lasted like 24 hrs. PCP I was first introduced to in college when my biochemistry roommate made like a liter of the stuff (enough for several people to last a lifetime). In small, controlled carefully measured doses its wonderful for lifting depression and just making you feel good with a lot of creative energy (I play guitar and its just great for that). Eventually I stopped all drugs for like a 20-25 stretch until I discovered research chemical PCP analogues in 2015 you could get over the net. It was great for a while on the analogues but it started getting out of control and I went into numerous blackouts. My most recent blackout last week I apparently started calling my wife a crazy bitch and started hitting her. She called the cops and it landed me in county jail a few days (what a fucking hell hole!). When she bailed me out I dumped all the PCP in the house and have no plans to go back to it.

Tapering is a hard road as this thread indicates. I could never really do it with the poppy tea and just had to CT the stuff. I managed to taper Suboxone from 8mgs down to 2 but that's about it. Opiates are so seductive at first but once you've got the monkey on your back your life can be ruined. I was lucky there was something like Suboxone which I've been on for like 15 years. My PCP use has left me with a suspended driver's license for the last year (I don't know if I can ever get it back) and a court date next month. As the character on South Park says: drugs are bad mkay? (well, not really. If you can control them they can be great, but if you can't you'll wind up here in the Dark Side :) ).
 
sedgewick1 said:
I've read thru quite a bit of this thread from the beginning. So hello! A bit of my drug story with some tapering involved:

I've always been a bit of a druggie. In 1980 I was imprisoned in Rhode Island for selling like a dime bag of pot to a cop. Turns out it was a big sting operation which made it to TV and everything! Kind of sick what lengths LE will go to appear like they're doing something -- the War On Drugs indeed! After I got out of Prison, I started a career in computer programming and eventually got into computer and console games. I did like a 20 year stretch pretty much drug free -- not really from lack of desire to do drugs but I moved to California and most people I knew didn't use. I think a did acid 1 time at a Grateful Dead concert and I had a few months doing Qualludes where the guy I knew from work I was getting it from shot and killed himself and that was that over the 20 years. I'm 65 now and retired since 2015.

Always loved the opiates. Around 2003 I found you could get dried poppy pods over the Internet and started a heavy poppy pod tea daily use habit. In around 2005 I had gotten so tired of waking up sick everyday and the awful taste of the tea I decided to quit CT. After about a week of absolutely horrendous WDs (the tea contains Morphine, Codeine, and all kinds of alkaloids from the poppy pods and I've heard the WDs can be worse than a heroin kick and can last far longer) and I went into the hospital where I was first introduced to Suboxone. I started out on 2mg orange tabs a day. Over the ensuing years I've had many different Suboxone doctors up until the present day. I took up to 8mg/day but eventually tapered back down to 2mg again. I didn't really have any problems from this taper. I've always told the doctors I take a lot more Suboxone than I actually take (which remains about 2mg/day). So, over time, I've built up a huge stash of 8mg tabs, 8mg strips and 2mg tabs.

Around 2015 I tried getting off the Suboxone when I went into detox for my PCP daily habit (I blacked out while driving on the freeway on PCP, crashed my car -- fortunately no-one was hurt -- and woke up in the hospital and in the police report they thought I had a stroke). I found the Suboxone WDs started kicking in around day 3. It got pretty bad so I gave up the Suboxone kick, left detox prematurely, and went back on Suboxone up until the present day.

This past week I was in jail for a few days (I had another incident while intoxicated on PCP again) and had no Suboxone. I got out and decided I'd just not take any Suboxone and see what happens. It's now been 8 days and absolutely no WDs! I think I'm in the clear! I have no explanation for this. It's weird and unexpected.

I've dumped all PCP in the house. I'm never taking it again. I don't have cravings for anything right now. My plan is I might pop a Suboxone every now and again to catch a bit of a buzz -- daily use you eventually don't feel anything so I don't think this will be a problem -- and maybe I'll take some XTC every once in a while (not really habit forming for me) -- and that's about it. I'll probably continue to see my Suboxone doctor for a bit just to build my stash up a little more, but eventually I'll stop going.

One final note: I've been on Gabapentin for years (I currently take 800mg at night for sleep). Every so often I've stopped taking it and never experienced any WDs or need to taper. I've read in this thread people coming off of Gabapentin having WDs. Never knew that was a problem. I guess I'm just lucky.
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Just because I’m curious. Your username ‘Sedgwick’.... is it related to the disability management company in the USA?
 
Squeaky said:
Welcome Sedgwick,
You have had one hell of a long journey. I have only seen documentaries about PCP, never known anyone who has even tried using it. I do know that it has been used therapeutically for everything from depression to addiction. I’m wondering if it has something to do with your lack of withdrawals. PCP has been so vilified in the USA that the only real information about it’s potentially positive effects has to come from people with real experience using it. The so-called ‘experts’ are usually full of crap.
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Hey man, I've read a lot of your posts! You go way way back on this thread. Hope you're doing ok. Curious: you've never tried getting on Suboxone?

So yeah PCP has a really bad rap. I'd say most people who've done it get it as angel dust on dipped cigarets (sherms) and they have no idea how much they're taking and they become crazy mad (like me who was even trying to carefully measure it). The dosage response curve for PCP is hugely steep. For example, when I had pure PCP liquid in college we used to measure it out in micro liters with a pipette. 2 micro liters (which is almost nothing) was a very nice controlled dose which gave a huge mood lift with a lot of creative energy. But, you start getting into even something as small as the 6-8 micro liter range (again almost nothing) and above you begin to get into loss of control territory and blackouts.

Yeah, so called "experts" really have no clue. Unless you've actually tried it you have no clue. Dissociatives (PCP, Ketamine and the like) have such a huge potential for good (treating depression, WDs and much more). But they're so tricky to administer it's just not possible for the uninitiated to use properly. I've tried Ketamine infusion (at $500+ for a session feggatabout it), Now the Ketamine nasal spray is starting to get prescribed for depression so maybe some headway is getting made.

In my experience dissociatives can help a lot to ease opiate WDs, but its not a cure. I have no idea why I was able to just jump off the Suboxone this week. I really don't think it was the PCP. Best guess: act of God :).
 
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Just because I’m curious. Your username ‘Sedgwick’.... is it related to the disability management company in the USA?
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Nah. I friend of mine from high school called me Sedgewick (maybe because my IRL first name and 1st character of my last name is in there). LOL.
 
sedgewick1 said:
Hey man, I've read a lot of your posts! You go way way back on this thread. Hope you're doing ok. Curious: you've never tried getting on Suboxone?

So yeah PCP has a really bad rap. I'd say most people who've done it get it as angel dust on dipped cigarets (sherms) and they have no idea how much they're taking and they become crazy mad (like me who was even trying to carefully measure it). The dosage response curve for PCP is hugely steep. For example, when I had pure PCP liquid in college we used to measure it out in micro liters with a pipette. 2 micro liters (which is almost nothing) was a very nice controlled dose which gave a huge mood lift with a lot of creative energy. But, you start getting into even something as small as the 6-8 micro liter range (again almost nothing) and above you begin to get into loss of control territory and blackouts.

Yeah, so called "experts" really have no clue. Unless you've actually tried it you have no clue. Dissociatives (PCP, Ketamine and the like) have such a huge potential for good (treating depression, WDs and much more). But they're so tricky to administer it's just not possible for the uninitiated to use properly. I've tried Ketamine infusion (at $500+ for a session feggatabout it), Now the Ketamine nasal spray is starting to get prescribed for depression so maybe some headway is getting made.

In my experience dissociatives can help a lot to ease opiate WDs, but its not a cure. I have no idea why I was able to just jump off the Suboxone this week. I really don't think it was the PCP. Best guess: act of God :).
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I would need to tell my Dr. to stop prescribing my oxy and I really didn’t want that. Also.... the goal for me is either to stay on pain killers or to stop needing them. Suboxone kind of makes my situation worse: still need a prescription every month but not getting any pain relief or “fun” from it. And wd’s from suboxone last a lot longer than my oxy.

Ultimately I’m exactly where I wanted not to be. Dr is cutting me back to very little oxy every month. I’m still running out. I’m really not able to get ‘high’ anymore from my pills. AND I’m still in pain from my surgeries, every day. Subs just sounds like a bandaid on a broken bone. Maybe in a year or two, if I haven’t found a better solution I’ll change my mind. Who knows.
 
sedgewick1 said:
So yeah PCP has a really bad rap. I'd say most people who've done it get it as angel dust on dipped cigarets (sherms) and they have no idea how much they're taking and they become crazy mad (like me who was even trying to carefully measure it).
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There is an artist named Christ Bearer from a rap band/group called ‘Wu Tang Clan’. He’s a black man in the USA. In 2014 he had a revelation while on PCP that his problems in life (i.e. three children by 3 different women and paying loads of child support for all if them) could be traced directly back to his “9 inches”.

He was high as hell, at home with a few friends in the house, and in the kitchen by himself when the whole idea passed through his mind that the solution was to cut off his penis. So he grabbed a pair of scissors and amputated it. Then he jumped off his balcony (2nd floor) and landed in some bushes in an attempt to commit suicide.

He lived but he doctors were not able to reattach his manhood. He believes to this day that it was the right thing to do and he is truly at peace with the ‘new direction’ his life has taken. (He also acknowledges that it was crazy and stupid).

Clearly the move towards the drawer with the scissors was a mistake but there’s no doubt that PCP gave him a revelation that he wasn’t able to achieve in any other way. It has a bad rap for a good reason. Seems though that it could be incredibly helpful if used with supervision.
 
Squeaky said:
Clearly the move towards the drawer with the scissors was a mistake but there’s no doubt that PCP gave him a revelation that he wasn’t able to achieve in any other way. It has a bad rap for a good reason. Seems though that it could be incredibly helpful if used with supervision.
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Yeah PCP is tricky stuff. I've used it for years, very carefully dosed, with a lot of good. You can feel so alert and in the moment its amazing. But even I succumbed to the belief I could control higher doses. You start doing crazy stuff, blacking out and doing crazy stuff and it gets real bad fast. Sounds like this Christ Bearer fellow got more of a permanent psychosis rather than revelation which doesn't surprise me. I can't handle it anymore so I dumped all my PCP and ketamine. Ketamine is related to PCP but kind of its own thing, Maybe K is a safer alternative, but there's a whole thread stickied here about what it can do to your bladder.

Anyways, as to your previous post, I feel you on the chronic pain. It kinda sucks opiates are about the only place you can turn for relief. Tolerance builds up and you need more and more, but the doctors just want to cut you off. The world seems so fucking clueless at times. Yeah the Suboxone doesn't have much of a pain relief component. You can have a tiny bit of "fun" if taken every once in a while, but definitely no fun as an every day thing.
 
Squeaky said:
I would need to tell my Dr. to stop prescribing my oxy and I really didn’t want that. Also.... the goal for me is either to stay on pain killers or to stop needing them. Suboxone kind of makes my situation worse: still need a prescription every month but not getting any pain relief or “fun” from it. And wd’s from suboxone last a lot longer than my oxy.

Ultimately I’m exactly where I wanted not to be. Dr is cutting me back to very little oxy every month. I’m still running out. I’m really not able to get ‘high’ anymore from my pills. AND I’m still in pain from my surgeries, every day. Subs just sounds like a bandaid on a broken bone. Maybe in a year or two, if I haven’t found a better solution I’ll change my mind. Who knows.
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Buprenorphine is an excellent pain killer in patch form, it takes a week to kick in properly, but if all you wanted was pain relief with no real high, then slow release bupe is that med.

I think some pods will help me get off my ass and do what I need to do in the next three weeks, there's no motivation in these other meds and I feel like I've wasted these last weeks trying to change my own behaviour, focussing on my own addictions, however I need to DO things and the low feeling needs to go away for a while while I get moving.
 
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